Despite major challanges, Kyle Dubas has passed the tests

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His on the job learning cost the Leafs millions of dollars. The poor negotiation of the contracts and how they’ve had to manage the cap because of that misstep has had a ripple effect to this day.
They should always have a payroll at the top of the cap, but they spent dollars extra LTIR, Bonuses they’ve paid and traded the AAV, lost playoff revenues.
The cap left after the core 4 is enough to win the cup with (that core is nothing but selke, art ross, hart, rocket, finesse / point producers, nice hair, crosbys but without the legs etc)

No more excuses for this guy, even ones he created himself.
 
I watched all those games.

The only example that has any merit at all is the Buffalo one and even then, the games were mostly evenly played (and Toronto should be outplaying them)

I mean, the Leafs had some major goaltending issues for a huge chunk of the year. That has nothing to do with effort level.

Just take Arizona for example.

The Leafs outshot them 84-41 over 2 games and yet went 0-1-1.

In your opinion, was that an effort issue?
Do you think if the team put in an honest effort they should've lost 7-1 to Pittsburgh who were missing their 5 best players ? Really?
 
let’s get one thing straight because there are still some people who can’t comprehend simple logic here. Kyle Dubas walked into one of the absolute BEST situations to be in as a GM at the start of his tenure.

Oh boo hoo, he had to resign his franchise players, it’s Lou’s fault! Give me a f***ing break people. Think to yourself, when do GMs usually start with a new franchise? When that franchise is in turmoil and on the downswing.

Poor Kyle was “saddled” with a team many believed had all the right pieces to compete for Cups for a decade+, tons of cap space, to maneuver with, all his draft picks, and all the resources the richest club in the league has to offer.

So please STFU with this Kyle had it rough nonsense. It’s seriously idiotic.
 
Kerfoot only? Barrie was one of the best puck moving, point producing RD for years before the trade. Not really Dubas‘s fault that Babcock tried to change how he played. Kadri was my favourite player on leafs at the time but after costing us 2 straight series it was time to try something else. Everyone could see we needed a good puck moving RD and that’s what he traded for.

I don’t care who the GM is, coaches are, players are, as long as we win. If Dubas got fired I would not lose a second sleep but I personally think he’s built a good team here. There’s posters on here that give him more credit than he deserves and there’s posters on here that hate him more than he deserves, that’s what being a fan is all about.
It's always someone other then Dubases fault

It's babs/ it's Lous/ it's the players/ it's the refs/ it's the nhl
 
Tampa Bay was there for the taking, and poor coaching decisions hurt us.
Getting Tampa with Point Stamkos Kucherov and Vasi playing at less than their best is just as good as having the North Division path to the conference finals if you ask me.

What are the odds of this?

Third year ago we also got the Jackets and lost.

They can't get it done in favourable conditions, where we have a good mix of inferior and equal teams to go off by, but we're supposed to take their word for it they know what they're doing ? Favourable condition being that the factors point towards Leafs having great odds of advancing in contrast to the factors making it dead even or make us underdogs.

What happens if Stamkos played at his best last round? What happens if Kucherov went on a Nylander game 5-6 tear early in the series? Do we even see a game 5?

Leafs did a good job some games stifling these guys, but anyone who watched knows that overall, Tampas core did not perform at an elite level. Kucherov could barely breathe in game 7. Stamkos did nothing all series beside get shots off standing in one spot. Invisible otherwise. Point was injured. Vasi sucked. Had some big moments, but the guy sucked.


The trust in Dubas makes no sense. I'm not a Dubas hater, I just like when things make sense and right now it's not adding up.
 
It's always someone other then Dubases fault

It's babs/ it's Lous/ it's the players/ it's the refs/ it's the nhl
Pretty hard to ignore Barrie’s point totals the year before and after he was a leaf and not see a difference. Also Barrie himself saying that he had a hard time changing how he played, for Babcock. You can hate Dubas for the trade but at the time lots of leaf fans thought that was a good trade. Last year after Kadri got suspended again in the playoffs no one was talking about that trade being horrible. The day after he gets a Hattrick in the playoffs though, it’s brought up again, weird.
 
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Getting Tampa with Point Stamkos Kucherov and Vasi playing at less than their best is just as good as having the North Division path to the conference finals if you ask me.

What are the odds of this?

Third year ago we also got the Jackets and lost.

They can't get it done in favourable conditions, where we have a good mix of inferior and equal teams to go off by, but we're supposed to take their word for it they know what they're doing ? Favourable condition being that the factors point towards Leafs having great odds of advancing in contrast to the factors making it dead even or make us underdogs.

What happens if Stamkos played at his best last round? What happens if Kucherov went on a Nylander game 5-6 tear early in the series? Do we even see a game 5?

Leafs did a good job some games stifling these guys, but anyone who watched knows that overall, Tampas core did not perform at an elite level. Kucherov could barely breathe in game 7. Stamkos did nothing all series beside get shots off standing in one spot. Invisible otherwise. Point was injured. Vasi sucked. Had some big moments, but the guy sucked.


The trust in Dubas makes no sense. I'm not a Dubas hater, I just like when things make sense and right now it's not adding up.
It doesn't matter if they didn't perform their best because of the Leafs or because they couldn't reach that level in that 7 game span.

All that matters is you got the "favorable condition". The team should have wrapped it up after that.

