Despite major challanges, Kyle Dubas has passed the tests

[Leaf Fans]

Kyle's tenure has been a complete and utter debacle. It's astonishing to see how someone f***ed this up so much. My bet is Mikheyev will be the next guy playing for the Cup.

It is possible, he might re-sign.

 

[ACC1224]

No, there are the people who put the Marleau debacle on Lou.

Correct, those are the ones being referred to.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Correct, those are the ones being referred to.

It was the people who don't think Dubas has made three bad moves earlier.

 

[ACC1224]

It was the people who don't think Dubas has made three bad moves earlier.

Yes those same ones.
Not sure if you’re agreeing, disagreeing or being obtuse.

 

[Racer88]

Everyone seems to be debating the first pick that Dubas gave up to trade away Marleau he also traded a first pick for Foligno and we all know how that disaster played out

 

[ACC1224]

Everyone seems to be debating the first pick that Dubas gave up to trade away Marlea, he also traded a first pick for Foligno and we all know how that disaster played out

Throwing it away to ditch Marleau was much worse. Not never close IMO.

 

[capfit9]

Yeah, I'm sure it wasn't aimed at the people saying that he was a liability playing through his injury, or the people saying that he was a liability after his 3rd suspension in 4 seasons, or the people who sent him death threats this playoffs. I'm sure, in his moment winning the cup, he's still seething about a fully justified 3-year-old trade.

I’ll take the Stanley Cup in the 4th season

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Dubas cost us Jarvis due to his incompetence . Teams know he's weak so they see how far they can push him and Dubie just caves . Lou wasn't perfect but there's no way he would have had to pay a 1st to dump Marleau or would have had Marleau dictate to him how he departed .

It was Lou that gave him a NTC in the 1st place. Marleau absolutely would've dictated where he was going. He only wanted to go back to CALI or else we were going to be stuck with his dead money for a year. There was only one team willing to buy out his 6M contract and that's why it cost a 1st.

The Leafs had no leverage whether it was Dubas or Lou making the trade.

 

[ACC1224]

It was Lou that gave him a NTC in the 1st place. Marleau absolutely would've dictated where he was going. He only wanted to go back to CALI or else we were going to be stuck with his dead money for a year. There was only one team willing to buy out his 6M contract and that's why it cost a 1st.

The Leafs had no leverage whether it was Dubas or Lou making the trade.

Correct. Once the cap was maxed out there were no other options. Incompetence all around.

 

[socko]

It was probably both. But you keep up that denial.

It definitely wasn't the racists, that's for sure. They weren't even rooting for him, they were rooting for the Blues and against his team. So how could they "not believe in him" when they're rooting against him? I know that is technically possible, but clearly not who the target of the comment was. It was targeted at the guy who kicked him off the team for his behavior. Pretty freaking obvious.

 

[DarkKnight]

Fair question, does anyone really believe we‘re on par with that Avs team?

 

[Nineteen67]

Hey guys, what was your favourite handshake line?

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Washington, there was hope back then.

 

[DarkKnight]

Okay the Avs have the cup, but we do have the latest bronze unveiling in front of Scotiabank to look forward too. What a time to be alive friends.

 

[Nineteen67]

I watched his interview live. He didn't mention Dubas. It was an an FU ( a KMA really) to all the people who doubted him and thought he was a playoff liability. It wasn't anything to any one person.

It was not directed at one person at all. However, Dubas is certainly in the group that thought he was a liability, and should be near the front of the line to kiss his arse.

 

[Bomber0104]

Dubas probably won't mind anyway, he's been kissing ass his entire managerial career whether that's to bosses, players, media, etc.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Fair question, does anyone really believe we‘re on par with that Avs team?

Nope

 

[socko]

It was not directed at one person at all. However, Dubas is certainly in the group that thought he was a liability, and should be near the front of the line to kiss his arse.

I think Dubas is first in line, with Steve Simmons right behind him. Ironically, Steve Simmons was also first in line to kiss Kessel's arse.

 

[Leaf Fans]

It was not directed at one person at all. However, Dubas is certainly in the group that thought he was a liability, and should be near the front of the line to kiss his arse.

I don't think that is true. I don't think he would worry about three years ago, but I admit that it is possible. However, I don't think the Leafs or Dubas has the drama to to professionals as it has on the board.

