Despite major challanges, Kyle Dubas has passed the tests

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If that's what you hear you're listening to the wrong people. Most of the concern people have is that this is a very good team that may be wasting its opportunity.
I see you're new, welcome. I think you'll find for the most part people are pretty fair with their impressions here, minus a couple who see no wrong. They're more comedy relief than anything at this point. :laugh:
I think impressions here seem to be similar to Twitter IMO.
 
The media only ever reports on Leafs cap "Hell". Vegas and Minnesota..I can't recall ever seeing teams since the cap came in with this degree of cap troubles. If people bothered to study every team they'd see Leafs are better than vast majority of the NHl in terms of cap. Leafs are really set-up great to sign everyone soon that they want to keep.
Yeah, it's kind of funny how we have Tampa doing LTIR manipulations and dumping their top matchup defensemen, Vegas doing LTIR manipulations and repeatedly screwing over their players and dumping them, Minnesota having over 42m in buyout charges over the next 3 years, etc., and yet somehow Toronto is the one in "cap hell" because we dare spend to the cap like pretty much every team in the league that isn't tanking for Bedard - only more appropriately and efficiently.
 
Yes, years later, after hitting waivers and UFA multiple times, Marchment has unexpectedly moved up from 25-year old AHL grinder to complimentary NHL depth. No GM in the league saw that coming, or they would have grabbed him on waivers. Sometimes players break out down the road in different situations. It's nothing to lose sleep over. That's hockey, and it happens to every team. What's most important is that GMs are making the correct decisions based on the available information at the time.
But when you defended the trade one reason was that we were going to lose him on waivers if we sent him back down
 
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But when you defended the trade one reason was that we were going to lose him on waivers if we sent him back down
I noted that he was about to be waiver eligible, and that was one of the ways that we could have lost him for nothing if we didn't make the trade.
 
There sure do seem to be some wild imaginations in this thread.

Yes, years later, after hitting waivers and UFA multiple times, Marchment has unexpectedly moved up from 25-year old AHL grinder to complimentary NHL depth. No GM in the league saw that coming, or they would have grabbed him on waivers. Sometimes players break out down the road in different situations. It's nothing to lose sleep over. That's hockey, and it happens to every team. What's most important is that GMs are making the correct decisions based on the available information at the time.

Tavares is an excellent player, he brings a lot of positive impact and fills an important role, and after not even just adding him but replacing departing players with him, we improved in most skater measures he'd impact and are now one of the best teams in the league. You can't just arbitrarily claim that the team lost playoff rounds, so X player you choose on the team is useless.
I don’t think he is useless, however he would have not put the Islanders over the hump just like he has not put us over the hump. What I do think is that he was absolutely the wrong move for Dubas to make. For me everything goes back to cap distribution and Tavares’s 11 million would be far better spent bolstering numerous other spots in the lineup including in net and defence.
 
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A contender is someone who competes for the stanley cup. Since the leafs signed tavares, leafs media has droned on about how they are now a contender. They have failed to beat another contender in a best of 7 every single season under dubas. He put the team against the cap immediately after getting the job. He chased out a reliable for a more expensive back up and his buddy’s from the soo (where he also never won anything). How could anyone think this guy did a good job?

Remember when his 11mill darling got hurt in the first game and he had no depth to replace him? Whats he gonna do if Matthews or Marner suffer an injury like that later next season? Depth wins championships not star power. No forward getting paid 10mill has player in the cup final in the cap era. Toronto has 3. All signed by dubas.
 
I don’t think he is useless, however he would have not put the Islanders over the hump just like he has not put us over the hump. What I do think is that he was absolutely the wrong move for Dubas to make. For me everything goes back to cap distribution and Tavares’s 11 million would be far better spent bolstering numerous other spots in the lineup including in net and defence.
You seem to think that just because the Leafs have not won a series in the playoffs yet (for reasons that really have nothing to do with Tavares), you can point to whatever player on the team you like, and suggest that they are incapable of improving a team. That is obviously incorrect, especially when the player in question has been a significant part of one of the best teams in the league.

Tavares' contract has not prevented us from building one of the best defensive teams in the league, and goaltending is not fixed by allocating significant money to it unless you have one of a handful of elite goalies - which like most teams in the league, we do not.
 
A contender is someone who competes for the stanley cup. Since the leafs signed tavares, leafs media has droned on about how they are now a contender. They have failed to beat another contender in a best of 7 every single season under dubas. He put the team against the cap immediately after getting the job. He chased out a reliable for a more expensive back up and his buddy’s from the soo (where he also never won anything). How could anyone think this guy did a good job?

Remember when his 11mill darling got hurt in the first game and he had no depth to replace him? Whats he gonna do if Matthews or Marner suffer an injury like that later next season? Depth wins championships not star power. No forward getting paid 10mill has player in the cup final in the cap era. Toronto has 3. All signed by dubas.
By your definition, teams that won rounds are better and closer to a cup than Toronto. Issue with this is, 3 of 4 teams that won multiple rounds in the 2021 playoffs proceeded to MISS the playoffs the following season.
Leafs look to once again be a top 5 team next season.
 
By your definition, teams that won rounds are better and closer to a cup than Toronto. Issue with this is, 3 of 4 teams that won multiple rounds in the 2021 playoffs proceeded to MISS the playoffs the following season.
Leafs look to once again be a top 5 team next season.
Teams that won rounds were certainly closer to the cup than Toronto! The islanders were 5 wins away! Montreal just 3! The leafs haven’t gotten past 13 in like 20 years. Why is this year with the same team any different?
 