It goes back to Dubas having no idea what to do unless the player is gift wrapped like a Marner or Matthews....or your JT's and Giordano's bringing out their Leafs pyjamas and telling Dubas he's signing them.
 
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Amigos get 6 chances but the one guy who wears his heart on his jersey only gets 2 cracks, that pretty much sums up management
Actually he only had 2 half chances, he didn’t make it through either series if my memory correct. That sucked because we probably would’ve won them both and then nobody would be complaining about Dubas right now
 
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Tampa Bay was there for the taking, and poor coaching decisions hurt us.
Maybe. I thought he was fine for the most part but he definitely should have played Nylander more. But yeah, it's possible that a couple of extra shifts for Nylander per period would have been enough to swing things in our favor, we'll never know.

It's always someone other then Dubases fault

It's babs/ it's Lous/ it's the players/ it's the refs/ it's the nhl
According to Zekes, this is true and it's why so many people are fed up with their routine. The truth is that Dubas has made some mistakes and he's made some good moves as well. This can probably be said about every GM so yeah, pretending everything he does is gold is idiotic. But it's just as dumb to shit all over him like so many people are now doing as if every move he makes is wrong.

Kings of almost winning!
I remember when you used to make thoughtful posts. It's unfortunate that you're so angry that these days you rarely do anything but take sarcastic shots at Dubas, hopefully the anger will subside at some point.

Actually he only had 2 half chances, he didn’t make it through either series if my memory correct. That sucked because we probably would’ve won them both and then nobody would be complaining about Dubas right now
At this point in time, people will bitch about anything it seems.
 
It doesn't matter if they didn't perform their best because of the Leafs or because they couldn't reach that level in that 7 game span.

All that matters is you got the "favorable condition". The team should have wrapped it up after that.

It goes back to Dubas having no idea what to do unless the player is gift wrapped like a Marner or Matthews....or your JT's and Giordano's bringing out their Leafs pyjamas and telling Dubas he's signing them.
It matters in the sense that if the Leafs core is the reason Tampas core couldn't keep up, then it 100% means Dubas is the problem and not the core players.

Letting Dubas dismantle / touching any of the core for a re-tool would be disastrous. Moreover he has shown he can't build around it properly either.

So....why do we need him then?
 
I didn’t say it effects the team. The OP wants to espouse the greatness of Kyle Dubas, but this thread will backfire. That’s what I meant by counterproductive.
The OP 1st post is an attempt at satire.

Definition - the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's opposing opinions when the facts are not on your side.

The correct response is LOL and to counter it with you forgot to mention the Leafs team while losing, "has earned the respect in the handshake line of the opposition" to further the humour of the situation. that is intended to mask the Leafs struggles as some measure of team success. Almost like coach Cooper patting Keefe on the head and saying "nice try little guy, good effort" as satire attempt !! :wg: :sarcasm:

That quote circulating social media now mocking the Leafs, with memes and becoming its own satire, has backfired and counterproductive in its original attempt to provide cover for a struggling team.

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Toronto Maple Leafs coach ripped by fans for lame line on handshakes

This is similar satire to Dubas claiming he didn't even consider hiring what he called great coaches like Trotz or DeBoar because "in only 10-15 years from now he believes Keefe will be seen as their equals".

You have to hope at least Keefe and Dubas throw-away quotes are attempted satire, and not to be taken too seriously, because they reflect poorly back on the organization if they were meant to be taken seriously.

Laughter is the best medicine the say.
 
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It matters in the sense that if the Leafs core is the reason Tampas core couldn't keep up, then it 100% means Dubas is the problem and not the core players.

Letting Dubas dismantle / touching any of the core for a re-tool would be disastrous. Moreover he has shown he can't build around it properly either.

So....why do we need him then?
Beautiful. Sticky this somewhere.
 
I agree that he made in-game adjustments during the series but in all three deciding games the other teams went into lockdown D he did very little outside of moving players around, the system stayed the same.
I agree but I also felt that this year they didn’t roll over like the first 2. Tampa is definitely the best of the 3 teams and they had chances in game 7 this year at least. 3 straight game 7 losses is a fireable offence, but I also can see why they chose not too
 
Pretty hard to ignore Barrie’s point totals the year before and after he was a leaf and not see a difference. Also Barrie himself saying that he had a hard time changing how he played, for Babcock. You can hate Dubas for the trade but at the time lots of leaf fans thought that was a good trade. Last year after Kadri got suspended again in the playoffs no one was talking about that trade being horrible. The day after he gets a Hattrick in the playoffs though, it’s brought up again, weird.

That was Dubas' inexperience with building a team. Barrie didn't have a role here. Rielly ran the PP. The only way to make a role for Barrie was to take it away from Rielly.
 
I agree but I also felt that this year they didn’t roll over like the first 2. Tampa is definitely the best of the 3 teams and they had chances in game 7 this year at least. 3 straight game 7 losses is a fireable offence, but I also can see why they chose not too
Roll over? Columbus series was so close it came down to Tavares and Matthews both hitting the post. Montreal we lost in OT game 6 and 7 because 2 stupid errors. I dont get the roll over argument.. they rolled over for 2 losses this series, if you replace the timing of those games 2 and 4 with games 6 and 7 we would have a different sentiment right?
 
Kadri has ruined four playoffs series for his team. He is definition of F. Three suspensions and meltdown against Dallas. One hat trick doesn't change that.
He is closer to Wendel then he is to Kerfoot.

Didn’t Kadri lead the league in PIM drawn?
 
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