Despite major challanges, Kyle Dubas has passed the tests

[rocketman588]

Obviously take it with a massive grain of salt but the SDPN dudes were saying that Auston will most likely just keep signing for one or two years so he can get the most money possible like lebron kinda.

If that happens get ready for every off season to be stressful

Yes I know about trade protection. But Tavares last 2 years with the Islanders he had a modified NTC that allowed him to list 8 team no trade list.
Auston has a full NMC.

Willy has a modified no trade instead of nmc as well

 

[New User Name]

You can negotiate before July 1, you just can't officially sign until that day.

Thank you.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Yes I know about trade protection. But Tavares last 2 years with the Islanders he had a modified NTC that allowed him to list 8 team no trade list.
Auston has a full NMC.

Tavares had a NMC and modified NTC in his final 2 years, and he was a lot closer to a Nylander-tier player than a Matthews-tier player when he signed. Matthews having a NMC in his final year isn't unusual.

 

[keonsbitterness]

They literally should, especially when they're making a specific false claim that "Leafs have gotten worse every season under dubas" - which isn't true regardless of whether we're looking at regular season or playoffs.

But they literally don't.

It's a results business. A first round loss is a first round loss. We've gone sideways.

What are you even trying to say here?

What are you, a communist?

 

[notbias]

Clifford, Simmonds and Malgin are good depth options? At least 2 of them shouldn't be in the NHL

I am comparing this year to last, it is barely a downgrade with some time to go, that is all.

I think overall the team is very similar to last year. Slightly better D, slightly worse F depth, the same questionable goaltending.

 

[rocketman588]

But they literally don't.

It's a results business. A first round loss is a first round loss. We've gone sideways.

What are you, a communist?

I mean not like we've won the presidents trophy anyways so why should we feel accomplished.

When every playoff team in the East has over 100 points your point record is pretty devalued

 

[Dekes For Days]

But they literally don't.

Their mistake. If they want to be wrong, that's up to them, but that doesn't mean the rest of us need to be.

What are you, a communist?

Uh... what? Asking somebody to elaborate on a statement that didn't make sense makes them a communist...?

 

[Nineteen67]

There's nothing wrong with Nylander's effort level, and to claim he "doesn't try in the playoffs" is ridiculous.

Maybe he does try and just can’t do it. That’s possible.

 

[ToneDog]

Kyper bothered by Dubas quote telling players to come here for less and earn more money down the road.

Inflate your value here and leave.

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[Dekes For Days]

Maybe he does try and just can’t do it.

He tries and he does it. Nylander isn't a problem.

 

[colchar]

There is not just one, Nylander, Matthews, Tavares and Marner all have negotiated contracts which reduce the idea winning as a team. . They place their own standards of living over the success of the team. Win they will not until they temper their greed and worry more about team success than what boats and fancy cars they can buy. Too bad the league is so watered down.

Oh get over yourself.

They have every right to get as much money as they can. Do you go to your boss and insist that you take a pay cut for the good of your company? Nah, didn't think so.

 

[thewave]

Oh get over yourself.

They have every right to get as much money as they can. Do you go to your boss and insist that you take a pay cut for the good of your company? Nah, didn't think so.

He is right that the contracts represented a gonna get paid attitude. There were no deals for the team in any of those contracts. Not a single cent. I imagine that attitude will still be present when we go to re-sign.

 

[colchar]

Virtually everyone I know from the US that heard about bank seizures for supporting protests think we are unstable and I don't doubt that had something to do with Johnny G leaving Calgary.

What an unbelievable load of shite.

He is right that the contracts represented a gonna get paid attitude. There were no deals for the team in any of those contracts. Not a single cent. I imagine that attitude will still be present when we go to re-sign.

And they have every right to get as much as they can.

All of the morons complaining about that sure as shit ain't taking less salary themselves, they just expect that from others.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

We are less than 24 hours into free agency, and he's already failed.

Too bad there isn't three more months of offseason to address some of the concerns.

Oh well, still excited for the game tomorrow.

It seems like toronto and the doobz are running it back again with the same crew. He will not do anything *bold with his 4 forwards. I suppose he made a bold move with acquiring Murray, but I can't see him doing a lot more. If someone can magically invent cap space, or if Kyle can convince another GM to take on Holl/Kerfoot, I just can't see (in less than 24 hours into free agency) where he make improvements. The depth issues will have to go on a wing and a prayer that a few Marlies will step in and step up.


*some might argue that this acquisition was not bold. That it is more like "forced to do so" due to poor asset management, poor drafting/developing, and poor negotiations.

 

[Nineteen67]

He tries and he does it. Nylander isn't a problem.

He’s been part of the problem. They don’t get bounced out every year by accident.

 

[Dekes For Days]

He’s been part of the problem.

He's not though. He's an excellent player that adds a lot of value to this team. Players can bring value, even if they don't go around bashing people as much as you personally prefer.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

The real problem with Dubas and Shanny is that they still haven't learned from the Tavares concussion incident.

This team is constructed under thin margins for error. If any of MM, JT, and AM go down the whole machine will stop working.

At this point I can see toronto falling apart when secondary players go down:

If Kampf all of a sudden gets injured the forward depth will be exposed badly.

If Murray goes down to injury (there's a good chance he will be injured) we are left with Samsonov / Källgren to start.