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Teams that won rounds were certainly closer to the cup than Toronto! The islanders were 5 wins away! Montreal just 3! The leafs haven’t gotten past 13 in like 20 years. Why is this year with the same team any different?
They will make the playoffs unlike the Habs and Islanders?
 
Sure! If thats the goal then go for it! But habs and islanders realize they are not contenders any longer. Its gonna be painful for a long time for the leafs if they keep holding on to the core like they are the 2000s redwings.
I don't think Islanders realize that at all. They traded their 1st rounder and are trying to sign every UFA, including still in the mix for Kadri.
Leafs will be great and you must make the playoffs to play in the playoffs....
 
I used to defend Dubas no matter what, which is another reason I can't take the pro-Dubas side seriously when they don't back up their statements with solid support (because let's face it, the support doesn't exist, and as a result the discussion breaks down into personal insults and fights because that's all that's left to talk about, sound familiar? Yeah, it's the daily here).

I would sit there and see how to weasel my way into making Dubas come out of a situation looking promising and ensuring a happy ending to everyone willing to read.

I notice the posters who post with logic and try to keep out emotion and biases and don't have a "gang" on this website with friends they need to appease have all abandoned ship on Dubas. Yes I'm a new account myself but I have seen an odd number of even newer accounts come out of no where. Seems like the pro-dubas side might be stifled to the point they need burner accounts just to say what they really think.

I'm not saying that to diss Dubas. It's just frustrating loving this team so much and having to face reality that we have this inexperienced GM throwing cup winning seasons away. Objectively speaking there is more to suggest Dubas is bad for this team versus evidence he is good for this team. The true pro-Leaf is the one who saw the Leafs core and foundation and genuinely think they should have at least 2 cups right now and see how the inferior moves by the GM held them back from that. It's usually the case that you are upset with both the team and the GM. When people love the team (roster) but hate the GM that's usually a good indicator it's the GM. That's not sound logic but it's makes more sense than some of the pro-dubas support I see on a daily basis.


/rant over
Im in the same camp...liked Dubas but his shtick is getting a little tired these days and Im questioning his abilities to build something. As for those who must be realated to Dubas or work for the team whom will take every opportunity to be smug and cringy and to let everyone know they are above all the "simps" that one of them called anyone who didnt agree with their god like wisdom all I can say is thank god for ignore or I would be done with this site. Ive never felt so repelled by posters before on pretty much any site I have ever been on, and thats saying something.
 
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The true pro-Leaf is the one who saw the Leafs core and foundation and genuinely think they should have at least 2 cups right now and see how the inferior moves by the GM held them back from that.
Or at the very least a round. Not sure how you can look at the current team for ths season and think, "Yeah we should be a different playoff team now".
Waster years with all 3
 
I don't think Islanders realize that at all. They traded their 1st rounder and are trying to sign every UFA, including still in the mix for Kadri.
Leafs will be great and you must make the playoffs to play in the playoffs....
Agreed. Islanders made the playoffs three years in a row, winning at least one round each time, (and were only a goal or two away from the finals twice), and then a combination of factors, mostly not under their control, prevented them last year. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them squeak in again, with a team built for the playoffs.

Montreal was a one-and-done that got easy matchups until the finals.
 
Agreed. Islanders made the playoffs three years in a row, winning at least one round each time, (and were only a goal or two away from the finals twice), and then a combination of factors, mostly not under their control, prevented them last year. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them squeak in again, with a team built for the playoffs.
They made big runs in COVID years when it wasn't 82 games. I'd argue they are built for shorter seasons. They fired Trotz. he was the biggest reason for their success. It's over. That's a poorly built roster with little talent
 
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They made big runs in COVID years when it wasn't 82 games. I'd argue they are built for shorter seasons. They fired Trotz. he was the biggest reason for their success. It's over. That's a poorly built roster with little talent
I'm not so sure about that, but we'll see.
 
If that's what you hear you're listening to the wrong people. Most of the concern people have is that this is a very good team that may be wasting its opportunity.
I see you're new, welcome. I think you'll find for the most part people are pretty fair with their impressions here, minus a couple who see no wrong. They're more comedy relief than anything at this point. :laugh:
I have a sneaky suspicion it's another Dubas alt.
 
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So, are you saying that the Leafs should hire a better coach then? They have a boat load of money, so that can't be the excuse.
I think it's pretty clear that coaching was the reason for the Isles quick turnaround. Not the departure of one player. Especially one who was most likely a top 10 player at his position.

I dont really think Keefe has been the issue. If we can upgrade coaches, I'm all for it.
 
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One thing I always found really odd on this board is people hate Dubas for the 5 year deals but also despise the only stud who wanted his deal to be 8 years.
You're wild with your stud compliments, but maybe you're dead wrong about how fans feel about Rielly.
 
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I think it's pretty clear that coaching was the reason for the Isles quick turnaround. Not the departure of one player. Especially one who was most likely a top 10 player at his position.

I dont really think Keefe has been the issue. If we can upgrade coaches, I'm all for it.
I didn't say anything about the Isles success being due to Tavares departure. I'm just saying they had some playoff success and didn't seem to be impacted by his departure. There's several reasons for that, and coaching would be one of them.

Some Leaf fans have mentioned coaching with respect to the Isles, so I was wondering if Leaf fans thought that a change in coaching would help the Leafs be more successful.
 
But when you defended the trade one reason was that we were going to lose him on waivers if we sent him back down
He keeps saying that Marchment was useless, yet he is almost a sure lock to be picked on waivers ...because?....it can't be both. I just don't understand why Dekes has to defend every single thing Dubas does like his life depends on it.
 
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