Despite major challanges, Kyle Dubas has passed the tests

[socko]

Mrazek is neither good enough nor healthy enough to be a starter.
He is way overpaid as a backup.
He won't be easy to get rid of.

 

[ToneDog]

Mrazek is neither good enough nor healthy enough to be a starter.
He is way overpaid as a backup.
He won't be easy to get rid of.

Mrazek is Marleau all over again but let's hope Dubas handles it better. He was signed as a 1B at 3.8m so no reason not to bite the bullet and run him back as the 1B along with somebody making not too much more than what Campbell was making last year. Of course if they have no faith in him, they will pay to move him. Some GMs are not dumb. They see how desperate Dubas is to dump him and they will make him pay just like Carolina did with Marleau.

 

[justashadowof]

Mrazek is Marleau all over again but let's hope Dubas handles it better. He was signed as a 1B at 3.8m so no reason not to bite the bullet and run him back as the 1B along with somebody making not too much more than what Campbell was making last year. Of course if they have no faith in him, they will pay to move him. Some GMs are not dumb. They see how desperate Dubas is to dump him and they will make him pay just like Carolina did with Marleau.

Buying him out isn't expensive compared to what Marleau would have cost to buy out:

SEASON	INITIAL BASE SALARY	INITIAL CAP HIT	SIGNING BONUS	BUYOUT COST	POST-BUYOUT EARNINGS	SAVINGS	CAP HIT ( TOR)
2022-23	$4,200,000	$3,800,000	$0	$1,433,333	$1,433,333	$2,766,667	$1,033,333
2023-24	$4,400,000	$3,800,000	$0	$1,433,333	$1,433,333	$2,966,667	$833,333
2024-25	$0	$0	$0	$1,433,333	$1,433,333	-$1,433,333	$1,433,333
2025-26	$0	$0	$0	$1,433,333	$1,433,333	-$1,433,333	$1,433,333
TOTAL	$8,600,000	$7,600,000	$0	$5,733,333	$5,733,333	$2,866,667	$4,733,332

 

[socko]

Mrazek is Marleau all over again but let's hope Dubas handles it better. He was signed as a 1B at 3.8m so no reason not to bite the bullet and run him back as the 1B along with somebody making not too much more than what Campbell was making last year. Of course if they have no faith in him, they will pay to move him. Some GMs are not dumb. They see how desperate Dubas is to dump him and they will make him pay just like Carolina did with Marleau.

If you remove Mrazek's first 4 seasons where he started hot on an aging Detroit team, he has had a 0.904 save percentage in the last 7 seasons of his career. That's a clear downgrade for us if we go that route. I'm not sure why Dubas handed him that much money.

 

[justashadowof]

Let's all wait for the news release: "The Toronto Maple Leafs have placed Petr Mrazek on unconditional waivers."

 

[ShaneFalco]

If you remove Mrazek's first 4 seasons where he started hot on a stacked Detroit team, he has had a 0.904 save percentage in the last 7 seasons of his career. That's a clear downgrade for us if we go that route. I'm not sure why Dubas handed him that much money.

Especially when Campbell is/was injury prone and possibly not coming back.

 

[justashadowof]

If you remove Mrazek's first 4 seasons where he started hot on a stacked Detroit team, he has had a 0.904 save percentage in the last 7 seasons of his career. That's a clear downgrade for us if we go that route. I'm not sure why Dubas handed him that much money.

I think it was simple. Campbell had less than 80 NHL starts in 10 pro seasons going into the 2021-22 season.

 

[Menzinger]

Mrazek is owed 8.6m real dollars the next two years. What team would be willing to take that on without a juicy sweetener? I mean there are plenty of better and probably cheaper options out there July 13th. Hell we are looking for somebody better and cheaper. Now there is a red flag. We'll be lucky if it does not cost us a first or a good prospect or two. I am guessing Dubas will try to save face and include him in a bigger deal so that fans don't realize what it actually cost to move him.

Teams need goalies for different reasons. Some need guys as stopgaps, others need bodies to reach the cap floor.

We'll see what happens with him one way or the other in a couple weeks

 

[rocketman588]

Mrazek is owed 8.6m real dollars the next two years. What team would be willing to take that on without a juicy sweetener? I mean there are plenty of better and probably cheaper options out there July 13th. Hell we are looking for somebody better and cheaper. Now there is a red flag. We'll be lucky if it does not cost us a first or a good prospect or two. I am guessing Dubas will try to save face and include him in a bigger deal so that fans don't realize what it actually cost to move him.