The 115 point regular season positivity can only go so far. The likelihood of TOR going down in the 1st round is very real.

 

[Stephen]

Kyper bothered by Dubas quote telling players to come here for less and earn more money down the road.

Inflate your value here and leave.

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It’s a shit pitch long term because you don’t build that organizational culture, loyalty and love a la Draper McCarty, Maltby, and you get guys like Sandin making calculations about their careers short term instead of developing a long term view that they can build here with the organization.

 

[Stephen]

The real problem with Dubas and Shanny is that they still haven't learned from the Tavares concussion incident.

This team is constructed under thin margins for error. If any of MM, JT, and AM go down the whole machine will stop working.

At this point I can see toronto falling apart when secondary players go down:

If Kampf all of a sudden gets injured the forward depth will be exposed badly.

If Murray goes down to injury (there's a good chance he will be injured) we are left with Samsonov / Källgren to start.

The 115 point regulat season positivity can only go so far. The likelihood of TOR going down in the 1st round is very real.

I completely agree with the Tavares thing. It’s just a horrible luxury contract that causes everything else to be compromised on. You accept double digits for Matthews and Marner because they’re home grown and young superstars but JT is diminishing returns and the juice is not worth the squeeze everywhere else in the lineup.

Whatever happens, the organization will be so much more free to build once that contract has expired. It’s just treading water until then.

 

[thewave]

What an unbelievable load of shite.

You know there was a mini bank run and foreign accounts closed (Many U.S) as a result of those actions right.

And they have every right to get as much as they can.

All of the morons complaining about that sure as shit ain't taking less salary themselves, they just expect that from others.

Meanwhile the guys in Tampa actually publicly stated they took less to win. They won twice too. It worked unlike what has happened here so far.

 

[RoyalCitySlicker]

It seems like toronto and the doobz are running it back again with the same crew. He will not do anything *bold with his 4 forwards. I suppose he made a bold move with acquiring Murray, but I can't see him doing a lot more. If someone can magically invent cap space, or if Kyle can convince another GM to take on Holl/Kerfoot, I just can't see (in less than 24 hours into free agency) where he make improvements. The depth issues will have to go on a wing and a prayer that a few Marlies will step in and step up.


*some might argue that this acquisition was not bold. That it is more like "forced to do so" due to poor asset management, poor drafting/developing, and poor negotiations.

im not here to argue bold vs not bold.

just here to say that a lot *could* still happen before they take the ice in october. i'm not saying it will, just that it's too early to declare the offseason as a failure.

if this is all they do before october, i'll be pretty upset too! i just don't know what the rush is for people to be the first to proclaim how awful everything is.

on the other had, it's why we are all fans! no fun always waiting

 

[stealth1]

im not here to argue bold vs not bold.

just here to say that a lot *could* still happen before they take the ice in october. i'm not saying it will, just that it's too early to declare the offseason as a failure.

if this is all they do before october, i'll be pretty upset too! i just don't know what the rush is for people to be the first to proclaim how awful everything is.

on the other had, it's why we are all fans! no fun always waiting

They have no cap space to change much. Trading Kerfoot for space isn't going to make the team better either.

 

[Gary Nylund]

The 115 point regulat season positivity can only go so far. The likelihood of TOR going down in the 1st round is very real.

Currently the Leafs are given the second best chance of winning the cup after Colorado at 8-1. TB and FLA are 10-1, then CAR at 11-1, LV at 14-1, EDM at 16-1 and CAL at 18-1.

Those odds seem pretty reasonable to me. You can cry all you want to but the reality is that we have one of the best teams in the league.

 

[HandshakeLineRespect]

The constant roster churn is a liability at this point. The bargain bin shopping is an embarrassment. The Soo nepotism has gotten to a point where it seems Dubas is more interested in personal relationships than whats best for the organization. Him scoffing at a question about Barry Trottz being available and the fireable offence of acquiring Matt Murray at 4.7 are two prime examples. This regime has normalized the concept of an "own rental" when in reality this is just some of the worst asset management i've ever witnessed, the number of high end players that have walked for nothing the past couple years is criminal. The Tavares contract is an unmitigated disaster at this point. This team is staring down the possibility of losing Matthews 3 years earlier than necessary. Remember the good old days when we had Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Kapanen, Brown, Johnson, Moore on entry level deals and Kadri, Rielly, Hyman & Andersen on sweet heart deals? I do and what a lost opportunity. What sad times as a Leafs fan, another lost generation of fans. Dubas has dismembered one of the best opportunities the NHL has seen in a very long time.

 

[colchar]

You know there was a mini bank run and foreign accounts closed (Many U.S) as a result of those actions right.

Bollocks. I didn't see one word about that in the press. If you claim it happened, prove it.

Meanwhile the guys in Tampa actually publicly stated they took less to win. They won twice too. It worked unlike what has happened here so far.

And that is their choice. Not doing so does not make one greedy, especially if they could have gotten more money elsewhere (ie. Tavares).

Currently the Leafs are given the second best chance of winning the cup after Colorado at 8-1. TB and FLA are 10-1, then CAR at 11-1, LV at 14-1, EDM at 16-1 and CAL at 18-1.

Those odds seem pretty reasonable to me. You can cry all you want to but the reality is that we have one of the best teams in the league.

Wait, you think the odds are predictions?

The constant roster churn is a liability at this point.

Nah, Chicago did it every year when they were winning.