Despite major challanges, Kyle Dubas has passed the tests

[DarkKnight]

Most people continue to learn in their jobs. Dubas was mentored by Lou while AGM. Learning is an ongoing process, people who refuse to continue learning and changing become obsolete.

That’s self evident word salad that has nothing to do with my point. Green.

Nope, but that’s not on Dubas.

The coach sure as shit is….

 

[Leaf Fans]

That’s self evident word salad that has nothing to do with my point. Green.


The coach sure as shit is….

You don't know what word salad is.

 

[Nineteen67]

That’s self evident word salad that has nothing to do with my point. Green.


The coach sure as shit is….

And all of those assistants he just hired

 

[Ianturnedbull]

I'm talking about Nylander who wanted to commit to us for 8 years lol


I like how you're replying to the obvious burner account like it's real lol.

Yeah. He's not a "stud". Sorry.

 

[Havoc]

Yeah. He's not a "stud". Sorry.

Correct. Meant to say elite stud, not stud. Thanks for calling me out I won't make this mistake again.

 

[Stamkos4life]

You don't know what word salad is.

Obviously you have no clue what "word salad" is because half of your posts are just that.

 

[Stamkos4life]

Dubas has made mistakes, some fairly bad ones in hindsight and a few that seemed bad when they were made.

I can agree with all of that, but at the same time you also have to acknowledge all the good moves he has made, and he has made many fantastic moves that even his detractors can't ignore.

I think overall he has done a great job, and I'm excited to see how they do this coming season.

Results matter more than your biased perception.

I remember when dubas traded Kadri for barrie and kerfoot and all the dubas fan boys raved at how amazing of a trade it was. Turns out, they, just like dubas, were completely wrong.

It seems like most of kyles' moves get instant approval from his supporters despite the fact that the moves themselves are quite bad from the start. You shouldn't have needed hindsight to see how bad some of his moves are. If you do, then you are not very skilled at evaluating hockey.

You would think a gm who makes so many "fantastic" moves would have won at least a single playoff round after 4 years, especially when they inherited a 105 point team with matthews, marner and Nylander.

If dubas had inherited a bottom 5 team, like Lou lam when he came, and had zero success after 4 years, a lot less would be blamed on him.

How many more first round losses do you need before you accept that dubas sucks?

 

[andora]

Sometimes i wonder how good Dubas could be at signing players if we could afford to look in the 3 to 5 million dollar range

He has proven to be solid at getting low signing that can work..he has made some good picks.. i wonder what he could do with a bit more wiggle

 

[Leaf Fans]

Obviously you have no clue what "word salad" is because half of your posts are just that.

LoL. Which half?

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Correct. Meant to say elite stud, not stud. Thanks for calling me out I won't make this mistake again.

I am elite.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Dubas has done some good things but has made many mistakes as well. If the Leafs don't make it to the conference finals this year our management team should be overhauled.

 

[Dekes For Days]

No well-reasoned arguments;
Foligno trade, Was brutal and not well thought out.
Kadri trade, reaction.
Marleau debacle.
mrazek contract.
zero playoff success.
seems to have a gift for finding lower-seeded talent. But still, he has'nt had much responsibility for the careers of many players in this league.
Contracts and structure.
Tavares.
Goaltending, Dubas error and all on Dubas.
I know there are quite a few other reasons, and good reasons, for firing Dubas out the door but
this is like shooting a deer that is sleeping .... no value in picking on someone who is obviously drowning in his position.
His whole act reminds me of the petulant egominers that keep trying to change everything so they can play. The thing is ... they suck and know they suck at everything, so they call out the old white men's club theories.
in 10 years they will take the hitting out of the game to allow women to compete and allow Nylander a chance to get his own line to destroy the league???? Roflmao.
How is this guy not traded yet? Matthews doesn't want him on his line. The guy won't hit or backup anything except his favorite skin lotion. He hasn't tried to acclimatize to Tavares and continually gives up on pucks and wall work. Think Matthews said it all with his comment "it is just Willie being and doing Willie things".

You just vaguely referred to some stuff and gave no explanation or justification for why they were bad or how they were Dubas' fault, and then things went completely off the rails and you started talking about shooting deer, and "egominers", and "old white men's club theories", and then you had a whole passage of incorrect and inflammatory comments about Nylander. That's not a well-reasoned argument against Dubas, but thank you for proving my point.

This is hilarious:

Let's all laugh at the guy doing work at his job! He made a note on his page! That's basically furiously writing an essay!

(pay no attention to the guy behind Hextall doing the same thing)

 

[Nineteen67]

Dubas has done some good things but has made many mistakes as well. If the Leafs don't make it to the conference finals this year our management team should be overhauled.

Winning a round is likely enough to keep their jobs.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Winning a round is likely enough to keep their jobs.

That's a sad commentary on what's deemed acceptable here.

 

[Nineteen67]

That's a sad commentary on what's deemed acceptable here.

it’s progress. The trouble will be finding a team they can beat.