Not to mention the modified no trade lol

Buying him out isn't expensive compared to what Marleau would have cost to buy out:

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]
SEASON[/TD]
[TD]INITIAL BASE SALARY[/TD]
[TD]INITIAL CAP HIT[/TD]
[TD]SIGNING BONUS[/TD]
[TD]BUYOUT COST[/TD]
[TD]POST-BUYOUT EARNINGS[/TD]
[TD]SAVINGS[/TD]
[TD]CAP HIT (

TOR)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2022-23[/TD]
[TD]$4,200,000[/TD]
[TD]$3,800,000[/TD]
[TD]$0[/TD]
[TD]$1,433,333[/TD]
[TD]$1,433,333[/TD]
[TD]$2,766,667[/TD]
[TD]$1,033,333[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2023-24[/TD]
[TD]$4,400,000[/TD]
[TD]$3,800,000[/TD]
[TD]$0[/TD]
[TD]$1,433,333[/TD]
[TD]$1,433,333[/TD]
[TD]$2,966,667[/TD]
[TD]$833,333[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2024-25[/TD]
[TD]$0[/TD]
[TD]$0[/TD]
[TD]$0[/TD]
[TD]$1,433,333[/TD]
[TD]$1,433,333[/TD]
[TD]-$1,433,333[/TD]
[TD]$1,433,333[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2025-26[/TD]
[TD]$0[/TD]
[TD]$0[/TD]
[TD]$0[/TD]
[TD]$1,433,333[/TD]
[TD]$1,433,333[/TD]
[TD]-$1,433,333[/TD]
[TD]$1,433,333[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]TOTAL[/TD]
[TD]$8,600,000[/TD]
[TD]$7,600,000[/TD]
[TD]$0[/TD]
[TD]$5,733,333[/TD]
[TD]$5,733,333[/TD]
[TD]$2,866,667[/TD]
[TD]$4,733,332[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

That's basically Campbell's cap hit in a buy out.

Id rather us trade picks then eat that for 4 years

What did we try to ask to sign and trade Hyman for whatever reason? If that's worth a 3/4 in our GMs opinion we can't eat this buy out

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Mrazek is owed 8.6m real dollars the next two years. What team would be willing to take that on without a juicy sweetener? I mean there are plenty of better and probably cheaper options out there July 13th. Hell we are looking for somebody better and cheaper. Now there is a red flag. We'll be lucky if it does not cost us a first or a good prospect or two. I am guessing Dubas will try to save face and include him in a bigger deal so that fans don't realize what it actually cost to move him.

I literally just pointed out a few examples of teams that aren't ready to compete and are always looking to reach the cap floor

 

[rocketman588]

I literally just pointed out a few examples of teams that aren't ready to compete and are always looking to reach the cap floor

I'd assume a lot of those teams would be on his no trade list

 

[DarkKnight]

I literally just pointed out a few examples of teams that aren't ready to compete and are always looking to reach the cap floor

Not that insiders know everything, but I haven’t heard one who thinks ditching Mrazek is going to be easy, in fact its universally the opposite from league canvasses.

 

[rocketman588]

Not that insiders know everything, but I haven’t heard one who thinks ditching Mrazek is going to be easy, in fact its universally the opposite from league canvasses.

I'd assume he's on the roster until after the draft

He'll go for like a 2023 3rd

 

[Osmows OReilly]

Lurked here for about a year or so, just wanted to give some thoughts.

I've watched this team since the 2012-13 season (you know the one) and it's depressing that after a decade of cheering for the Leafs they've gone nowhere, even after drafting a generational goal scorer. Management seems willfully ignorant about the state of the team and that much is obvious after this season.

No matter how you look at it, six straight first round exits is unacceptable. Others on this board have highlighted how the team is constructed and coached as reason for its failure and I totally agree. When management has the opportunity to acquire better coaching but refuses to because they are buddy-buddy with each other that should be an immediate fireable offense. The biggest problem with this team at its core, imo, is the culture. How can you expect to win anything when failure is rewarded with pats on backs and respect in handshake lines? Like are they (both ownership and management) blind to see how much of a joke they are? The team has a literal country club atmosphere.

At this point I've become numb to the excuses. My uncle has watched this team since the seventies and I really don't know how he does it year after year. The Leafs last won a playoff series when I was a kid and literally have gone nowhere since (I could care less about 100 point regular season or Hart trophies, those are just icing on a cake). Whenever I think about memorable Leafs moments (1993 playoff run for example) I have to look on the internet because I literally do not have one in my memory as sad as it is to admit.

