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Despite major challanges, Kyle Dubas has passed the tests

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Racer88 said:
Fair enough. That’s kind of where I’m at on Matthews as well. One thing for sure it’s going to be interesting
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it very well could be. but I cant imagine if Matthews is interested in re-signing it would take very long.
Ok Auston how much would you like?
okay.....okay
Would you like that in cash?
 
I think you can say that Dubas has done some good stuff. He's also a good public speaker and can say the right things. But saying he's passed his tests is really bizarre. No he hasn't. The test is winning in the playoffs and they haven't won a single round yet. They were a playoff team when he was given the keys. Can certainly say he's improved the team in various spots since he took over. But it still drives the same distance as before.

He's got to put a team on the ice that can win when it counts. Until then he hasn't passed anything. Not that he doesn't have hope of passing. But he's running out of chances.
 
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myleafs said:
oh is that all? lol
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Yep. The goaltending going into next year is obviously the biggest issue, but besides that there's not much you can do to improve this team. The team offense, and special teams were top-5, and the team defense was probably just outside the top-5.

They were the better team, and arguably the best team in the league, and they couldn't get it done. It really boils down to the fact they can't win when it counts.
 
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PromisedLand said:
In May 2018 he was named the GM; it is May 2022 now

you talking about the final project? Some folks started their undergrad and completed their 4 year degrees already :laugh:
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Ok so he's still working to finish his thesis project over the summer. Final results should be in next spring, these experiments take time.
 
Keefe is the guy that needs to go in my opinion. Coaches have been fired for less.

If Dubas can’t make the hard decisions like firing Keefe or trading a core player then he can go too.

At the end of the off-season if he determines the best move is to run it back with the same core and same coach, that’s fine but to not even entertain the idea?

Bruins probably come back with the same core and coach but if you listened to their presser it seemed like everyone was on the hot seat and everyone was being held accountable.
 
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Gary Nylund said:
Not sure how you did that. Someone told me just the other day that the archives don't go back as far as they used to and I just did a search, the oldest thread I could find about JT was this:

News Article: - NHL Network Top 20 Centers (4: Matthews, 10: Tavares)

#NHLTopPlayers: Top 20 Centers The most accurate and definitive list on the planet. It is basically gospel and cannot be challenged.
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This of course was not long after the signing, the tone of the posts is quite positive from what I read (though I didn't read it all).

The way I remember it, the overall feeling when he signed was that people were thrilled. Not just a little bit positive, but thrilled. If you can use the search function better than I can than please give us a link and we can settle this once and for all.

I went through that thread I did find, I couldn't find one post that sounded even a little bit negative re. JT, here is an example of some posts that give an idea of the positive vibes at the time:



We have two top 10 centers in the league. One isn't 21 for 6 more weeks. Our 3rd line center is one of 8 centers to score 30 goals each of the past 2 years AND the main boards are salty AF. The Ballard curse isn't just over - it's in reverse! :thumbu:
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Yeah the mainboards are losing their minds. Its not even just us who are claiming we have two top centres anymore, its the NHL Network lol. Ask people on the mainboards on where Matthews should be ranked and they'll tell you 30th and below with a straight face.
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Irrational jealously, nothing more.
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Forget Matthews, even Tavares at 10 is some huge crime. Tavares was unanimously considered a top 10 C here before last season and many had him top 5.

That mainboards thread is another thread that will get bumped by Leaf fans when Matthews and Tavares are inevitably having terrific seasons. I can't wait to see the reactions then.
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Scheifele over Tavares, Stamkos gave me a good laugh.
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My first reaction to reading the thread title was: "well this will make the main board, and that special portion of the Leafs fanbase, upset for reasons that cannot quantify....just like last year."
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Tavares is better than Seguin.


So what would you do if you were the GM? Which players are the problem that we need to get rid of?
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To access I just searched posts by me subject Tavares on this forum and it took me back to 2013 posts

Here is pre-signing"

Speculation: - John Tavares' Pending Unrestricted Free Agency

Some of these guys haven't seen the second round yet and they think they are worthy of 10 - 12 million dollars of cap space? I blame that idiot in Edmonton. Should have played hardball with McJesus and that German guy... now every player that gets between 70-90 points will want franchise...
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This euphoric thread is after the signing, You could call people hypocrites for raving then and not now, but once the signing is done why dump on it? He did give us the one killer year.

Confirmed with Link: - Tavares to Toronto (7 years, $11M AAV)

Meh, its an OK signing.... i guess?
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Okay here was my take on a Tavares sign back then repeated various ways in various threads.

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Eternal Leaf said:
His wingers are complete trash in NY.