 

[Trapper]

Fair question, does anyone really believe we‘re on par with that Avs team?

No.
Do you believe in this core?
The sum of the parts to dig, and grind, get hurt, keep grinding, battle, play injured, etc.

And that’s just the core itself. Not taking into consideration taking up half the cap to seriously limit the support beneath a core you believe in.

 

[Nineteen67]

Cost us Jarvis who had 40 in 68.

Marleau and Tavares are similar temperments and shouldn't have a captaincy. Two mistakes.


Add Hyman to that list..... Leafs have just bled assets and have no series wins to show for it. So keeping the players paid no dividends.

Would the Leafs have picked Jarvis? Even if they did, we don’t know that he’d even be in the Lineup yet.

 

[killer1980]

Sakic stuck to the blueprint for winning a Stanley Cup. The Avs showed improvement almost every year under his leadership. The Leafs have, basically, been treading water in the 5 years that Dubas has been at the helm. A competent GM and coach would have been able to control Kadri as evedence by his maturity in Colorado. I believe that the Leafs problems are also generational. While trying to achieve instant gratification with no plan (or Shanaplan), Dubas backed himself into a corner. Sakic was able to pull the trigger at the TD to add the necessary pieces in Lehkonen and Cogliano. Somehow, Simmonds, Giordano, Blackwell, Säteri, even Thornton earlier pale by comparison.

 

[socko]

No.
Do you believe in this core?
The sum of the parts to dig, and grind, get hurt, keep grinding, battle, play injured, etc.

And that’s just the core itself. Not taking into consideration taking up half the cap to seriously limit the support beneath a core you believe in.

First of all, I don't consider Tavares part of the core, never have and never will.
Do I believe in the big 3? Yes and No.
I believe in them a lot more than I believe in Dubas.
I think a competent GM doesn't cave to them on contracts.
Would we have the heart of Colorado? Probably not but we would have more heart without Dubas.
He's soft as a marshmallow and that flows down to the team.
So I absolutely don't believe in this core under Dubas, but under someone else, I think they could have brought a championship to Toronto.

 

[Nineteen67]

I don't think that is true. I don't think he would worry about three years ago, but I admit that it is possible. However, I don't think the Leafs or Dubas has the drama to to professionals as it has on the board.

Didnt he say everyone or everybody?

Dubas is the only one on earth that traded him (for sake of trading him) because he thought he was a liability in the playoffs. That was clearly the vibe at that time of the trade. Dubas wanted guys to turn their back when a teammate got kneed in a playoff game, or when the goalie getting run over, and he was not addressing the real problem and looking for guys to help Naz, like a normal team.

Kyle, get to the front of the line and pucker up.

 

[Gallagbi]

First of all, I don't consider Tavares part of the core, never have and never will.
Do I believe in the big 3? Yes and No.
I believe in them a lot more than I believe in Dubas.
I think a competent GM doesn't cave to them on contracts.
Would we have the heart of Colorado? Probably not but we would have more heart without Dubas.
He's soft as a marshmallow and that flows down to the team.
So I absolutely don't believe in this core under Dubas, but under someone else, I think they could have brought a championship to Toronto.

The caving criticism is odd to me, didnt he push Nylander further into negotiations than anyone in the cap era? Or has another team had a player sit the whole year?

 

[BertCorbeau]

Sakic stuck to the blueprint for winning a Stanley Cup. The Avs showed improvement almost every year under his leadership. The Leafs have, basically, been treading water in the 5 years that Dubas has been at the helm. A competent GM and coach would have been able to control Kadri as evedence by his maturity in Colorado. I believe that the Leafs problems are also generational. While trying to achieve instant gratification with no plan (or Shanaplan), Dubas backed himself into a corner. Sakic was able to pull the trigger at the TD to add the necessary pieces in Lehkonen and Cogliano. Somehow, Simmonds, Giordano, Blackwell, Säteri, even Thornton earlier pale by comparison.

Improvement? They had 3 straight second round losses up to this season.

Sakic’s been the GM for nearly a decade, losing in their round of the playoffs in his first year With a young core of Mackinnon, Landry, ROR, Duchene.. it took 3 years of bottoming out in the division before a change was made.

There’s definitely hypocrisy here