Contract Termination: [DET] Red Wings terminate contract of F Filip Zadina

[notsocommonsense]

Still, he is young with a high drafting pedigree, stunning

He’ll be 24 early this coming season. That’s not really young for a guy who hasn’t shown anything to this date. I’m not surprised nobody wants to take a chance on him at that 2.7 cap hit next year, though I thought Chicago might.

 

[mouser]

he's actually more tradable now that he cleared.
Still unlikely, but who knows

Clearing waivers didn't change anything for Zadina.

 

[YP44]

He’ll be 24 early this coming season. That’s not really young for a guy who hasn’t shown anything to this date. I’m not surprised nobody wants to take a chance on him at that 2.7 cap hit next year, though I thought Chicago might.

cap friendly has his cap hit at 1.825

 

[Ezekial]

This is what Yzerman took over.

Roster 2018
8 Justin Abdelkader
72 Andreas Athanasiou
45 Jonathan Bernier
59 Tyler Bertuzzi
74 Madison Bowey
84 Jake Chelios
21 Dennis Cholowski
83 Trevor Daley
61 Jacob de La Rose
65 Danny DeKeyser
70 Christoffer Ehn
52 Jonathan Ericsson
42 Martin Frk
36 Kaden Fulcher
41 Luke Glendening
25 Mike Green
43 Darren Helm
2 Joe Hicketts
53 Taro Hirose
35 Jimmy Howard
17 Filip Hronek
3 Nick Jensen
55 Niklas Kronwall
56 Ryan Kuffner
71 Dylan Larkin
32 Brian Lashoff
39 Anthony Mantha
20 Dylan McIlrath
22 Wade Megan
51 Frans Nielsen
14 Gustav Nyquist
54 Matt Puempel
27 Michael Rasmussen
47 Libor Sulak
23 Dominic Turgeon
26 Thomas Vanek
28 Luke Witkowski
11 Filip Zadina

Top Prospects 2018
Joe Veleno
Filip Zadina
Jared McIsaac
Dennis Cholowski
Filip Larsson
Jonatan Berggren
Taro Hirose
Yevgeni Svechnikov
Axel Holmström
Michael Rasmussen

If you don't think he made meaningful directional changes then reevaluate your expectations because they are unrealistic.

Christ, I watched that team play like 70 games and I can't believe that's the roster.

 

[McGarnagle]

Is he that much of a bust that nobody wants him at 1.8?

 

[notsocommonsense]

cap friendly has his cap hit at 1.825

Ah, thk you, my mistake. You’re correct, it’s 2.7 real dollars next year.

I suspect teams would be willing to take a chance on him if not for that 2nd year

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

Honestly, it's going to take longer than Pre Detroit return Yzerman fans expected. Barring his RW scouting staff finding a Kucherov, Point, Cirelli in the 2-3 rounds of the draft like they did for him in TB, he's basically starting from scratch in Detroit. Those 3 prior seasons where the Holland Wings missed the PO from 2017-2019 seasons, there's virtually nothing that will be on the Wing's roster when they finally do return to the PO. It's going to be Larkin and maybe 1 or 2 other guys at most.

At some point in 2024 or 2025 off-season, I do expect Yzerman has to pull off a big trade to get 1 or 2 higher end players. I doubt he can just sit and just wait and hope that all of the prospects develop. After 5/6 seasons at the helm and 6/7 drafts under his belt by then, that should be expected that the Wings get back into the PO under his watch.

Maybe. But from the outside, people see mid-term signings/trade like Holl, Chariot/Husso/Compher and see some meh players. No question in some positions like Seider, and Raymond and picks like Edvinsson there is talent but Stevie Y looks like he's spinning his wheels a bit from the outside.

He seems like not 100% in on veteran roster and trying to compete now and not really committed 100% to building a young roster.

 

[Ezekial]

Maybe. But from the outside, people see mid-term signings/trade like Holl, Chariot/Husso/Compher and see some meh players. No question in some positions like Seider, and Raymond and picks like Edvinsson there is talent but Stevie Y looks like he's spinning his wheels a bit from the outside.

He seems like not 100% in on veteran roster and trying to compete now and not really committed 100% to building a young roster.

He's building a young roster, he's just not putting 9 19-20 year olds on the roster at once. Edvinsson, Mazur, Lombardi, Kasper, Danielson, ASP, AlJo, and Wallinder will all progress into the roster over the next 3 seasons at their own pace and be given a chance. We have a lot of roster turnover coming and a lot of flexibility.

 

[StreetHawk]

Maybe. But from the outside, people see mid-term signings/trade like Holl, Chariot/Husso/Compher and see some meh players. No question in some positions like Seider, and Raymond and picks like Edvinsson there is talent but Stevie Y looks like he's spinning his wheels a bit from the outside.

He seems like not 100% in on veteran roster and trying to compete now and not really committed 100% to building a young roster.

