Despite major challanges, Kyle Dubas has passed the tests

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All management should have been fired

I laugh at all the posters giving dubas praise for what he has done.

He was gifted ma tthews marner and nylander. Signing Tavares wasn’t a great achievement, he wanted to sign with us.

He squandered our cap signing the same players he was gifted.

He should be fired for putting himself in a situation where your best player can become an unrestricted free agent after five years and to make it even more mind boggling giving him a no trade clause after the fourth year.

Look at our past. We make the playoffs with the great young forwards but our defense is shit. We fail in the playoffs. Make our defense better and then our forward depth suffers because we have to sign a bottom six all making 1 million dollars. We fail in the playoffs.

Look at our future. Again bottom six have to be signed at 1 million or less. That didn’t work before but hey let’s try it again. Our goaltending is in complete and utter disarray. We have to fix it but again with what money.

Look at next year not this year coming but the next. Matthews has to sign before that year or we stand a chance of losing him for nothing. What will willy want, he has proven to be greedy by actually sitting out games. He should have been traded for that but don’t get me started.
If bunting keeps improving how much is he going to cost.

Dubas is a terrible manager and should be fired, he is without a doubt one of the best evaluator of young talent in the league. Fire him as manager he is lousy, but give him a chance to succeed by using his strength of evaluation and give him the job of head scout.

Then maybe we can win a cup
Just to add, JT only came here because we had Matthews, Marner Reilly and Nylander, his greatest sales pitch was the players he was ”gifted” as you say. Dubas literally came into a dream job most GM’s would die for.
 
I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers, but over the past 3 seasons, Tavares-Nylander together at even strength in 1702:22 ice time is 102 for and 99 against, for a +3. So not outscored. And you're kind of leaving out the biggest reason that the differential is lower. Not a result of bad offense, or bad defense, but a result of a horrible 0.881 SV% behind them.

Tavares, in his time with the Leafs at even strength, is +34 while getting 0.896 goaltending, and Nylander in that same time frame is +11, while receiving 0.900 goaltending.
How do the defensive numbers break down for tavares nylander and whomever when compared.

Do they give up higher danger chances resulting in more goals
More breakaways or odd man rushes or slot shots etc... cant hold on to the puck in the o zone like the others do?

What contributes to the goalie being worse when they are on the ice
 
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I absolutely love how after their 6th straight first round exit I went on Twitter and the first thing I read from so called Leafs “fans” was that management firing Dubas and Keefe would be a colossal mistake. Just LOL
 
Shanny did say it was a 5yr plan that changes every day. This is what you get I guess.
Funny how Shanny and Dubie don't say much anymore , lol .

Dubas is a media ho and would love nothing more than to ramble on about his progressive out the box philosophies , unfortunately for him/us none of them have panned out and he and his boss are left to hide in some deep dark hole and try to get the fans to forget there the one's who are ruining what once was a bright future .
 
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can we say it's dying up when there was never a flow ?

Yup 16, 34, 88, 43, 31, and 44 were not enough for Dubas. Lou and Hunter didn't leave him enough blue chippers in the pipeline. So far Dubas' best pick to play is Sandin who he pretty much kicked to the curb when he signed Gio. The jury is out on the rest but Knies could be a keeper.
 
Marchment had 11 points in 37 career games before this season. He put up 47 in 58 as a 26 year old this year. Good for him, but he was never getting the opportunity here, and someone involved in a minor leaguer for a minor leaguer swap suddenly doing that isn't a reflection of the GM who traded him, it's a unicorn.
I think what gets most people upset is that we have a lack of bigger physical players that we developed. We have a guy that we were patient with until we weren't anymore. We keep talking about how great it would be if The Giraffe had some more punch to his game because he is a bigger guy. We had a guy who could have been at least a 4th liner and we traded him for Dennis Friggen Malgin. It's just crazy to me that you would give up on one of the few players of that type that we had. I think this season was an anomaly and there is almost no chance he gets almost a PPG ever again, so I wouldn't sign him...but we could have had a good 4th liner for next to nothing that we cultured and developed for free and we gave him away.
 
How do the defensive numbers break down for tavares nylander and whomever when compared.

Do they give up higher danger chances resulting in more goals
More breakaways or odd man rushes or slot shots etc... cant hold on to the puck in the o zone like the others do?

What contributes to the goalie being worse when they are on the ice
Good question.

Mike Kelly with sportlogic and the goalie guru from clear sight analytics give great insight into this type of stuff. The goalies don’t get bad, all of a sudden, when certain on the ice and it probably has something to do with they type of scoring chance they allow.

