SmoggyTwinkles
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The awesome thing is he vetoe's the Calgary trade, wins a cup with the Av's, then signs a monster contract with Calgary.
Not bad Kadri, not bad!
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Not bad Kadri, not bad!
Rare Jewel
Patience
Well, this thread is going about how I figured...
What I would say is that this whole Kadri hurt the team thing, while not incorrect, seemingly fails to acknowledge that no one else had the balls to do anything against Boston, so instead of playing tough as a team, it just manifested as an explosive and bad hit made out of frustration in 2018.
The fact that management didn't realize this address was another mark against them for failing to realize the causality of the first event.
What I would say is that this whole Kadri hurt the team thing, while not incorrect, seemingly fails to acknowledge that no one else had the balls to do anything against Boston, so instead of playing tough as a team, it just manifested as an explosive and bad hit made out of frustration in 2018.
The fact that management didn't realize this address was another mark against them for failing to realize the causality of the first event.
Voodoo Child
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Eh...
We did come out on the short end of that trade, both due to Kadri and Dubas, and he did go on to win a Cup.
But would you want to be paying him 7 until he's 39? I wouldn't.
Likewise it sucks that his wife was due at the time, but he had the resources to hire cross-country movers and fly his wife and newborn baby private to Colorado.
It could have been handled better on either side but it's not really an issue, I still with him success.
We did come out on the short end of that trade, both due to Kadri and Dubas, and he did go on to win a Cup.
But would you want to be paying him 7 until he's 39? I wouldn't.
Likewise it sucks that his wife was due at the time, but he had the resources to hire cross-country movers and fly his wife and newborn baby private to Colorado.
It could have been handled better on either side but it's not really an issue, I still with him success.
There are options between doing nothing and cross-checking someone in the face.
They've added "tough guys" every year...
HockeyVirus
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Not to interrupt the Dubas hate, but isn't it possible he regrets how he handled that and was still pretty new as a GM when that happened? I would be surprised if Dubas today handled it the same as 2nd year as a GM with market pressure to make big changes Dubas.
Rare Jewel
Patience
Yeah, one guy, though, and the rest of the team is getting bullied...
Who were these "tough guys?"
Simmonds and Clifford both were on the team for multiple years.
Who was going to fight Debrusk? He doesn't fight, so the answer is no one.
There are ways to react to dirty plays or getting bullied, and cross-checking someone in the face is likely the dumbest.
Kadri got suspended because he is a hothead, he should have just forced him to fight if he thought it was the answer.
Kadri being upset is understandable, and I think the suspension was over the top, those are all things I agree with, but he still is the reason he got suspended.
therealkoho
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Yeah true I suppose, but even with that hindsight he still had the balls to ask for 5m per supposedly, lie bald faced to the media, play the crying game regarding his poor poor wife and lil chillun,as the hard done by guy, and then trot off to Pittsburgh forgetting about the wife and kidd, meanwhile poaching a couple of guys in the process, lord knows what he told them he could do for them as team prez?
He'd also been getting suspended since 2013, and continued to get suspended in the playoffs in Colorado. People trying to pretend like it's a team composition thing is hilarious.
therealkoho
Him/Leaf/fan
Yes they have, but for those that knew the answer was team toughness meant more then just having a Sherman tank in the lineup As was stated over and over again.
Instead we get Denis Malgin, Tyson Barrie and a host of others who have turtle in their 23 and me!
The answer to our scoring problems every playoff is team toughness? Nope.
You also left off Lub, Muzzin, McCabe, ROR, Acciari, Clifford, Simmonds, Foligno, etc
Rare Jewel
Patience
And, which one of those guys was there in the 2019 series against Boston?
It's not about fighting; it's about general play. There's a heightened level of aggressivity in the playoffs (particularly against the Bruins) that KD couldn't get his head around.
therealkoho
Him/Leaf/fan
If and it's a big one, if we bang their primary scoring harder than they bang ours it should follow that they will eventually lose the will to play through the gauntlet and get to the middle of the ice, which allows us access to theirs.
But and it's also a big one it has to start at the top. Even the mice need to kick the elephant in the shins however many times it takes to make the elephant think it just isn't worth the pain
100% agree, it is why the toughest teams always win... oh wait, that's not true.
Bruins were not the tougher team or more aggressive last year and they beat us...
Do you think hitting someone is supposed to deter them from playing?
The physical players we acquired wouldn't be playing against top players, let alone catching up to them and hitting them.
therealkoho
Him/Leaf/fan
Last I looked Marchand Pasta and whoever has been the centre have been absolute killers, same with Tampa and Florida's top lines. They have all outscored their individual opposition, not because they're extraordinarily skilled or nice it's because they hammer, grind and out dirty the opponent.
So yeah hitting is a deterrent.
Ron Murphy once told me that the Hodge Esposito, Murphy line scored not just because they at that time were not only the biggest line in the NHL but also willing at all times to do whatever they had to do to make space for themselves. They also got crazier and close to unstoppable when Cashman was substituted in for Murph.
Hockey has always been a game of intimidation and skill, in that order
Ya, I am not concerned with what an NHL player said in the 60's about today's game.