Anyways I apology if I sound like a crybaby or whinny, just wanted to express my frustration that's all.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

M

I'd assume a lot of those teams would be on his no trade list

Most likely. A lot of times a player will be more likely to go to a garbage team in the NHL than possibly get sent down to the AHL if say the Leafs decide they don't want him.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Not that insiders know everything, but I haven’t heard one who thinks ditching Mrazek is going to be easy, in fact its universally the opposite from league canvasses.

I've seen sources that Chicago has been looking at Mrazek. There is options like trading for Murray @50% retention. Not that it's necessarily better for us cap wise but I would prefer Murray as backup.

Florida is also looking to move Bobrovsky and is apparently willing to retain 50%. That's another option.

The Isles are desperate for cap space and are looking to move Varlamov

 

[rocketman588]

I've seen sources that Chicago has been looking at Mrazek. There is options like trading for Murray @50% retention. Not that it's necessarily better for us cap wise but I would prefer Murray as backup.

Florida is also looking to move Bobrovsky and is apparently willing to retain 50%. That's another option.

The Isles are desperate for cap space and are looking to move Varlamov

Chicago wants him because they think they can rob him us in a trade and get prospects and picks lol.

They don't want him because they think he'll help the team.

Additionally when you're trying to cap dump you don't often take the same salary your giving up back...

The isles aren't going to trade us varlomov for Mrazek at 1 mil less for two years same with the Panthers why would they eat 5 mil to take 3.8 back

 

[Racer88]

If you remove Mrazek's first 4 seasons where he started hot on an aging Detroit team, he has had a 0.904 save percentage in the last 7 seasons of his career. That's a clear downgrade for us if we go that route. I'm not sure why Dubas handed him that much money.

I’m pretty sure Dubas has no idea about goaltending…….it’s just an afterthought to him

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Chicago wants him because they think they can rob him us in a trade and get prospects and picks lol.

They don't want him because they think he'll help the team.

Additionally when you're trying to cap dump you don't often take the same salary your giving up back...

The isles aren't going to trade us varlomov for Mrazek at 1 mil less for two years same with the Panthers why would they eat 5 mil to take 3.8 back

Never said Mrazek could help Chicago. I used them as an example earlier because they just need someone to play games while they bottom out for the next few years as they rebuild. If they move Debrincat and Kane, they might need to reach the cap floor as well.

In some cases when you're swapping contracts, both teams are looking for the player to play better with a change of scenery like Mrazek for Murray.

The Isles have a ton of contracts that are going to be very hard to move, so any little bit of space they can make is beneficial. They don't need Varlamov as a starter anymore with Sorokin emerging. That's why I think a Varlamov for Mrazek swap could make sense. Leafs get a stop gap starter for 1 year and the Isles get a backup for 1.2M less. Leafs likely send a prospect like Hirvonen the other way as well.

 

[ToneDog]

I've seen sources that Chicago has been looking at Mrazek. There is options like trading for Murray @50% retention. Not that it's necessarily better for us cap wise but I would prefer Murray as backup.

Florida is also looking to move Bobrovsky and is apparently willing to retain 50%. That's another option.

The Isles are desperate for cap space and are looking to move Varlamov

So you are saying mrazek is not the only goalie teams are trying to dump? That should make it more difficult. No?

I do like your idea of mrazek + hirovinen for varlamov. Not sure if Lou would help out the Leafs though.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Buying him out isn't expensive compared to what Marleau would have cost to buy out:

SEASON	INITIAL BASE SALARY	INITIAL CAP HIT	SIGNING BONUS	BUYOUT COST	POST-BUYOUT EARNINGS	SAVINGS	CAP HIT ( TOR)
2022-23	$4,200,000	$3,800,000	$0	$1,433,333	$1,433,333	$2,766,667	$1,033,333
2023-24	$4,400,000	$3,800,000	$0	$1,433,333	$1,433,333	$2,966,667	$833,333
2024-25	$0	$0	$0	$1,433,333	$1,433,333	-$1,433,333	$1,433,333
2025-26	$0	$0	$0	$1,433,333	$1,433,333	-$1,433,333	$1,433,333
TOTAL	$8,600,000	$7,600,000	$0	$5,733,333	$5,733,333	$2,866,667	$4,733,332

Also, we wouldn't have the full cap if we buyout Mrzarek like we would have if we bought out Marleau.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

So you are saying mrazek is not the only goalie teams are trying to dump? That should make it more difficult. No?

