Player Discussion Denis Gurianov - "Change of scenery edition"

[SlafySZN]

Guys go take a peak at the Stars board before you make fools of yourselves. Hes a known quantity, and hes just not good. Not every player we get is a steal. Blind homerism is just as bad blind hate.

The hope is that he can establish himself as a bottom 6 offensive specialist that brings speed and size.

I’ll appreciate what my own eyes saw instead of peaking on another team’s board.

If you wanna judge the guy like that, that’s you, though.

 

[Mrb1p]

I’ll appreciate what my own eyes saw instead of peaking on another team’s board.

If you wanna judge the guy like that, that’s you, though.

Eh, moving 2348 kms north-east didnt make him forget all his weaknesses. Your first sentence is just another way of saying youre a homer.

 

[Schooner Guy]

Guys go take a peak at the Stars board before you make fools of yourselves. Hes a known quantity, and hes just not good. Not every player we get is a steal. Blind homerism is just as bad blind hate.

The hope is that he can establish himself as a bottom 6 offensive specialist that brings speed and size.

I'd feel more like a fool if I used a Hockey Futures team board as a source to assess a player but maybe that's just me.

 

[SlafySZN]

Eh, moving 2348 kms north-east didnt make him forget all his weaknesses. Your first sentence is just another way of saying youre a homer.

Ok so i guess i’m a homer because i watched the game and appreciated what i saw.

Maybe i should go to the dallas stars board so they can dictate my thoughts. After all, watching a player is overrated when you can go on another team’s board and form an opinion with what they say.

 

[PhysicX]

Ok so i guess i’m a homer because i watched the game and appreciated what i saw.

Maybe i should go to the dallas stars board so they can dictate my thoughts. After all, watching a player is overrated when you can go on another team’s board and form an opinion with what they say.

Sample size is extremely important.

Anyhow, I don't expect much from Gurianov, and talks about signing him after one freaking game against a depleted and tanking SJS team is laughable.

I recall many players making a splash in the first few games or months of their stint in Montreal, only to sign a contract and disappear to their abysmal selves again.

 

[Redux91]

Can't we just sign him for 1 year? Make him earn another contract. It's not like he's currently worth his salary anyway he would probably accept the deal.

1 year is fine as well, i just prefer to capitalize on the RFA status
Either way, i believe this guy is found money

 

[BLONG7]

Sample size is extremely important.

Anyhow, I don't expect much from Gurianov, and talks about signing him after one freaking game against a depleted and tanking SJS team is laughable.

I recall many players making a splash in the first few games or months of their stint in Montreal, only to sign a contract and disappear to their abysmal selves again.

Absolutely..............the last 20 plus games should be enough to see where he is, so to speak......................can the trade make him a better player, along with MSL helping him?
As Hughes once said, Trust the Process, and relying on MSL to help these kids make sense to me, especially when we all know what it did for Caufield.
It was a no brainer type of gamble, Dadonov was awful, and was not getting an offer, this is just a trial of 20 plus games, to see if this kid can bring it....................his hockey future is in his own hands.

 

[Mrb1p]

Absolutely..............the last 20 plus games should be enough to see where he is, so to speak......................can the trade make him a better player, along with MSL helping him?
As Hughes once said, Trust the Process, and relying on MSL to help these kids make sense to me, especially when we all know what it did for Caufield.
It was a no brainer type of gamble, Dadonov was awful, and was not getting an offer, this is just a trial of 20 plus games, to see if this kid can bring it....................his hockey future is in his own hands.

Lets be honest, Caufield was gonna be good anyway. All MSL did is trust him and give him opportunity.

 

[Redux91]

Sample size is extremely important.

Anyhow, I don't expect much from Gurianov, and talks about signing him after one freaking game against a depleted and tanking SJS team is laughable.

I recall many players making a splash in the first few games or months of their stint in Montreal, only to sign a contract and disappear to their abysmal selves again.

In SuzukiSZN's defense
Why do you REALLY think they traded for Gurianov tho..?

I get the "want to sign him after 1 game" seems like exaggeration to you and others, i get that, when we compartmentalize it that way its like "whoa whoa show me more"

But BUT, the BIG picture question remains.. why did they trade for him if not for the "big" possibility that they might sign him "anyway"

For me, that nugget of information is why i talk about him as "already getting a contract" over "waste of space reclamation project we were never signing"
I'm not knocking your glass half empty approach to it and im certainly not saying my glass half full approach is the correct view
I just think we didn't just get him for "nothing" you know

 

[26Mats]

Lets be honest, Caufield was gonna be good anyway. All MSL did is trust him and give him opportunity.

So far that's what MSL is doing with Gurianov.

 

[BLONG7]

Lets be honest, Caufield was gonna be good anyway. All MSL did is trust him and give him opportunity.

Caufield had 1 goal in 35 games under Ducherme...................absolutely crazy. If they do not fire Ducherme who knows?

 

[ChesterNimitz]

1 year is fine as well, i just prefer to capitalize on the RFA status
Either way, i believe this guy is found money

Boy, with him, Ylonen and the return of Guhle, we really have amped up the speed median of our team. Fun to watch.

 

[Redux91]

Lets be honest, Caufield was gonna be good anyway. All MSL did is trust him and give him opportunity.

Huh, which is exactly what seems like he's gonna be doing for Gurianov as well..
Weird how that seems to be what most top 15 1st round draft picks usually need to really thrive..

Maybe Guri will be "was gonna be good anyway" with it? Let's. See.

 

[themilosh]

The best we can hope for is him playing lights out, then we qualify him for 1 year.

If he continues to play lights out Hugo can trade him for a kings ransom next year at the TDL if we are not in playoff contention.

Or hugo signs him this year to a 4 x 1.9m contract. Which again is both tradeable and valuable. Either way this asset is much brtter than dado.