This is why I think it’s important for the Leafs to sign Campbell, because they know his strengths and weakness and can work on the defensive side to help him. And, they know they have a chance with him.

If they don’t re-sign him, they better make sure they know what they’re getting and know how to defend in front of him.
 
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Why 'should' he have been given an opportunity? We aren't a rebuilding team. We don't have time and opportunities for subpar prospects to be gifted opportunities that they haven't earned, and even his first opportunity was one that Keefe decided to reward him with even though he was awful to the start the year in the AHL.

He sucked in his first NHL audition where he couldn't even handle garbage 4th line minutes, went back down, was wildly inconsistent but had a bit of a heater with 9 points in 5 games which earned him one more game. He looked crap in that game too, even when he was given more ice time, and the Leafs had seen enough. Traded soon after that call up for a prospect who was 2 years younger and looked significantly better than he did at any point.

He wasn't good enough, and we certainly didn't need what he was bringing to the table. Even his physicality and garbage-goal scoring, which is the only value he really brought to the table, was wildly inconsistent. The Leafs and Keefe invested in him heavily, gave him every chance to succeed, and he actually made it decently far. There were better prospects who were given far less than he was given.
We gave Abruzzese 10 games or so. Did he do anything that screams NHL player to you? He didn't for me...but he still got the chance and it was more than 4 games. We have a lot of similar players to Abbruzzese and yet we gave him some serious rope. We needed a player like Mason and gave him a very brief look. This is what irks me.
 
It's just a constant shuffling of players on the cheap and some reclamation projects

Ritchie
Mrazek
Thornton
Simmonds
Vesey
Ho Sang
Malgin
Petan
Klimchuk
Carcone
Rosen
Riitich
Foligno
Harpur
Luckchuck
barrie
Clifford
Anderson
Galchenyuk
Nash
Hutton

I'm sure I'm forgetting some. Just keep the core and hope when you continue to bring in players, something will finally stick. Oh and don't worry about goaltending, we're stacked there
 
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I think what gets most people upset is that we have a lack of bigger physical players that we developed. We have a guy that we were patient with until we weren't anymore. We keep talking about how great it would be if The Giraffe had some more punch to his game because he is a bigger guy. We had a guy who could have been at least a 4th liner and we traded him for Dennis Friggen Malgin. It's just crazy to me that you would give up on one of the few players of that type that we had. I think this season was an anomaly and there is almost no chance he gets almost a PPG ever again, so I wouldn't sign him...but we could have had a good 4th liner for next to nothing that we cultured and developed for free and we gave him away.

Dubas can't resist a small, soft, skilled winger. Wonder if Shanny forced him to draft Knies?
 
How do the defensive numbers break down for tavares nylander and whomever when compared.

Do they give up higher danger chances resulting in more goals
More breakaways or odd man rushes or slot shots etc... cant hold on to the puck in the o zone like the others do?

What contributes to the goalie being worse when they are on the ice
Oh I am sure the bad save % has nothing to do with a slow as molasses Center and a winger who is not known for his defensive acumen. It was the goalies fault...always was...always will be.
 
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I think what gets most people upset is that we have a lack of bigger physical players that we developed. We have a guy that we were patient with until we weren't anymore. We keep talking about how great it would be if The Giraffe had some more punch to his game because he is a bigger guy. We had a guy who could have been at least a 4th liner and we traded him for Dennis Friggen Malgin. It's just crazy to me that you would give up on one of the few players of that type that we had. I think this season was an anomaly and there is almost no chance he gets almost a PPG ever again, so I wouldn't sign him...but we could have had a good 4th liner for next to nothing that we cultured and developed for free and we gave him away.
I didn't think much of Marchment when we had him and still don't think much of him now but you nailed it by asking why we traded him for Malgin . We're tits deep in small players but he keeps adding more every chance he gets , it's truly remarkable how obsessed he is with undersized players .
 
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He’s one of the best evaluators of young talent?

That is questionable for sure. He took over the draft in 2018 so it's still early but nobody he has drafted has made a serious impact yet. Leafs need guys to contribute on ELCs but its not happening. Hopefully Knies, Niemela, Robertson end up being those guys but the cupboard is pretty bare right now. Not sure why he gets so much praise for drafting. Plus he traded all of our 2022 draft picks in terrible trades.
 
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Over the past 3 seasons, Tavares-Nylander together at even strength in 1702:22 ice time is 102 for and 99 against, for a +3. So not outscored. And you're kind of leaving out the biggest reason that the differential is lower. Not a result of bad offense, or bad defense, but a result of a horrible 0.881 SV% behind them.