He's punting virtually all of Holland's draft picks. Opted to not keep late 20's guys in Mantha, Bertuzzi, Hronek. So, his youngsters are really Raymond and Seider right now. Is Raymond going to be an elite Pasta, Kuch, Kane type of winger or is he a notch below more in the Debrincat range?

With all of the players Yzerman has signed, does not appear that he is betting on many of his other 2019 or 2020 draft picks to crack the Red Wings roster in 23/24. Probably got an evaluation of how those kids have progressed over the past 3-4 seasons and thus made the moves he has so far this off-season. So, don't know how young you expect the Wings to go this season. 20 year old Evindsson and 19 year old Kasper?

 

[PullHard]

So, don't know how young you expect the Wings to go this season. 20 year old Evindsson and 19 year old Kasper?

They very likely won't make the team unless they have an outstanding camp, which Yzerman noted was the case for Lucas Raymond two years ago. They had been planning for him to be in the AHL but he was electric at camp and played beside Bertuzzi and Larkin for basically the entire season.

Edvinsson and Kasper will get games, even if they don't make it out of camp. It seems like Yzerman is trying to raise the barrier to entry slightly each offseason with the quality/quantity of 4th liners and 6/7 D increasing.

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

Clearing waivers didn't change anything for Zadina.

what about his emotional state?

he probably saw that he was put on waivers yesterday and thought oh someone else will surely take me and i can be free and then today he sees this

must be hard on him

 

[bossram]

Oh... So your criticism was that we made no considerable improvement but when I point out a 35 point improvement since Yzerman took over, you're arguing that we should've continued tanking?

Doesn't seem contradictory at all.

No. You are misrepresenting what I said. I didn't say that they didn't improve in the standings. I said Yzerman hasn't meaningfully changed the direction of the team. They still don't have a credible path to becoming a contender, or consistent playoff team at the least.

Someone has to play. You think these guys he signed are that good?

No. They're mid. That's the problem.

Yzerman's raised the floor of the team to mediocre, but they're still not a legit playoff team. They're locked into the mushy middle, and that's the worst place to be.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Is he that much of a bust that nobody wants him at 1.8?

I'm surprised nobody claimed him. Not reaching expectations but untapped potential is there.

what about his emotional state?

he probably saw that he was put on waivers yesterday and thought oh someone else will surely take me and i can be free and then today he sees this

must be hard on him

Maybe it's the kick in the ass he needed?

 

[Ciao]

. . . He seems like not 100% in on veteran roster and trying to compete now and not really committed 100% to building a young roster.

I like that approach.

Patience, and building piece-by-piece for both the present and the future.

I don't think Detroit is too far away from being a contender.

 

[PullHard]

No. You are misrepresenting what I said. I didn't say that they didn't improve in the standings. I said Yzerman hasn't meaningfully changed the direction of the team. They still don't have a credible path to becoming a contender, or consistent playoff team at the least.

No. They're mid. That's the problem.

Yzerman's raised the floor of the team to mediocre, but they're still not a legit playoff team. They're locked into the mushy middle, and that's the worst place to be.

So far only two of his first round picks have made the team, and they both competed for (and Seider won) the Calder trophy

He isn't making the team "fake good" or "good too early" by acquiring late 20s/ early 30s trade targets. IMO as a Wings fan, although I personally don't agree with players like Chiarot or Holl ever playing for my team just based on their overall game, Yzerman is trying (and doing a solid job) to straddle the line between making the team harder to play against/ more competitive on a day to day basis, while not falsely improving the team. If the team is going to actually be good, its because the prospects are making the team and hitting or surpassing their ceilings. He is not in a rush to shortcut this process up to this point in time. I'd say the best players he has acquired in UFA & trade since being here are Perron, Fabbri, Copp, Husso (?) off the top of my head. We will see if he does finally change that and trade for a guy like DeBrincat or Lindholm or someone like that. I'm not sure this is the offseason for it quite yet, but maybe the front office does.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Clearing waivers didn't change anything for Zadina.

Means the team that gets him can send him down at the start of the season without waivers and potentially losing him if another team has some injuries ?

I'm not sure how waivers in the off-season works, hence the question mark, but during the season if a player clears it makes them more valuable, so worth a 7th.

 

[bossram]

So far only two of his first round picks have made the team, and they both competed for (and Seider won) the Calder trophy

He isn't making the team "fake good" or "good too early" by acquiring late 20s/ early 30s trade targets. IMO as a Wings fan, although I personally don't agree with players like Chiarot or Holl ever playing for my team just based on their overall game, Yzerman is trying (and doing a solid job) to straddle the line between making the team harder to play against/ more competitive on a day to day basis, while not falsely improving the team. If the team is going to actually be good, its because the prospects are making the team and hitting or surpassing their ceilings. He is not in a rush to shortcut this process up to this point in time. I'd say the best players he has acquired in UFA & trade since being here are Perron, Fabbri, Copp, Husso (?) off the top of my head. We will see if he does finally change that and trade for a guy like DeBrincat or Lindholm or someone like that. I'm not sure this is the offseason for it quite yet, but maybe the front office does.

