Despite major challanges, Kyle Dubas has passed the tests

[centipede2233]

Toronto needed to create a culture that Boston did with getting there stars to sign reasonable caphits. That’s why Boston has been competitive and in the mix year in and year out the last decade. Toronto thinks throwing max amount of money at its stars is the way, well it’s not. I already know how this train wreck is go8ng to go. Dubas and shanahan will eventually be fired. I also predicted Charlie montoyo would be fired at some point last year, so take my prediction as how you see it

 

[ToneDog]

I don't know if Dubas CAN negotiate a deal for Matthews to stay. Call it a hunch, but I've always thought Matthews always wanted to leave, especially since he only signed a 5 year deal. He's a warm weather boy, one of the best players in the league, and will get paid (as well as having cheaper taxes) no matter where he goes. Why would he want to stay in cold dreary Canada in the winter?

If he fails again in round #1, fire the Shananclan immediately after the handshake line finishes.

Hire new management team. If Matty refuses to sign July 1st, start shopping everybody for picks and prospects. Reload over the next two years and be ready to compete once JT is off the books. Resign JT for the minimum he will accept.

 

[saffronleaf]

Wouldn't be surprised if Ottawa finishes ahead of Toronto in the regular season. Ottawa would probably beat the Leafs in the playoffs too. I mean, which team wouldn't?

If he fails again in round #1, fire the Shananclan immediately after the handshake line finishes.

Hire new management team. If Matty refuses to sign July 1st, start shopping everybody for picks and prospects. Reload over the next two years and be ready to compete once JT is off the books. Resign JT for the minimum he will accept.

don't even let the handshake line finish. we saw this year how much pride they take in it. the loser shake is their stanley cup.

 

[A1LeafNation]

marner

Maner not getting results but the effort is there.

 

[centipede2233]

Wouldn't be surprised if Ottawa finishes ahead of Toronto in the regular season. Ottawa would probably beat the Leafs in the playoffs too. I mean, which team wouldn't?



don't even let the handshake line finish. we saw this year how much pride they take in it. the loser shake is their stanley cup.

The senators make the playoffs and the leafs don’t, thats a possibility

 

[Trapper]

If he fails again in round #1, fire the Shananclan immediately after the handshake line finishes.

Hire new management team. If Matty refuses to sign July 1st, start shopping everybody for picks and prospects. Reload over the next two years and be ready to compete once JT is off the books. Resign JT for the minimum he will accept.

Calgary just lost Gaudreau for nothing.
Take that as what could happen.
And we have Matthews/Nylander UFA at the same time. So far zero team success post season. They can easily play off each other at that time. That’s why I say move Nylander for a different core guy locked up at 6 x 6 and focus on Matthews. Don’t keep paying multiple forwards extreme dollars.
Matthews/Marner is plenty and balance.
Then D balance and goalie is a work in progress.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Calgary just lost Gaudreau for nothing.
Take that as what could happen.
And we have Matthews/Nylander UFA at the same time. So far zero team success post season. They can easily play off each other at that time. That’s why I say move Nylander for a different core guy locked up at 6 x 6 and focus on Matthews. Don’t keep paying multiple forwards extreme dollars.
Matthews/Marner is plenty and balance.
Then D balance and goalie is a work in progress.

This I'm on board with but Dubas wants to stick with things it seems

 

[ToneDog]

Calgary just lost Gaudreau for nothing.
Take that as what could happen.
And we have Matthews/Nylander UFA at the same time. So far zero team success post season. They can easily play off each other at that time. That’s why I say move Nylander for a different core guy locked up at 6 x 6 and focus on Matthews. Don’t keep paying multiple forwards extreme dollars.
Matthews/Marner is plenty and balance.
Then D balance and goalie is a work in progress.

Dubas is clearly gonna die on that hill. After the Murray trade, do you seriously want him trading Nylander ? I mean hasn't he done enough damage ??

 

[Leviathan899]

If he fails again in round #1, fire the Shananclan immediately after the handshake line finishes.

Hire new management team. If Matty refuses to sign July 1st, start shopping everybody for picks and prospects. Reload over the next two years and be ready to compete once JT is off the books. Resign JT for the minimum he will accept.

Dubas shouldn’t even have the luxury of being in the position to negotiate a contract with Matthews. I would be devastated to see 34 leave, but I sort of agree that most indications are that he’ll leave. So what he says in standard interviews how much playing in Toronto is great and fans are awesome, he wouldn’t say otherwise while under contract. Unless Bieber has that much influence on his decision to remain a leaf lol but I think unless we go on a deep run this season, he has his eye set in LA or NY. Both have a better future than Toronto

If he fails again in round #1, fire the Shananclan immediately after the handshake line finishes.