Tavares, in his time with the Leafs at even strength, is +34 while getting 0.896 goaltending, and Nylander in that same time frame is +11, while receiving 0.900 goaltending.
18M for +3 goal differential over 3 seasons isn't sound cap management IMO. I expanded the numbers year over year. Over the same time frame the Leafs have outscored opponents 344-277 with a .911 SV% with Nylander and Tavares not on the ice. I would venture to say that they have an effect on the goaltenders SV%.

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[TD]9:57:49[/TD]
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[TD]21-22[/TD]
[TD]10:48:16[/TD]
[TD]43[/TD]
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[TD]SUM[/TD]
[TD]27:46:21[/TD]
[TD]102[/TD]
[TD]99[/TD]
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Oh I am sure the bad save % has nothing to do with a slow as molasses Center and a winger who is not known for his defensive acumen. It was the goalies fault...always was...always will be.
if you've followed Johnny's career you'd know nothing is ever ever his fault
 
18M for +3 goal differential over 3 seasons isn't sound cap management IMO. I expanded the numbers year over year. Over the same time frame the Leafs have outscored opponents 344-277 with a .911 SV% with Nylander and Tavares not on the ice. I would venture to say that they have an effect on the goaltenders SV%.

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[TR]
[TD]Season[/TD]
[TD]TOI (H:M:S)[/TD]
[TD]GF[/TD]
[TD]GA[/TD]
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[TD]19-20[/TD]
[TD]7:00:16[/TD]
[TD]25[/TD]
[TD]30[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]20-21[/TD]
[TD]9:57:49[/TD]
[TD]34[/TD]
[TD]19[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]21-22[/TD]
[TD]10:48:16[/TD]
[TD]43[/TD]
[TD]50[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]SUM[/TD]
[TD]27:46:21[/TD]
[TD]102[/TD]
[TD]99[/TD]
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Interesting thank you and definitely backs up what we watched this year

That is unacceptable
 
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The Dubas model was supposed to be a cheap influx of young talent to offset the big contracts, now that the cupboard is drying up, we’re left to finding cheap vets to plug holes.

Its all coming to a potential head in the next couple of years as current contracts of the core 4 run out and there are no future prospects with limited picks being made.

Dubas thinking is no longer long term in the best interest of the Leafs, but rather short-term trying to save his job in the present at the expense of the future !

Case in point if you trade your 1st in 2021 and 4th in 2021 and 4th in 2022 (upcoming draft) for Nick Foligno that comes at a massive cost well beyond losing to Montreal in round #1.

When you trade your 2nd in 2022 (this draft) and 2nd in 2023 (next year) and 3rd in 2024 for 38 year old Mark Giordano, your paying in the present and 2 years into the future for the right to have a dman play at age 39 (this year) and 40 next year before retirement. Because you already lost in round #1 again this year, you could simply have signed Gio as a UFA without mortgaging that much future of 3 top picks.

Just look at his upcoming draft for the Leafs in 2022 .. Leafs don't have a 2nd this year because of Giordano, they also traded their 3rd this draft for goalie David Rittich, and 4th for Nick Foligno and their 5th for Ben Hutton and their 6th for Riley Nash... So 5 draft picks from this upcoming draft for the right to dress a 39 year old Dman, and 4 picks to still pay off the round #1 loss to Montreal in 2021.

So in 2 years Matthews and Nylander's contracts end at UFA status, 40 year old Giordano retires and the Leafs prospect pool from years of abuse to lose in round #1 will be bone dry and without playoff success Dubas will be gone.

So with Leafs goalie situation the worst its been in a decade with Campbell a UFA and Mrazek signing a disaster and Leafs likely looking for 2 new goaltenders in the present for next year, would it really surprise anyone if more draft picks current and future are heading out the door including perhaps Leafs 1st from this year to address it?
 
Interesting thank you and definitely backs up what we watched this year

That is unacceptable
They have a 3 year sample of Leafs goalies putting up a 0.03 worse SV% with them on the ice. That's 30 goals every 1000 shots. That's 1 goal/game at 33 SA/GP or 0.75 goals/game at 25 SA/GP.
 
How do the defensive numbers break down for tavares nylander and whomever when compared.

Do they give up higher danger chances resulting in more goals
More breakaways or odd man rushes or slot shots etc... cant hold on to the puck in the o zone like the others do?

What contributes to the goalie being worse when they are on the ice
Good question. We tried getting rid of our top 10 goaltender, but shockingly that didn't help.
 
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