Despite major challanges, Kyle Dubas has passed the tests

[ToneDog]

Don't think we can afford him.

Yeah somebody will overpay for the numbers he put up. Can't wait to find out the solutions the Leaf brass comes up with this year. After watching our 35 year old local boy, Cogliano, I'd be interested and would offer 2 years @ 900K. Great on the PK and would work nice with Kampf on the 4th line.

 

[Menzinger]

Guaranteeing nylander he wont be traded as long as he is gm is a fireable offense

If a deal is on the table that makes us better and gives us a chanceto win a cup then you have to do it no matter who the players are

Worth noting that actually didn't happen. Friedman reported/clarified that Nylander comment regarding trades was referring to the immediate aftermath of the contract signing. Not the duration of the entire contract. Dubas' essentially told the Nylander camp he wasnt planning to do a sign and trade

 

[ShaneFalco]

Marchment does bring what we lack (especially with Simmonds and Cliffy banished to the pressbox). Hopefully he can bring in both elements and a goalie who can regularly stop some pucks,

Simmonds will play because Dubas is nice

 

[ToneDog]

Simmonds will play because Dubas is nice

The Simmonds experiment is another failure and should be over. Perry wanted to be a Leaf and was the guy to sign. The guy plays on the PP, scores 20, and is a big shit disturber. Huge miss for Dubas.

 

[andora]

The Simmonds experiment is another failure and should be over. Perry wanted to be a Leaf and was the guy to sign. The guy plays on the PP, scores 20, and is a big shit disturber. Huge miss for Dubas.

Perry was wanting to come here? when, after dallas? or after montreal?

 

[ToneDog]

Perry was wanting to come here? when, after dallas? or after montreal?

After Dallas. On the night they lost to Montreal, Kyper and Brady said he begged Leafs to sign him. Instead Leafs went with Simmonds at 2x the cap hit. Believe it or not.

Edit: Found the podcast. 14m10s Caution may cause headaches.

The Playoff Show- Monday, May 31, 2021 - 640 Toronto

The Toronto Maple Leafs' first round series against the Montreal Canadiens has come to an unfortunate end for Toronto's team. Greg Brady is joined by Stanley Cup winner, Nick Kypreos and voice of the London Knights on CFPL 980, Mike Stubbs, to discuss what led to the loss, the highs and lows...

omny.fm

 

[hotpaws]

Worth noting that actually didn't happen. Friedman reported/clarified that Nylander comment regarding trades was referring to the immediate aftermath of the contract signing. Not the duration of the entire contract. Dubas' essentially told the Nylander camp he wasnt planning to do a sign and trade

as per Mark Masters , Dec 3 2018

In his first session with the Toronto media since signing a new contract, William Nylander revealed that general manager Kyle Dubas pledged to him on multiple occasions that as long as he's running the Maple Leafs, the Swede won't be traded.

"I don't know why that's a surprise," Dubas said. "I've been on the record as saying that ... it's our intention to have him here as long as we're here. He’s an excellent young player. I don’t think we want to get in the business of not having excellent young players so that’s how we feel about it."

 

[ShaneFalco]

as per Mark Masters , Dec 3 2018

In his first session with the Toronto media since signing a new contract, William Nylander revealed that general manager Kyle Dubas pledged to him on multiple occasions that as long as he's running the Maple Leafs, the Swede won't be traded.

"I don't know why that's a surprise," Dubas said. "I've been on the record as saying that ... it's our intention to have him here as long as we're here. He’s an excellent young player. I don’t think we want to get in the business of not having excellent young players so that’s how we feel about it."

Thats the sign of a great GM right there. Because we know he's loyal to a fault

 

[egd27]

Shanny was an inexperienced President and that leads to making bad decisions

Yea, he was smart enough to entice some experienced successful people to right the ship at first, then he decided to go with inexperience. Seems odd to me.

 

[Racer88]

Yea, he was smart enough to entice some experienced successful people to right the ship at first, then he decided to go with inexperience. Seems odd to me.

Sure makes you wonder what Dubas has on him

Thats the sign of a great GM right there. Because we know he's loyal to a fault

That’s the sign of a good person but a bad GM. This is a business and if you can do something to make it better you are beholding to do it

 

[Menzinger]

as per Mark Masters , Dec 3 2018

In his first session with the Toronto media since signing a new contract, William Nylander revealed that general manager Kyle Dubas pledged to him on multiple occasions that as long as he's running the Maple Leafs, the Swede won't be traded.

"I don't know why that's a surprise," Dubas said. "I've been on the record as saying that ... it's our intention to have him here as long as we're here. He’s an excellent young player. I don’t think we want to get in the business of not having excellent young players so that’s how we feel about it."

In Dubas' own words "it's our intention to have him here as long as we're here"

That's a very different meaning than "I will never ever consider trading Nylander".

 

[Trapper]

In Dubas' own words "it's our intention to have him here as long as we're here"

That's a very different meaning than "I will never ever consider trading Nylander".

Dubas is in for a penny, in for a pound. Don’t seem him ever pulling a deal for the 4.
It’s not about the fans anymore, it’s chasing the we can and we will white whale now.

That press conference wasn’t about us at all. If Shanahan wanted to restore the franchise for the fans, that’s gone for ego. We either win or go down with them.

He either makes progress this year or I hope it’s the last straw.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Sure makes you wonder what Dubas has on him


That’s the sign of a good person but a bad GM. This is a business and if you can do something to make it better you are beholding to do it

That was facetious - he's a weak, poor GM

 

[Menzinger]

Dubas is in for a penny, in for a pound. Don’t seem him ever pulling a deal for the 4.
It’s not about the fans anymore, it’s chasing the we can and we will white whale now.

