Despite major challanges, Kyle Dubas has passed the tests

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That's fair but its surprising how well it turn out for NYI and their playoff success and the team that landed the superstar is the one now with the longest playoff round #1 drought.

But the league exec and others know why the Leafs are struggling with JT.

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Frank Seravalli
TSN Senior Hockey Reporter

THE SALARY CAP HELL BUCKET

Toronto Maple Leafs:
So long as the Big Four (Auston Matthews, John Tavares, Mitch Marner and William Nylander) account for nearly half ($40.4 million) of the frozen $81.5 million cap, filling in the gaps will be challenging.

The signing of Tavares seems to be at the forefront of all Leafs problems to ice a competitive playoff roster around the core 4.
Great cool I dont care. I was just saying its funny how things work out for the better..... Islanders fans were so upset even crying on video and now so happy Tavares left.
Why are you guys so defensive? I dont care if the Islanders have done better Im aware. I dont care about the Leafs cap I dont care I'm not here to gloat Im just saying its funny 3 or 4 years ago the world ended and now its like whew thank god we avoided that
 
You don't think it has anything to do with hiring arguably the best coach in the game who is known for his defensive structure as well as hiring arguably the best goalie coach in the game? There is a reason they went from being one of the worst defensive teams to being one of the best and I doubt it was because they subtracted a ppg 1C.
I absolutely do think those were factors.
 
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You don't think it has anything to do with hiring arguably the best coach in the game who is known for his defensive structure as well as hiring arguably the best goalie coach in the game? There is a reason they went from being one of the worst defensive teams to being one of the best and I doubt it was because they subtracted a ppg 1C.
Also because they had a group of defensemen in the organization (Pulock, Pelech, Toews, etc.) start hitting their prime and really breaking out.
 
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Back to back semi-finals is a pretty good run, don’t you think?
Sure, and maybe if they had a piece like Tavares, they could have squeaked out a win. I could understand how that would be tough for an Islander fan, especially when they're now facing a rocky future.
 
You don't think it has anything to do with hiring arguably the best coach in the game who is known for his defensive structure as well as hiring arguably the best goalie coach in the game? There is a reason they went from being one of the worst defensive teams to being one of the best and I doubt it was because they subtracted a ppg 1C.
His last season there he and his wingers were the three worst +/- forwards (combined -57).

The next season, those same two wingers were second and sixth best (combined +28).

But yes, Senile Lou hired a coach who was the right fit for the players.
 
Sure, and maybe if they had a piece like Tavares, they could have squeaked out a win. I could understand how that would be tough for an Islander fan, especially when they're now facing a rocky future.
Depends on how many other pieces they might have lost with tavares at 13 million

Maybe it doesnt matter
 
Sure, and maybe if they had a piece like Tavares, they could have squeaked out a win. I could understand how that would be tough for an Islander fan, especially when they're now facing a rocky future.
Maybe or maybe they wouldn’t have gotten that far. Impossible to know.

Yes, getting rid of Trotz was a bad decision and they’ll likely struggle, but they hit their ceiling and a pretty good run.
 
If Tavares is so awesome and would have helped the islanders over the hump why hasn’t he done that for us.

Sure, and maybe if they had a piece like Tavares, they could have squeaked out a win. I could understand how that would be tough for an Islander fan, especially when they're now facing a rocky future.
Not likely as he hasn’t done anything like that for us.
 
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I mean, at least you are consistent in your dislike of Tavares, Dubas etc.
My dislike is losing not Tavares. I don’t dislike Tavares but when another poster continually says he was what the islanders needed to put them over the hump I have to respond because as we all know he had years there and years here with no success. I have been consistent in saying that he was the last person this team needed at that time.
I do however blame Dubas for the mess he has made of the Leafs right now.
 
My dislike is losing not Tavares. I don’t dislike Tavares but when another poster continually says he was what the islanders needed to put them over the hump I have to respond because as we all know he had years there and years here with no success. I have been consistent in saying that he was the last person this team needed at that time.
I do however blame Dubas for the mess he has made of the Leafs right now.
The mess Dubas has made of the Leafs right now!!!

the Maple Leafs set franchise records in both wins (50) and points (106)

Ya. The team is not a mess. It’s one of the best versions the Leafs org has ever had. Enjoy this while it lasts.

