Despite major challanges, Kyle Dubas has passed the tests

[ShaneFalco]

Maybe. I thought he was fine for the most part but he definitely should have played Nylander more. But yeah, it's possible that a couple of extra shifts for Nylander per period would have been enough to swing things in our favor, we'll never know.


According to Zekes, this is true and it's why so many people are fed up with their routine. The truth is that Dubas has made some mistakes and he's made some good moves as well. This can probably be said about every GM so yeah, pretending everything he does is gold is idiotic. But it's just as dumb to shit all over him like so many people are now doing as if every move he makes is wrong.


I remember when you used to make thoughtful posts. It's unfortunate that you're so angry that these days you rarely do anything but take sarcastic shots at Dubas, hopefully the anger will subside at some point.


At this point in time, people will bitch about anything it seems.

I remember when you didn't defend losing every year. Good for you this brand of losing is more palatable for you. It's not for many and another year wasted. The "yeah but we played hard this time" crowd has such low standards

 

[Dreakmur]

Should have consulted with his coach.

He should have, but that would have interfered with the sabotaging.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

Should have consulted with his coach.

Those two are becoming a dynamic duo of clowns.

Can't wait to see what shanny has in store for next hires. should be better

 

[Zybalto]

Do you think if the team put in an honest effort they should've lost 7-1 to Pittsburgh who were missing their 5 best players ? Really?

The same hurting Pens team that beat Tampa 6-2 the week before and went 1-0-1 against the Panthers during that stretch?

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

Dubas is a great assistant GM. Unfortunately, he's the GM.

 

[m1ker]

The same hurting Pens team that beat Tampa 6-2 the week before and went 1-0-1 against the Panthers during that stretch?

Also, The leafs didn't win the cup like 31 other teams, year after year.. give them all raises!

 

[Mad hatter]

Roll over? Columbus series was so close it came down to Tavares and Matthews both hitting the post. Montreal we lost in OT game 6 and 7 because 2 stupid errors. I dont get the roll over argument.. they rolled over for 2 losses this series, if you replace the timing of those games 2 and 4 with games 6 and 7 we would have a different sentiment right?

I agree not roll over but not the effort I was hoping. I feel in game seven of Columbus and the Habs we didn’t play outplay either team and game seven this year we were the better team I think. Definitely last 2 years should’ve ended in 6 and the leafs have had nothing but bad luck in the playoffs for three years. Bad calls and no bounces suck and we get plenty of both but then that’s hard to blame on Dubas or Keefe imho.

That was Dubas' inexperience with building a team. Barrie didn't have a role here. Rielly ran the PP. The only way to make a role for Barrie was to take it away from Rielly.

Yep I can agree with that, he wasn’t what we needed and it didn’t work out at all. That said I still thought the value was pretty fair for Kadri thought

 

[DuklaNation]

Would you rather have today's roster/cap situation going into the next season or the roster/cap status in 2018? Dubas has been an utter failure. Time is a variable after all and he's running out of it.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I remember when you didn't defend losing every year. Good for you this brand of losing is more palatable for you. It's not for many and another year wasted. The "yeah but we played hard this time" crowd has such low standards

Recognizing both the good and the bad isn't "defending losing", it's a requirement when trying to be objective.

 

[Americanadian]

Muzzin in
Campbell in
Kapanen out
Galchenyuk in
McCann in... even if he screwed up the expansion draft....
Lyubushkin in
Giordano in

How can you claim the Muzzin/Campbell trades were wins? The Leafs got 22 playoff games out of Muzzin and now his contract is a problem - Durzi/Bjornfot will be a contributor for the next 10 years. Campbell provided 2 years of 10th best goaltending in the league in exchange for Moore who is an important part of the best checking line in the league and locked in for under 2M.

Kapanen was a decent trade at the time but doesn't move the needle in hindsight. It would be completely different if they kept Rodrigues.

Galchenyuk was irrelevant. He put up less than 0.5 PPG in a top 6 role. He also cost the Leafs in OT of game 5.

You already stated why the McCann deal doesn't matter.

Lyubushkin was the Leafs worst defenseman from the point he arrived and they gave up a 2nd round pick.

Giordano was a decent trade but they also gave up 2 2nds a 3rd which is a ton of draft capital considering how Dubas has drafted in the 2nd.

 

[m1ker]

Would you rather have today's roster/cap situation going into the next season or the roster/cap status in 2018? Dubas has been an utter failure. Time is a variable after all and he's running out of it.

I think our cap structure today is fine. A couple moves and we will still have a great team. What i don't agree with though is rolling it back because in 2 years you have to resign Nylander and Matthews in the same year, followed by Marner the year after. Also, in the playoffs whats the delta on the core showing up and dominating(actually scoring) vs invisible? For these reasons alone, I think rolling it back is a mistake

 

[TorMapleJays]

The leafs had their best season ever, 4th in the league in points, 2nd in goals scored, all while having below goaltending. With average goaltending the argument could be made that this team could have won the president trophy. This definitely should earn him another season behind the bench imho.