 

[1909]

Ok, so I was very impressed by his first game. If he plays like that on a consistent basis, he can be a first liner.

I would be quite happy if he becomes a mid-six winger.

 

[Mrb1p]

Huh, which is exactly what seems like he's gonna be doing for Gurianov as well..
Weird how that seems to be what most top 15 1st round draft picks usually need to really thrive..

Maybe Guri will be "was gonna be good anyway" with it? Let's. See.

Gurianov is 26. Hes as likely to breakout as Drouin. Hes been given everything he could get at the moment to be good, no matter his ceiling at the draft.

His most played with over the last three seasons are Seguin and Benn. Hes played top 6, hes played PP.

 

[PhysicX]

In SuzukiSZN's defense
Why do you REALLY think they traded for Gurianov tho..?

I get the "want to sign him after 1 game" seems like exaggeration to you and others, i get that, when we compartmentalize it that way its like "whoa whoa show me more"

But BUT, the BIG picture question remains.. why did they trade for him if not for the "big" possibility that they might sign him "anyway"

For me, that nugget of information is why i talk about him as "already getting a contract" over "waste of space reclamation project we were never signing"
I'm not knocking your glass half empty approach to it and im certainly not saying my glass half full approach is the correct view
I just think we didn't just get him for "nothing" you know

Gurianov is a reclamation project which will get a real hard look by management. I agree with you management would prefer the path of signature over the opposite option.

I'm just keeping my two feet on the group and remaining realistic here. Over thirty years of Habs fandom made me this way. The small sample size of Gurianov this season will not trump what he's previously shown in Dallas, IF he plays well.
Too many variables (team playing with no pressure, honeymoon period, etc.) as well as precedents lead me to see the glass mostly empty in Gurianov's case.

I'm honestly losing faith in this organization, and my fandom is at an all-time low. What happens in the upcoming months with the Habs will dictate whether I remain a fan of a hockey team or not.

 

[Redux91]

Gurianov is 26. Hes as likely to breakout as Drouin. Hes been given everything he could get at the moment to be good, no matter his ceiling at the draft.

His most played with over the last three seasons are Seguin and Benn. Hes played top 6, hes played PP.

Fair enough, let's see how things shake out

Gurianov is a reclamation project which will get a real hard look by management. I agree with you management would prefer the path of signature over the opposite option.

I'm just keeping my two feet on the group and remaining realistic here. Over thirty years of Habs fandom made me this way. The small sample size of Gurianov this season will not trump what he's previously shown in Dallas, IF he plays well.
Too many variables (team playing with no pressure, honeymoon period, etc.) as well as precedents lead me to see the glass mostly empty in Gurianov's case.

I'm honestly losing faith in this organization, and my fandom is at an all-time low. What happens in the upcoming months with the Habs will dictate whether I remain a fan of a hockey team or not.

Fair enough, let's see how things shake out, lol

 

[FF de Mars]

One of the reasons the Stars signed Radulov was to help mentor Gurianov - knowing he was coming over to North America for 17-18 season.

As for Dadonov, he’s a known entity w DeBoer having played & performed under him in Fla & Vegas

He had a good mentor.

 

[SlafySZN]

Sample size is extremely important.

Anyhow, I don't expect much from Gurianov, and talks about signing him after one freaking game against a depleted and tanking SJS team is laughable.

I recall many players making a splash in the first few games or months of their stint in Montreal, only to sign a contract and disappear to their abysmal selves again.

All i saw is people saying they liked what they saw in yesterday’s game and that he had potential. Nothing more. What’s wrong with that?

And the habs needs players for the time they’re in the rebuild, so yes they’ll probably sign him.

 

[BLONG7]

In SuzukiSZN's defense
Why do you REALLY think they traded for Gurianov tho..?

I get the "want to sign him after 1 game" seems like exaggeration to you and others, i get that, when we compartmentalize it that way its like "whoa whoa show me more"

But BUT, the BIG picture question remains.. why did they trade for him if not for the "big" possibility that they might sign him "anyway"

For me, that nugget of information is why i talk about him as "already getting a contract" over "waste of space reclamation project we were never signing"
I'm not knocking your glass half empty approach to it and im certainly not saying my glass half full approach is the correct view
I just think we didn't just get him for "nothing" you know

They as in HuGo are consistant in their dealings..............it always seems to involve a 1st rounder.........as they continue to build a team, the amount of 1st rounders seem very important to them.
Once again, this is early in the process. Hughes has been on the job one year.

 

[Scriptor]

Absolutely..............the last 20 plus games should be enough to see where he is, so to speak......................can the trade make him a better player, along with MSL helping him?
As Hughes once said, Trust the Process, and relying on MSL to help these kids make sense to me, especially when we all know what it did for Caufield.
It was a no brainer type of gamble, Dadonov was awful, and was not getting an offer, this is just a trial of 20 plus games, to see if this kid can bring it....................his hockey future is in his own hands.

It's also possible that Caufield is much better than Gurianov to begin with, but we will see what St_louis and Nicolas can do with the Russian 25-yr-old...

 

[Durvann]

Del

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

MSL gave caufield much more than just *opportunity* btw, anybody who thinks otherwise clearly has not followed the way MSL has been coaching these kids in practice

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

So far that's what MSL is doing with Gurianov.

People act like Gurianov never had the opportuniy in Dallas to shine.
He was playing with Suzuki last night against a dumpster of a team with no defense.
Like @Mrb1p said , you don't trade an asset like that for Dadonov who is close to be a healthy scratch player for nothing.

Gurianov is clearly trying to impress at his first game. That doesn'T change the fact he's on pace for 3 goals this season.
Atleast 3 more than Drouin.

Also his QO is really bad. Id rather invest it somewhere else.