I do like your idea of mrazek + hirovinen for varlamov. Not sure if Lou would help out the Leafs though.

It's basically a goaltending carousel around the league this year. Outside of Vasi, Hellebuyck, Shesterkin and Saros, pretty much every goalie around the league has asterisks. It's just going to come down to how much of the cap teams are willing to gamble. Like Gibson for example.

Lou and Dubas have made trades in the past. That trade helps the Isles save 1.2M and gives them a decent B prospect. Lou's cap situation is not great. Dobson and Bellows are up for raises and they need to sign 3 D men with 12 M in space this year. Then next year Barzal will likely be getting around 10M on his next contract and if they re sign Mayfield, he will be getting a raise.

 

[hotpaws]

It's basically a goaltending carousel around the league this year. Outside of Vasi, Hellebuyck, Shesterkin and Saros, pretty much every goalie around the league has asterisks. It's just going to come down to how much of the cap teams are willing to gamble. Like Gibson for example.

Lou and Dubas have made trades in the past. That trade helps the Isles save 1.2M and gives them a decent B prospect. Lou's cap situation is not great. Dobson and Bellows are up for raises and they need to sign 3 D men with 12 M in space this year. Then next year Barzal will likely be getting around 10M on his next contract and if they re sign Mayfield, he will be getting a raise.

Teams don't help each other out and the Islanders shouldn't have much trouble moving Varly even if it's just for futures . They aren't taking back a injury prone useless goalie to save 1.2 m and have him on the books for an extra year when they can sign a b/u ufa goalie and save over 3m .

Mzarek is our problem and people acting like we can spin him as a quality goalie who just had an off season to get someone to bite on a trade without adding a large sweetener are fooling themselves especially since the obvious question by the other team would be why don't we just keep him instead of looking for another goalie ,

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Teams don't help each other out and the Islanders shouldn't have much trouble moving Varly even if it's just for futures . They aren't taking back a injury prone useless goalie to save 1.2 m and have him on the books for an extra year when they can sign a b/u ufa goalie and save over 3m .

Mzarek is our problem and people acting like we can spin him as a quality goalie who just had an off season to get someone to bite on a trade without adding a large sweetener are fooling themselves especially since the obvious question by the other team would be why don't we just keep him instead of looking for another goalie ,

How do they not help each other out? That's how trades work. Need for Need. He probably could get more for Varly, but he doesn't have a ton of value anymore either. He is also injury prone, he's 34 yrs old making 5M and just had a season where his sv% dipped to .911. Varly hasn't played more than 50 games in 4 yrs.

Mrazek very well could continue his poor play or continue to have injury issues especially now that he is 30 but this year based on his career numbers does look like a one off and as I stated earlier, he can serve a purpose like bring teams to the cap floor. For example, if the Yotes need to get to the floor, they take Mrazeks cap hit, we save money to pursue say a Gibson, since we are a team looking for a deep playoff run and possibly have a cheap backup like Woll. I still don't necessarily see that as a winning combo but the parody around the league when it comes to goalies as well as the cap isn't in our favor. Unless we can draft and develop a Hellebuyck kind of goalie, we are going to have question marks for a while.

 

[rocketman588]

Also, we wouldn't have the full cap if we buyout Mrzarek like we would have if we bought out Marleau.

Thats still a good fourth liner/good third in cap used. I would rather just bury him in the AHL and have it on the books for two years if we're going to buyout

How do they not help each other out? That's how trades work. Need for Need. He probably could get more for Varly, but he doesn't have a ton of value anymore either. He is also injury prone, he's 34 yrs old making 5M and just had a season where his sv% dipped to .911. Varly hasn't played more than 50 games in 4 yrs.

Mrazek very well could continue his poor play or continue to have injury issues especially now that he is 30 but this year based on his career numbers does look like a one off and as I stated earlier, he can serve a purpose like bring teams to the cap floor. For example, if the Yotes need to get to the floor, they take Mrazeks cap hit, we save money to pursue say a Gibson, since we are a team looking for a deep playoff run and possibly have a cheap backup like Woll. I still don't necessarily see that as a winning combo but the parody around the league when it comes to goalies as well as the cap isn't in our favor. Unless we can draft and develop a Hellebuyck kind of goalie, we are going to have question marks for a while.

Because they can dump him for a B list prospect without needing to take the cap hit