 

[Dreakmur]

Let's all laugh at the guy doing work at his job! He made a note on his page! That's basically furiously writing an essay!

(pay no attention to the guy behind Hextall doing the same thing)

I'm happy Spezza is taking his new job very seriously. No idea if he'll be good at it, but it appears that he's treating it with respect and not just a trophy position. It's very obviously a good thing that he's taking notes.

 

[Dreakmur]

You just vaguely referred to some stuff and gave no explanation or justification for why they were bad or how they were Dubas' fault, and then things went completely off the rails and you started talking about shooting deer, and "egominers", and "old white men's club theories", and then you had a whole passage of incorrect and inflammatory comments about Nylander. That's not a well-reasoned argument against Dubas, but thank you for proving my point.

The main argument is that Dubas still hasn't shown he's capable of constructing a complete team. He has yet to grasp the intangibles part of team building. Looking at his signings and trades each in a vacuum doesn't fully show their effect.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Was it really a good idea to have a guy “learn on the job”, who then hires a coach who is “learning on the job”. Man, if only this was school and not pro sport. All we do is piss away prime window years while all these green guys running the show figure it out. Insane really when you think about it.

I've wondered what Matthews thinks about the offseason moves that Dubas made this summer? For example, it would be interesting to know what he thinks about the goaltending acquisitions.

 

[leafsfan5]

it’s progress. The trouble will be finding a team they can beat.

They can beat anyone and lose to anyone, it's the Toronto Maple Leafs

We were a goal away from beating the b2b champs (also had a f***ing dive that was called and led to the Tampa 3-3 goal, I'm still bitter i don't care). But, we also blew a 3-1 lead to the 18th placed Montreal Canadiens

They just need to get it done

 

[Dekes For Days]

The main argument is that Dubas still hasn't shown he's capable of constructing a complete team. He has yet to grasp the intangibles part of team building. Looking at his signings and trades each in a vacuum doesn't fully show their effect.

We had one of the best teams in the league last year, so that argument doesn't really hold up.

 

[Bomber0104]

We had one of the best teams in the league last year, so that argument doesn't really hold up.

No, we really didn't.

The Leafs got beat in the first round of the playoffs for the 6th straight season which is an underaccomplishment no other team has acheived in NHL history.

So while they may have accomplished something in a regular season little way, they also accomplished something even more spectacular (negatively) in a post-season type of way...

Which fans actually care more about at the end of the day...

Yeah, slightly inconvenient for your whole angle on this, I guess?

What a shame..

Stop trying to shine turds so hard, you don't get paid enough as I see it..

Maybe one day people will care about the President's Trophy more than the Stanley Cup

 

[meefer]

I get it, and with 5 decades under my belt I'm if anything more frustrated than you. Only advice I can give is focus on the positive. Of course the playoff failures are the 1st thing that comes to mind with this team but we are still a top contender, we have a shot at winning it all this season so it's not all bad and there are positives to look at if you choose to do so.

IMO it's not a binary - Dubas good, or Dubas bad. The discussion here has become so polarized that it might seem that way but it's really not. On on hand it's his team now so he takes the blame but I guess he then also takes the credit for the teams successes in the regular season? That's nowhere near as important as the playoffs to me but it's not completely meaningless either. So why do we fail in the playoffs? Is it all on Dubas, or is it on the players as well? And if so, then which players are the ones to blame, now that's a tough one, at least for me.

I haven't posted much lately, discussion has become too polarized to be interesting. I can't wait for the games to begin, and I especially can't wait for the playoffs. I say this team has as good a chance as anyone else in the East to make the finals, that's my story and I'm sticking to it, at least until I have good reason not to.

The past does not dictate the future. It took the Red Sox 85 years but even they eventually broke through. This team can do it. GLG!!

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555 (in the Thai language 5 is pronounced 'ha') I'm closing in on my 6th decade of watching the Leafs...oh for those Cups in the '60s.

To the second bolded point, I'm in full agreement. It's not binary, and this place is toxically polarized, a problem, imho, largely created by the nature of online discussions.

Outside of Covid and it's impact on the cap, if asked I'd argue that the biggest problems the Leafs had to overcome was it's poor drafting from Burke onwards, the decision not to trade JVR/Bozak in 17/8, Marleau, the return for Kadri - not the decision to trade him - and the performance of our best players during the playoffs.

We have a very good, entertaining team. Will it succeed next year? I don't know, I hope so, but I won't go down a rabbit hole of angst worrying about something I can't control when I know the team then will not be the team it is today. Sometimes, you just have to wait and see.

 

[Dreakmur]

We had one of the best teams in the league last year, so that argument doesn't really hold up.

We fail in the playoffs over and over again… when our poor construction lets us down.

 

[LeafEgo]

We fail in the playoffs over and over again… when our poor construction lets us down.

We finish 9th-16th every year. Our core is young and developing so theoretically we should get better. But going into next season a fringe top 10 sounds fair.

We're starting to play mega millions with the goaltending though.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

Have we ever figured out what these tests are he’s supposedly passed?

GED maybe? LOL.