Hire new management team. If Matty refuses to sign July 1st, start shopping everybody for picks and prospects. Reload over the next two years and be ready to compete once JT is off the books. Resign JT for the minimum he will accept.

If the leafs are say a wildcard team but only 4-6 points ahead of the pack around Christmas time, do you fire them then? This is a team that should be contending at the top with the high end talent they have. I’m tired of the status quo and people justifying, twisting stats to fit a more positive narrative

 

[Leviathan899]

Calgary just lost Gaudreau for nothing.
Take that as what could happen.
And we have Matthews/Nylander UFA at the same time. So far zero team success post season. They can easily play off each other at that time. That’s why I say move Nylander for a different core guy locked up at 6 x 6 and focus on Matthews. Don’t keep paying multiple forwards extreme dollars.
Matthews/Marner is plenty and balance.
Then D balance and goalie is a work in progress.

I agree but I think a lot of our issues is our fan base online is massive and very loud, and they put their love for individual players above team success. Dubas doesn’t want to alienate a large chunk of the fan base so he just rides out the status quo. Nylander needs to be shopped for a similar level player that has term.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

If he fails again in round #1, fire the Shananclan immediately after the handshake line finishes.

Hire new management team. If Matty refuses to sign July 1st, start shopping everybody for picks and prospects. Reload over the next two years and be ready to compete once JT is off the books. Resign JT for the minimum he will accept.

Johnny G just took $2.5 million LESS than Calgary offered him to go back to the US.... In Columbus. Kinda lends credence to my theory.

 

[ToneDog]

Dubas shouldn’t even have the luxury of being in the position to negotiate a contract with Matthews. I would be devastated to see 34 leave, but I sort of agree that most indications are that he’ll leave. So what he says in standard interviews how much playing in Toronto is great and fans are awesome, he wouldn’t say otherwise while under contract. Unless Bieber has that much influence on his decision to remain a leaf lol but I think unless we go on a deep run this season, he has his eye set in LA or NY. Both have a better future than Toronto


If the leafs are say a wildcard team but only 4-6 points ahead of the pack around Christmas time, do you fire them then? This is a team that should be contending at the top with the high end talent they have. I’m tired of the status quo and people justifying, twisting stats to fit a more positive narrative

The hope is that teams see what the Eichel cap hit has done to Vegas. I'd worry about a team like the Ducks who I heard have $40m in cap space going into FA Frenzy.

I wouldn't mind a 3 way trade. Matty to Colorado, MacK to Edmonton, McDavid to Toronto

Johnny G just took $2.5 million LESS than Calgary offered him to go back to the US.... In Columbus. Kinda lends credence to my theory.

Yeah and he didn't even go back home. Sucks to be a Flames fan when Tkachuk leaves next year. No worries we are in good hands with Kid Kyle.

 

[Mr Papagoergyo]

Failure too many issues

 

[ToneDog]

Dubas shouldn’t even have the luxury of being in the position to negotiate a contract with Matthews. I would be devastated to see 34 leave, but I sort of agree that most indications are that he’ll leave. So what he says in standard interviews how much playing in Toronto is great and fans are awesome, he wouldn’t say otherwise while under contract. Unless Bieber has that much influence on his decision to remain a leaf lol but I think unless we go on a deep run this season, he has his eye set in LA or NY. Both have a better future than Toronto


If the leafs are say a wildcard team but only 4-6 points ahead of the pack around Christmas time, do you fire them then? This is a team that should be contending at the top with the high end talent they have. I’m tired of the status quo and people justifying, twisting stats to fit a more positive narrative

LOL. You are asking the wrong guy. Seriously if the goaltending is a tire fire and we are underperforming, you may want to bring in Trotz (if he is interested) first. If the are out of a playoff spot and it is looking like they miss the playoffs in March, all should be fired and you look for new management like the Habs did. And please do not hire rookies.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

The hope is that teams see what the Eichel cap hit has done to Vegas. I'd worry about a team like the Ducks who I heard have $40m in cap space going into FA Frenzy.

I wouldn't mind a 3 way trade. Matty to Colorado, MacK to Edmonton, McDavid to Toronto



Yeah and he didn't even go back home. Sucks to be a Flames fan when Tkachuk leaves next year. No worries we are in good hands with Kid Kyle.

It's about a 1 hour plane ride from C-BUS to NJ.

 

[Trapper]

I agree but I think a lot of our issues is our fan base online is massive and very loud, and they put their love for individual players above team success. Dubas doesn’t want to alienate a large chunk of the fan base so he just rides out the status quo. Nylander needs to be shopped for a similar level player that has term.