That press conference wasn’t about us at all. If Shanahan wanted to restore the franchise for the fans, that’s gone for ego. We either win or go down with them.

He either makes progress this year or I hope it’s the last straw.

I also dont think he plans on trading any of the core - the front offices future obviously depends on getting some sustained tangible playoff success and that leads to them to want to double down on their high skilled guys and retooling cores can take years.

What I don't think has anything to do with that is this allegation of Dubas' promising not to trade guys. That's not what they're still here; they're still here because high skilled talent which is hard to find and hard to replace.

Edit: I also think this experiment ends one way or the other next offseason. It either leads to that sustained deep run. Or it flops and then anything goes in terms of changes

 

[Apex Predator]

Time has proven this was the best option if the 1st couldn't be changed.

And it wouldn't have been for scraps. Their value was highest that off season.

At that time Kappy and Johnson were at there highest value. He waited to trade a both years later when their value dropped. That was not good asset management. I get that it’s hindsight but everyone already knew at that time those guys were going to have to be traded at some point.

 

[andora]

After Dallas. On the night they lost to Montreal, Kyper and Brady said he begged Leafs to sign him. Instead Leafs went with Simmonds at 2x the cap hit. Believe it or not.

Edit: Found the podcast. 14m10s Caution may cause headaches.

The Playoff Show- Monday, May 31, 2021 - 640 Toronto

The Toronto Maple Leafs' first round series against the Montreal Canadiens has come to an unfortunate end for Toronto's team. Greg Brady is joined by Stanley Cup winner, Nick Kypreos and voice of the London Knights on CFPL 980, Mike Stubbs, to discuss what led to the loss, the highs and lows...

omny.fm

You gotta be f'n kidding me

That was a mistake and on my life i would have said it then too

That was a bad decision

 

[hotpaws]

In Dubas' own words "it's our intention to have him here as long as we're here"

That's a very different meaning than "I will never ever consider trading Nylander".

so when Willie said Dubas pledged to him multiple times he wouldn't trade him while he was GM and Dubas confirmed it without saying the exact same words you think that's your opening to spin it to he "just said he wouldn't sign and then trade him" ?

 

[Trapper]

At that time Kappy and Johnson were at there highest value. He waited to trade a both years later when their value dropped. That was not good asset management. I get that it’s hindsight but everyone already knew at that time those guys were going to have to be traded at some point.

The sad part is we probably would have been better off with a failure 3 years ago for the good of today.
Keep Marleau, trade the others.
Tampa failed and got Drouin (for Sergechev), Colorado failed and got Makar, Carolina drafted Svechnikov, and the teams also acquired more picks while we traded them away.

 

[socko]

We would have been better off without Dubas. I'm convinced he could screw up anything. We could have won the McDavid and Matthews lotteries back-to-back, which we almost did, and he would have screwed it up.

 

[Menzinger]

so when Willie said Dubas pledged to him multiple times he wouldn't trade him while he was GM and Dubas confirmed it without saying the exact same words you think that's your opening to spin it to he "just said he wouldn't sign and then trade him" ?

I don't think Nylander paraphrasing what Dubas' said is proof of anything - it's just a second hand interpretation of what happened in a private meeting. And Dubas' didn't confirm anything he literally said something very different - that he didn't intend/plan to trade Nylander, not that he'd never trade Nylander.

I also don't think a quote to the media that happened almost half a decade ago at this point as any barring to the team today. I like Nylander and would hope the team doesn't trade him, but the idea that Dubas' wouldn't consider a trade because of something said in 2018 is simply absurd.

Too many people in this fan base fixate and obsess on these one off media quotes from years ago. It's time to move on lol

 

[ToneDog]

You gotta be f'n kidding me

That was a mistake and on my life i would have said it then too

That was a bad decision

Lots of bad decisions that off season. Sigh.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Dubas is in for a penny, in for a pound. Don’t seem him ever pulling a deal for the 4.
It’s not about the fans anymore, it’s chasing the we can and we will white whale now.

That press conference wasn’t about us at all. If Shanahan wanted to restore the franchise for the fans, that’s gone for ego. We either win or go down with them.

He either makes progress this year or I hope it’s the last straw.

Absolutely. Management's ego has superceded any fans' concerns. They don't care for the fans at all.

 

[hotpaws]

I don't think Nylander paraphrasing what Dubas' said is proof of anything - it's just a second hand interpretation of what happened in a private meeting. And Dubas' didn't confirm anything he literally said something very different - that he didn't intend/plan to trade Nylander, not that he'd never trade Nylander.

I also don't think a quote to the media that happened almost half a decade ago at this point as any barring to the team today. I like Nylander and would hope the team doesn't trade him, but the idea that Dubas' wouldn't consider a trade because of something said in 2018 is simply absurd.

Too many people in this fan base fixate and obsess on these one off media quotes from years ago. It's time to move on lol

can you please stop with the spin and take your own advice and stop obsessing over trying to defend everything Dubas says and does ?

the only upside if the team fails again is Dubas will be gone and his small group of followers will be gone with him so i will never have to read again how trading for Foligno among other crap moves was a great trade "at that time"

Absolutely. Management's ego has superceded any fans' concerns. They don't care for the fans at all.

all they care about is their jobs and stroking their ego's

 

[capfit9]

I see we're back to pretending that the rebuild wasn't long, long done by 2018, in an attempt to blame the crippling cap anchor and its resulting impacts on the guy who was forced to deal with it instead of the guy who made the stupid signing in the first place.

cause only the other guy gives bad contracts. see Ritchie & Mrazek

 

[Dreakmur]

cause only the other guy gives bad contracts. see Ritchie & Mrazek

I guess if the rebuild was done in 2018, this team was built by Lou?