Despite major challanges, Kyle Dubas has passed the tests

[notbias]

I think kadri was talking about the media. After last year avalanche fans wanted to trade him because he was a liability. 3 suspensions in 4 years in the playoffs isn’t a crazy thing to say he’s a liability.

I’m happy for Kadri to win. Love his passion.

That's the logical conclusion

 

[TopG]

He’s one of the worst GMs in the league

 

[socko]

You watch Dubas teams play in a game 7 and you wonder if he passed his testes instead of his tests. The spelling is so close, it's an easy mistake to make...

 

[SeaOfBlue]

It looks like Kadri enjoying the Cup with nothing at all to with Dubas.

I am not exactly sure why anyone thinks this has anything to do with giving an FU to the Leafs or Dubas.

It took him until his contract year, and two years of doing things which were the direct reason for the Leafs moving him in the first place, to finally get it right.

If anything, our fans should stop trying to constantly trade our star players for non-star players, because Kadri was less of a star player than any of our current star players, and did a lot more things which warranted moving him than any of our current star players, and we got a strong return for him (something we would not have got based on his two prior seasons with Colorado), and people are still whining about it.

No coincidence that there there is a strong overlap between the whining and the impatience too.

 

[DarkKnight]

 

[Leaf Fans]

I am not exactly sure why anyone thinks this has anything to do with giving an FU to the Leafs or Dubas.

It took him until his contract year, and two years of doing things which were the direct reason for the Leafs moving him in the first place, to finally get it right.

If anything, our fans should stop trying to constantly trade our star players for non-star players, because Kadri was less of a star player than any of our current star players, and did a lot more things which warranted moving him than any of our current star players, and we got a strong return for him (something we would not have got based on his two prior seasons with Colorado), and people are still whining about it.

No coincidence that there there is a strong overlap between the whining and the impatience too.

I feel the same way. Not everything is about the Leafs. Even this year, it was the racists in St Louis that would affect this year's playoff rather than a trade that happened a few years ago.

 

[Dekes For Days]

cause only the other guy gives bad contracts. see Ritchie & Mrazek

Every GM has some contracts that don't turn out, but there's a difference between contracts that just don't turn out and contracts that were bad to begin with, and there's a difference between a contract that would have a significant impact on the team if it doesn't work out, and one that would be a minor inconvenience and barely cost anything to get rid of, like Ritchie.

 

[capfit9]

Every GM has some contracts that don't turn out, but there's a difference between contracts that just don't turn out and contracts that were bad to begin with, and there's a difference between a contract that would have a significant impact on the team if it doesn't work out, and one that would be a minor inconvenience and barely cost anything to get rid of, like Ritchie.

Conveniently left out Mrazek consider me shocked.

 

[Dekes For Days]

These are all lame excuses for what turned out at the end of the day to be poor cap and asset management.

None of them are poor asset/cap management, and accurately discussing what happened is not "excuses".

Kadri was on a fantastically cheap contract and was only traded because he was playing too hard in the playoffs.

Kadri was on a moderately good contract that he didn't live up to all that well in 2018-2019. He was traded because he was suspended for the 2nd consecutive time, after a history of discipline issues. That's very different from "playing too hard".

I’m glad Naz called out Dubas after the win tonight.

He did not call out Dubas...

The leafs are a country club team with close to zero accountability for failures.

That's untrue, and it's especially funny that you'd argue that after arguing against the Kadri trade - which was literally all about holding somebody accountable.

 

[keonsbitterness]

He did not call out Dubas...

We don't know. He didn't specify.

 

[RoadWarrior]

Ironically the biggest example of demonstrating accountability was trading Kadri after Naz got suspended for the second straight playoff series.

Both suspensions were debatable considering how the B’s players had free reign to do as they pleased.

Kadri showed heart. The other leafs players were at no risk of suspension as they wouldn’t lay a glove on an opposing player for fear of breaking a fingernail. Could impact the golf game you know.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Conveniently left out Mrazek consider me shocked.

I didn't leave out Mrazek. He would fall under contract that didn't work out that's likely to be a minor inconvenience. It just made more sense to use Ritchie as the example because Ritchie has already been traded, so we already know that cost was insignificant.

 

[RoadWarrior]

That's the logical conclusion

No it was Dubas. That’s obvious to anyone not in a state of denial.

 

[PromisedLand]

haha I mean our best player won the Hart, and Lindsay, and even at the end of the awards show, they took a shot at the leafs lol

they ended the show by saying "good to see leafs win something in june"

Dubas era has been a f***ing embarrassment to the franchise and true die hards. Thats 4 years of my life I won't get back meanwhile Dubas and co. got richer by selling fake bullshit to MLSE and still act smug. It is infuriating!

 

[RoadWarrior]

None of them are poor asset/cap management, and accurately discussing what happened is not "excuses".