I wouldn’t say the greatest season ever.

I can think of 13 at least, possibly 17 seasons where the leafs were more successful.

 

[Gary Nylund]

How can you claim the Muzzin/Campbell trades were wins? The Leafs got 22 playoff games out of Muzzin and now his contract is a problem - Durzi/Bjornfot will be a contributor for the next 10 years. Campbell provided 2 years of 10th best goaltending in the league in exchange for Moore who is an important part of the best checking line in the league and locked in for under 2M.

Kapanen was a decent trade at the time but doesn't move the needle in hindsight. It would be completely different if they kept Rodrigues.

Galchenyuk was irrelevant. He put up less than 0.5 PPG in a top 6 role. He also cost the Leafs in OT of game 5.

You already stated why the McCann deal doesn't matter.

Lyubushkin was the Leafs worst defenseman from the point he arrived and they gave up a 2nd round pick.

Giordano was a decent trade but they also gave up 2 2nds a 3rd which is a ton of draft capital considering how Dubas has drafted in the 2nd.

Because it's obvious that they were.

It's hilarious how so everything Dubas has ever done is considered to be awful today by some people, even the moves like the Muzzin trade which were almost universally praised.

 

[TorMapleJays]

In hindsight, I’m not feeling good knowing E. Kane, Kadri, and Perry could of been on the leafs. All under great contracts.

Too mean, not nice or progressive enough.

 

[Dreakmur]

How can you claim the Muzzin/Campbell trades were wins? The Leafs got 22 playoff games out of Muzzin and now his contract is a problem - Durzi/Bjornfot will be a contributor for the next 10 years. Campbell provided 2 years of 10th best goaltending in the league in exchange for Moore who is an important part of the best checking line in the league and locked in for under 2M.

Kapanen was a decent trade at the time but doesn't move the needle in hindsight. It would be completely different if they kept Rodrigues.

Galchenyuk was irrelevant. He put up less than 0.5 PPG in a top 6 role. He also cost the Leafs in OT of game 5.

You already stated why the McCann deal doesn't matter.

Lyubushkin was the Leafs worst defenseman from the point he arrived and they gave up a 2nd round pick.

Giordano was a decent trade but they also gave up 2 2nds a 3rd which is a ton of draft capital considering how Dubas has drafted in the 2nd.

If you just want to bash Dubas, I guess I'll just let you go to it.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I wouldn’t say the greatest season ever.

I can think of 13 at least, possibly 17 seasons where the leafs were more successful.

Yeah I assume he meant to say greatest regular season ever.

On one hand, I don't care much about the regular season. On the other hand, it's not completely meaningless either. Mixed feelings for sure.

 

[Dreakmur]

Yeah I assume he meant to say greatest regular season ever.

On one hand, I don't care much about the regular season. On the other hand, it's not completely meaningless either. Mixed feelings for sure.

6 Prez Trophies would be the top 6 I think.

 

[Cap'n Flavour]

I'm glad he passed the test but when is he going to hand in the final project that's worth 60% of the grade for the semester?

 

[Mad hatter]

I wouldn’t say the greatest season ever.

I can think of 13 at least, possibly 17 seasons where the leafs were more successful.

Ok no cup but the most points ever, most wins ever, most wins at home ever and tied for the most wins on the road ever. Statistically speaking it’s definitely the best regular season ever. It wasn’t the greatest season ever because it was a first round loss again (definitely misspoke) but regular season wise it was.

 

[egd27]

Roll over? Columbus series was so close it came down to Tavares and Matthews both hitting the post. Montreal we lost in OT game 6 and 7 because 2 stupid errors. I dont get the roll over argument.. they rolled over for 2 losses this series, if you replace the timing of those games 2 and 4 with games 6 and 7 we would have a different sentiment right?

But for an almost unprecedented stroke of good fortune, they lose the CBJ series 3-1 but blew that luck not being ready in Game 5
They failed to come out ready in games 5, 6, & 7 against Montreal.

So it's not so much about rolling over as it is about not being prepared at puck drop.....coach or players?

 

[Dreakmur]

Ok no cup but the most points ever, most wins ever, most wins at home ever and tied for the most wins on the road ever. Statistically speaking it’s definitely the best season ever. It wasn’t the greatest season ever because it was a first round loss again (definitely misspoke) but regular season wise it was.

If you look at raw totals only, sure. The team as topped the league standing 6 times before. They played fewer games, so they didn't put up the same totals.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Who could have possibly guessed a thread with this title would be going the way it is?

 

[Jozay]

Has not passed the first round test.

 

[Mad hatter]

If you look at raw totals only, sure. The team as topped the league standing 6 times before. They played fewer games, so they didn't put up the same totals.

I agree with that but when judging Dubas and Keefe those raw totals have to be brought into account

 

[Dreakmur]

I agree with that but when judging Dubas and Keefe those raw totals have to be brought into account

It's arguably the best season since expansion. Those early 2000s teams were just as good.

2022 is the least balanced I have ever seen the league, so the point totals are a bit skewed.