Imagine what he could do with Marner on his wing.
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He has wilted back to a ppg and is now second in scoring to Barzal. Not saying he isn't an upgrade in the 2-3 C spot but do you pay a guy less than a ppg 10-11M per year? In a non cap environment its a no brainer, but they could be paying a 60pt center$11M per year for 8 more years. I don't think he can earn that contract in Toronto. With a club like Montreal. who has no other quality top C they would run the wheels off of him and feel happy about it because their other C cost them 10 cents. With the Leafs, who could have a 40g #1 and a 30g #3 I'm not sure they get full value for a Tavares deal, and with the usual NM attached they are screwed for years because of that commitment. Pass, unless they think they will never have a D worth spending that money on. It's a cap world people.


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Sorry about the below. I did some kind of voodoo double entry. While I was just pondering my sage assessment of a JT signing I also found where I said they got the better guy over Stamkos and that nobody will pay RFA Marner more than $6.5M :) I can't find the dunce cap emoji but feel free to picture it here.



 
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Morgs said:
Yep. The goaltending going into next year is obviously the biggest issue, but besides that there's not much you can do to improve this team. The team offense, and special teams were top-5, and the team defense was probably just outside the top-5.

They were the better team, and arguably the best team in the league, and they couldn't get it done. It really boils down to the fact they can't win when it counts.
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how can you be the best team in the league and not get it done? That doesnt make sense to me...that sentence by defination means you are not the best in the league. Not much to improve the team? Thats sounds like something Shanny and Dubas were trying to sell us.....how bout a 4th line that plays a role and has a purpose, how bout a bonafide #1 goalie who can shut it down when they need to?

How about not allocating half the salary to 4 similar style forwards? How bout a little bit of sandpaper especially in the core 4....around the edges is fine and all but imo you have to have some sandpaper in some of your top guys. Matthews showed improvement in that area but not there yet. If your top guys arent like that then you make sure the bottom 2 lines are. Leafs are good even very good but making a series of it in round 1 doesnt equate to best in the league by a long shot imo. Resting on their laurels and thinking they are the best and just have bad luck is more heartbreak just waiting to happen
 
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nuck said:
This euphoric thread is after the signing, You could call people hypocrites for raving then and not now, but once the signing is done why dump on it? He did give us the one killer year.

Okay here was my take on a Tavares sign back then repeated various ways in various threads.
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That was my whole point - the reaction to him signing was euphoric. You say I could call them hypocrites - of course, that's exactly what they are.

As far as why dump on it - why not? People dump on trades they don't like all the time. But almost everyone liked the trade.

As far as your take goes, if you were wary of signing him then hey good for you, as it turns out, you were one of the smart ones. I still think it was a good signing at the time though. We couldn't count on Kadri and if we didn't sign JT, we'd be pretty thin at centre. This signing gave us an immediate, significant talent boost and while he was likely to decline after a few years, the decision to live with that was more than reasonable IMHO. We've probably gotten more or less fair value out of him so far and will probably get less than that going forward but not so bad really and if it wasn't for covid screwing the cap, the problem would be even less significant.
 
myleafs said:
Except that the leafs looked in total control after 4 games. I was convinced they couldnt lose to the habs and said so to family and friends. I would have bet the house on it if I had a house. Up 3-1 and dominating and your blaming tavares going down in the 1st game as the reason they lost? The 1st game sure that makes sense but not when they were up 3-1 and looking dominant.
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Did you happen to catch the following 2 games?
If you did, you know the exact 3 reasons for the losses:

Price to get the games into Overtime.
Dermott with a terrible giveaway leading to a goal in overtime
A bad goal scored on Campbell to lose the 2nd overtime game


It's hard to blame the GM when a player coughs up the puck in OT, and when your goalie lets in a soft goal in another overtime.

Game 7 was the bad one of the series.

However, the team doesn't need games 5, 6, 7 if they win game 1. Although they weren't outplayed in game 1, it was the game that Price had the least effect on.


I'm not sure if people actually watch the games, but just peruse the box scores the next day, with some of the comments I thrown around.
 
pcruz said:
Did you happen to catch the following 2 games?
If you did, you know the exact 3 reasons for the losses:

Price to get the games into Overtime.
Dermott with a terrible giveaway leading to a goal in overtime
A bad goal scored on Campbell to lose the 2nd overtime game


It's hard to blame the GM when a player coughs up the puck in OT, and when your goalie lets in a soft goal in another overtime.

Game 7 was the bad one of the series.

However, the team doesn't need games 5, 6, 7 if they win game 1. Although they weren't outplayed in game 1, it was the game that Price had the least effect on.


I'm not sure if people actually watch the games, but just peruse the box scores the next day, with some of the comments I thrown around.
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Agree with this.

The team that scores the first goal of the game is 138-46 (75%) in all-time Game 7s - Campbell has let in a weak goal to open back to back game 7s. Many people are underestimating how much impact one bad goal has at the wrong time.
 
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