Kadri was on a moderately good contract that he didn't live up to all that well in 2018-2019. He was traded because he was suspended for the 2nd consecutive time, after a history of discipline issues. That's very different from "playing too hard".

He did not call out Dubas...

That's untrue, and it's especially funny that you'd argue that after arguing against the Kadri trade - which was literally all about holding somebody accountable.

That “moderately good” contract was good enough to keep the leafs out of cap trouble until the brutal Tavares and Marner signings. Both vast overpayments.

Kadri was punished for showing heart. Others were rewarded for showing none.

Like I said earlier the leafs are a country club team with no accountability.

 

[PromisedLand]

You think he was talking to members of this board? Members of the Media and Twitter, the Leafs? Or Dubas?

Well below is some excerpt from the article he wrote. What do you think?

 

[Dekes For Days]

We don't know. He didn't specify.

Yeah, I'm sure it wasn't aimed at the people saying that he was a liability playing through his injury, or the people saying that he was a liability after his 3rd suspension in 4 seasons, or the people who sent him death threats this playoffs. I'm sure, in his moment winning the cup, he's still seething about a fully justified 3-year-old trade.

 

[Dekes For Days]

That “moderately good” contract was good enough to keep the leafs out of cap trouble until the brutal Tavares and Marner signings. Both vast overpayments.
Kadri was punished for showing heart. Others were rewarded for showing none.
Like I said earlier the leafs are a country club team with no accountability.

1. Kadri didn't save us from cap trouble. Having all of our stars on their ELCs saved us from cap trouble, and even then we were pretty high up against the cap. Since then Dubas has kept us out of cap trouble.
2. Neither Tavares or Marner were overpayments.
3. Kadri was not punished for showing heart. You can show heart without being suspended twice in a row. Nobody has been rewarded for not showing heart.
4. Leafs are not a "country club team", and they have accountability - something seen in the very Kadri trade you're arguing against.

 

[hotpaws]

Well below is some excerpt from the article he wrote. What do you think?




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Dubie's disciples will have a tough time spinning this and you can tell how much he valued being a Leaf by sending Dubas a f/u during the greatest moment of his hockey career .

 

[Leaf Fans]

Well below is some excerpt from the article he wrote. What do you think?




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Yeah, I read the whole article. So it definitely wouldn't have been an FU to Dubas. As he said " it was time to move on " and how he really enjoyed his time in Toronto. Also, how he was and is a fan of the team. Great to hear from the man himself. I'd like to see the blame Dubas crowd try to spin this to an FU to Dubas. LoL.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Watch his interview. It was an FU to Dubas.

I watched his interview live. He didn't mention Dubas. It was an an FU ( a KMA really) to all the people who doubted him and thought he was a playoff liability. It wasn't anything to any one person.

 

[RoadWarrior]

I watched his interview live. He didn't mention Dubas. It was an an FU ( a KMA really) to all the people who doubted him and thought he was a playoff liability. It wasn't anything t

I’m 100% certain that Dubas was one of those doubters. In fact the only doubter that mattered as he had the power to trade him. It was about Dubas.

 

[hotpaws]

Watch his interview. It was an FU to Dubas.

yup but your odds of winning lotto max are higher than getting Dubies peeps to admit it , lol

Kadri could have said ''f*** you Kyle Dubas for not believing in me" and his followers would be on here saying it was directed at a different Kyle Dubas and not the Leaf GM .

 

[Antropovsky]

Marleau era went exactly as Babcock predicted.

His first 1.5 seasons were great as they predicted. No complaints. (They actually predicted 2 good seasons, that last 1/2 where they still thought he was good cost us dearly)

Black hole after that, as predicted.

Loved Marleau in his first year here.

Except he's never won a cup and actually had his C taken away from him in San Jose....he even stayed in San Jose after having it stripped. And ...he broke the record for most games played. Either he Bruce Willis from Unbreakable or he's not sacrificing enough. He actually finally left San Jose....but only when much more money came calling. Pretty sure he has all his teeth too.

This is a guy you want leading your crop of your players?

Marleau was a case of Saskatoon Babs pushing the Swift Current guy.

I think the team was set back by having him personally.

 

[hotpaws]

Except he's never won a cup and actually had his C taken away from him in San Jose....he even stayed in San Jose after having it stripped. And ...he broke the record for most games played. Either he Bruce Willis from Unbreakable or he's not sacrificing enough. He actually finally left San Jose....but only when much more money came calling. Pretty sure he has all his teeth too.

This is a guy you want leading your crop of your players?

Marleau was a case of Saskatoon Babs pushing the Swift Current guy.

I think the team was set back by having him personally.

Marleau had little effect on the team either way .

Handing 11m and the C to a loser like Tavares is what's killing our window .