Muzzin and Nylander would be the core changes after 6 1st round exits.

Retool for UFA with Matthews/Marner/Rielly.

Matthews 13.4 mil?
Marner 12
Rielly 7.5
New core for Nylander 6x6
Wait for JT 11 off the books.

 

[saffronleaf]

Calgary just lost Gaudreau for nothing.
Take that as what could happen.
And we have Matthews/Nylander UFA at the same time. So far zero team success post season. They can easily play off each other at that time. That’s why I say move Nylander for a different core guy locked up at 6 x 6 and focus on Matthews. Don’t keep paying multiple forwards extreme dollars.
Matthews/Marner is plenty and balance.
Then D balance and goalie is a work in progress.

paying a soft winger who never shows up in elimination games that much is not balance. it's stupid. marner must go.

 

[New User Name]

It's like the 2020 draft. He picks Rodion Amirov, who I know is going through a rough time now (and I wish him all the best) and is a good player but I was hoping he'd pick the right shooting big Dman Braden Schneider who went to the Rangers 4 picks later. Our major weakness is D. Schneider actually played for Canada at the under 18, the WJC and last year at the world championships. He's played 43 games for the Rangers this past year picking up 11 points and 20 playoff games with 3 points, all while playing limited minutes. Of course he didn't play for the Greyhounds. lol

That's one of his many IMO questionable draft picks.

Wasn't he a failed players agent as well?

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[New User Name]

Johnny G just took $2.5 million LESS than Calgary offered him to go back to the US.... In Columbus. Kinda lends credence to my theory.

I really feel bad for Flames fans. They didn't deserve this shit. Yes, I know, it's his right to do but man.
I thought it was all about going home to NJ or Philly.

What makes it worse he took a huge discount too. God Bless the USA.

 

[saffronleaf]

The JT signing single handedly destroyed this entire iteration of the Leafs and nearly a generation of fans.

Can't see how we make it to the second around for as long as he's here. And by the time his never ending contract ends Matthews will be gone probably.

 

[deprw]

Toronto needed to create a culture that Boston did with getting there stars to sign reasonable caphits. That’s why Boston has been competitive and in the mix year in and year out the last decade. Toronto thinks throwing max amount of money at its stars is the way, well it’s not. I already know how this train wreck is go8ng to go. Dubas and shanahan will eventually be fired. I also predicted Charlie montoyo would be fired at some point last year, so take my prediction as how you see it

Please don't use Boston as an example. They're stars peaked after they signed their good contracts. That great contract Bergeron had was his fourth and before that he was 60 point 2-way center. Marchand signed as 60 point player and peaked season after that as 90 point player.

Mitch Marner scored 97 points last year of his ELC and Auston Matthews scored 40 goals his rookie season. It would have been beneficial to slow their process down, but unfortunately it's impossible.

Boston with those sweetheart contracts won zero cups, so even with perfect contract structure you may not succeed.

 

[saffronleaf]

Please don't use Boston as an example. They're stars peaked after they signed their good contracts. That great contract Bergeron had was his fourth and before that he was 60 point 2-way center. Marchand signed as 60 point player and peaked season after that as 90 point player.

Mitch Marner scored 97 points last year of his ELC and Auston Matthews scored 40 goals his rookie season. It would have been beneficial to slow their process down, but unfortunately it's impossible.

Boston with those sweetheart contracts won zero cups, so even with perfect contract structure you may not succeed.

no excuses. there is simply ZERO excuse for paying Marner even a single penny over the threshold for 4 1st overall picks in the event of an offersheet.

You happily take the picks and watch as the other team blows their cap and future on a soft complementary winger.

 

[deprw]

no excuses. there is simply ZERO excuse for paying Marner even a single penny over the threshold for 4 1st overall picks in the event of an offersheet.

You happily take the picks and watch as the other team blows their cap and future on a soft complementary winger.

We can argue about Marner contract and I'm not defending it. I just said that we can't compare Boston and Toronto and their culture, because the culture in Boston was based on very opportunistic timing for organization. Bergeron was paid properly based on his previous season and same with Marchand. They weren't overpaid or underpaid. Might have got 0.5 million more from open market, but greatness of those contracts came from those players finding whole another gear after signing those contracts.

If you're ELC players already score almost hundred points it's hard to argue that they should take 5 or 6 million, because of the culture and building it. It doesn't work like that and that's why Boston is terrible example for us.

 

[LeafEgo]

How does the UFA Gaudreau contract compare to the RFA Marner contract?

 

[colchar]

This thread's title provides humour every time I see it.