Jimson Hogarth*
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Staged fights, like the majority of Dorsett's fights are lame.
Dorsett fighting John Scott and Scott appearing to feel sorry for him is lame.
Needing Dan Hamhuis to jump into your scrap is lame.
being 6-11 in games where Dorsett fights is LAME.
Dorsett fighting John Scott and Scott appearing to feel sorry for him is lame.
Needing Dan Hamhuis to jump into your scrap is lame.
being 6-11 in games where Dorsett fights is LAME.
Not to mention seeing Maroon dodge Kassian and then turn around to beat the crap out of Dorsett.
The worst one was the one in CBJ that fired them up after we were up like 3-0.
Jimson Hogarth*
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No i am using the fact that they traded for a guy who had 10 fights in a season to suggest they had a fighter.
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His Rangers season last yr looks like the outlier in terms of his production.
His last 4 seasons in CBJ he put up 60 pts in 228 games. : 0.26 PPG .. about 22 pts/season...
And obviously with us he put up a 26 pt pace.
I think considering his usage here, and the fact he'll still have his most common teammates around, he could easily maintain the output.
Our team looks to be set pretty deep once with the likes of Higgins, Hansen, Horvat, Prust, Kenins, Vey patrolling the bottom 6 as his surrounding talent. I don't recall him playing much with Matthias/Richardson/Kassian... so losing them may not effect his output much.
It's a fair expectation.
And for what it's worth the Canucks were 23-10-3 in those games.
(i see our counts were one off).
His possession numbers look sub-par on paper... but it didn't effect team wins or his production or his plus minus any when his minutes went up.
The use of corsi etc are supposed to part of the equation.. not the whole picture.
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Jimson Hogarth*
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And 20+pts is pretty good for a 4th liner.
There really shouldn't be much to complain about Dorsett. His contract and ice-time is on Benning/Willie.
Put this here. Didn't realize it was the Virtanen thread.
They traded him for his physicality not his fighting ability. To show that, he only had one fight with the Hawks in 33 games.
Losing Dorsett for Kenins is not a big deal. Kenis can do the same thing Dorsett can do but better. Kenis doesn't need to fight. Fighting is almost meaningless now.
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I like Kenins a lot and have a lot of high hopes for him but I don't think it's very accurate to assume he can take Dorsett's spot right now. He's played like what, 1/3 of a season? I'm all for giving him the chances next year to bolster it but Ronnie Hockey hasn't proven that he's better than Dorsett at this time.
Also I think a lot of us forget that Kenins is 24 going on 25. He's not really that young, DD is 29. I would be more persuaded to replace DD with Kenins if Ronnie was significantly younger but we also have to remember he's 5 years older than Horvat. He may still technically be a prospect but he's the same age as Sbisa.
Nucks should be giving young players an opportunity. Having Kenins take Dorsett's spot could easily be done. He is better offensively than Dorsett. Besides fighting, what does Dorsett offer than Kenins can't?
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By the end of last season Kenins was fading. Wasn't that physical. At this point couldn't match half of Dorsetts fights.
thepuckmonster
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How is Kenins better offensively? He's going a good shot but he hasn't proven he's better offensively than DD, and its not that hard of feat to do.
Better shot, better offensive instincts and faster.
Again, what does Dorsett offer than Kenins can't do besides fighting?
Dorsett is historically a better possession player. In this instance the analytics crowd has chosen the smaller sample to go by, though. I wonder why?
Hope you're not labelling me as a member of the analytics crowd scurr. I have a very basic knowledge of them, but the eye test told me the Dorsett story, and they're backed up by his metrics on this team. That's relevant, not his possession numbers in legit 4th line usage under one of the best NHL coaches in New York.
Can't cycle, he actually kills the cycle (why I don't want him paired with JV), but he back checks his mistakes "real hard".
Can't cycle, he actually kills the cycle (why I don't want him paired with JV), but he back checks his mistakes "real hard".
He's matched Dorsett's career playoff production in 5 games vs 43 games.
His small sample of offense (30 games) he's produced at a higher rate than Dorsett's career total, and his career best season (last season here in a contract year).
He played the season well below his career average. I think if you had a similar veteran player that wasn't such a lightening rod, you'd have people talking about how he was tied to a rookie center (Horvat or Vey) almost the entire year 5 on 5.
624 of 866 minutes (72%)
No, I don't consider you a part of that crowd.
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Jimson Hogarth*
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Not sure Kenins has the chops to play a physical game in the NHL for the entire season.
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You mean when he was partnered with 3rd liners rather than 4th liners he faired better?
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He's a 45.8% Corsi player over the last 4 seasons and when he's on the bench his teams have been 50.6%. He has been a poor possession player for his whole career.
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Look at the minutes he was getting in Columbus. 15-16 minutes a night including PP time for his last 2 years (which were his most prolific). Scoring at a 20 point pace with 2nd/3rd line minutes is hardly something to write home about.
We should be getting younger so I have no problem giving him a chance to show he can. In 30 games he was better than Dorsett last year.