Yes, we need more post season success, absolutely. But this idea that this team is a mess is misguided at best.
 
His last season there he and his wingers were the three worst +/- forwards (combined -57).

The next season, those same two wingers were second and sixth best (combined +28).

But yes, Senile Lou hired a coach who was the right fit for the players.
That may be the case but the team was garbage in 2017/18. They went from 31st in GA to 1st. Does it seem more likely that the reason for that is the reasons I mentioned or subtracting 1 player who is a PPG player and was a top 10 C in the league at the time?

What would his +/- have been if he had played in Trotz's system with Lehner having a .930sv% and Greiss having a .927 sv% ?

And yes Trotz was the perfect coach for that roster.
 
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That may be the case but the team was garbage in 2017/18. They went from 31st in GA to 1st. Does it seem more likely that the reason for that is the reasons I mentioned or subtracting 1 player who is a PPG player and was a top 10 C in the league at the time?

What would his +/- have been if he had played in Trotz's system with Lehner having a .930sv% and Greiss having a .927 sv% ?

And yes Trotz was the perfect coach for that roster.
You might think that a couple of players who were the worst under one coach would still be bad under another. Still among the worst on the team, even if the team was generally better.

But they went from the worst on the team to among the best.

The biggest difference along with the coach was them having Komarov instead of Tavares, and I doubt if Leo was the main cause for the change, since the biggest improvements were from Tavares' wingers.
 
The mess Dubas has made of the Leafs right now!!!

the Maple Leafs set franchise records in both wins (50) and points (106)

Ya. The team is not a mess. It’s one of the best versions the Leafs org has ever had. Enjoy this while it lasts.

Yes, we need more post season success, absolutely. But this idea that this team is a mess is misguided at best.
I hope I am wrong but let’s wait until we see the team with this years hi risk goalie tandem.
 
Apparently Dubas was possessed by the evil hitZz demons for simmonds foligno etc as well. Anything wrong he has done can be chalked up to not performing a simple exorcism beforehand.

Can't make this stuff up. Dubas can literally do no wrong here.
I’ve never seen a GM garner such blanket approval, it makes it impossible to even have an intelligent debate, like arguing with a cult. It’s just weird, I get do no wrong ”fans” of a team, but a freaking GM, that’s just bizarre to me.
 
I hope I am wrong but let’s wait until we see the team with this years hi risk goalie tandem.
Even if we this version of the team never succeeds in the playoffs, it wasn’t a mess. It was a very good team, with some star players, who could succeed when it matters. Buffalo has been a mess. Arizona is a mess. We are nothing like that. A mess is a perennially bottom of the league team.
 
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But you're not waiting. You just called the team a mess and you've been taking dumps all over the team for months now.
I know. It’s my frustration level getting the better of me. I’m just sick of losing and have yet to see anything out of Dubas that says things will be different this year just the same dabbling with the fringe players. One large gamble after another.
over the 4 decades I have been a Leaf fan I have had the multiple years and decades of blindly following them without question. I will not ever follow another team but I’m sure fed up with this group right now

Even if we this version of the team never succeeds in the playoffs, it wasn’t a mess. It was a very good team, with some star players, who could succeed when it matters. Buffalo has been a mess. Arizona is a mess. We are nothing like that. A mess is a perennially bottom of the league team.
Maybe mess is a bit to strong but they are far from successful and very good teams are measured by playoff success
 
I know. It’s my frustration level getting the better of me. I’m just sick of losing and have yet to see anything out of Dubas that says things will be different this year just the same dabbling with the fringe players. One large gamble after another.
over the 4 decades I have been a Leaf fan I have had the multiple years and decades of blindly following them without question. I will not ever follow another team but I’m sure fed up with this group right now


Maybe mess is a bit to strong but they are far from successful and very good teams are measured by playoff success
I think everyone here can agree on that. This team hasn’t had the success we want as fans. The differences between the fans, is how much time they are willing to give the current group to figure it out. (Players and mgmt) Some fans have it one or two playoffs and, some three or four and some still remain patient with the process. At some point, everyone involved in failing to reach goals will be accountable.
 
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