I don't think the team is "fake good" or "good too early". I don't think they're good. I think they're mediocre, which is the worst place to be in the NHL. And it seems like Yzerman's goal the last two offseasons was to raise their floor from "bad" to "mediocre" and that strikes me as a poor philosophy.

 

[dugg133]

Kinda shocked a bottom feeder didn't claim him just to see what a change of scenery could do for him. Still pretty young, pretty cheap, and only signed for 1 more year if he stinks.

 

[mouser]

Means the team that gets him can send him down at the start of the season without waivers and potentially losing him if another team has some injuries ?

I'm not sure how waivers in the off-season works, hence the question mark, but during the season if a player clears it makes them more valuable, so worth a 7th.

Nope. The playing season waiver period doesn't start until 12 days before opening day. Would have to go on waivers again before being sent to the AHL.

 

[PullHard]

I don't think the team is "fake good" or "good too early". I don't think they're good. I think they're mediocre, which is the worst place to be in the NHL. And it seems like Yzerman's goal the last two offseasons was to raise their floor from "bad" to "mediocre" and that strikes me as a poor philosophy.

There are Wings fans who agree with you and want to be putrid and bottom out until we get a McDavid, Matthews, Bedard kinda guy. Yzerman came and in and through a combo of Holland leaving the thing in pieces and some final layers being removed, the team was atrocious for a couple years. The highest we drafted under those lottery settings was 4th overall, and removing our "in a vacuum" opinion about how to best acquire talent during a rebuild, the ownership/ front office decided to slowly level up the depth to at least be a team that shows up most nights, even if the record is still lacking. I don't necessarily disagree with you on the approach as a whole, but I understand why an owner or GM might think it is unwise to stay in the bottom couple spots in the standings for more than a year or two. Players eventually want out and UFAs get increasingly harder to convince to sign.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Nope. The playing season waiver period doesn't start until 12 days before opening day. Would have to go on waivers again before being sent to the AHL.

Then you're correct this does jack shit except show him no one wants him for free.

Poor Filip

 

[SoupNazi]

what about his emotional state?

he probably saw that he was put on waivers yesterday and thought oh someone else will surely take me and i can be free and then today he sees this

must be hard on him

If I was earning the money he is, I'd live.

 

[ZDH]

No. You are misrepresenting what I said. I didn't say that they didn't improve in the standings. I said Yzerman hasn't meaningfully changed the direction of the team. They still don't have a credible path to becoming a contender, or consistent playoff team at the least.

No. They're mid. That's the problem.

Yzerman's raised the floor of the team to mediocre, but they're still not a legit playoff team. They're locked into the mushy middle, and that's the worst place to be.

You would do well to look at what Steve was handed by Holland. Since then, the direction of the team has absolutely changed.

Seider is a slam dunk top pairing monster. He's the closest thing to Pronger since Pronger. That alone changed the direction of this franchise big time essentially overnight. Then you throw Edvinsson, another monster #1 blueliner, into the mix and you're cooking with dynamite. Adding ASP and Wallinder make for one of the best, if not the best, defenses in the entire league down the line.

Then you add Raymond, a top line winger, and solved the center issue in 2 drafts with Kasper and Danielson. Two incredibly difficult players to play against (ask Bedard). Kasper is criminally underrated around here but I digress. I can go on and on too those are just the bigger highlights.

To say Yzerman hasn't changed the direction of this team is a joke, it's practically 180'd since Holland left - the future is very bright in Detroit and it's all thanks to Stevie and co.

 

[bossram]

You would do well to look at what Steve was handed by Holland. Since then, the direction of the team has absolutely changed.

Seider is a slam dunk top pairing monster. He's the closest thing to Pronger since Pronger. That alone changed the direction of this franchise big time essentially overnight. Then you throw Edvinsson, another monster #1 blueliner, into the mix and you're cooking with dynamite. Adding ASP and Wallinder make for one of the best, if not the best, defenses in the entire league down the line.

Then you add Raymond, a top line winger, and solved the center issue in 2 drafts with Kasper and Danielson. Two incredibly difficult players to play against (ask Bedard). Kasper is criminally underrated around here but I digress. I can go on and on too those are just the bigger highlights.

To say Yzerman hasn't changed the direction of this team is a joke, it's practically 180'd since Holland left - the future is very bright in Detroit and it's all thanks to Stevie and co.

Your reasoning here is basically, "every prospect will hit their maximum ceiling".

That is not a good bet.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Retain 50% and Edmonton gives a 5th rounder.

Edmonton RW depth after Brown and Hyman is Ryan on the 4th and a rotation in the 3rd line spot. I’d be ok with Holland giving him a shot at the expense of a late round pick.