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[Mingus Dew]

If McDavid was on this team would we pay him 12.5?

Or too much tied up in one player?

 

[JD1]

If McDavid was on this team would we pay him 12.5?

Or too much tied up in one player?

the age difference makes this not really a valid comparison

 

[Mingus Dew]

the age difference makes this not really a valid comparison

Assume it away.

 

[JD1]

Assume it away.

it's kind of hard to just assume it away

the comparable would be we get Dahlin and he wins the Norris in his 19 year old season. He's eligible to sign July 1 after the Norris season.

The irony of that situation is we might have too much tied up in Karlsson were the Dahlin thing to happen

 

[Tuna99]

How did Ottawa "not pony up" for Methot?

They signed him to four year, 4.9M contract, at age 30???

What were the comments Turris made that prompted Ottawa to trade him?

Erik Karlsson is sick of seeing his friends getting traded, his comments were meant to send a message and probably had some emotion because of the Turris trade. How come Dorion can talk about negoatiations in the press and signing Turris or Karlsson but the players can't?

Melnyck is thinned skinned and a crybaby and took Karlsson's comments personally. This is why Ottawa is a gong show because the owner influences hockey decisions based on his paper thin ego.

 

[Engineer]

The trade of Turris has little to do with how the rumours surrounding the possibility of EK65 being traded.

Karlsson's comments came after the trade, you gas light so hard you actually delude yourself.

When you see a teammate and friend get traded because of ownership prying into the decision when they shouldn't be, you may lash out and say something stupid to the media, as Karlsson did.

 

[JD1]

Erik Karlsson is sick of seeing his friends getting traded, his comments were meant to send a message and probably had some emotion because of the Turris trade. How come Dorion can talk about negoatiations in the press and signing Turris or Karlsson but the players can't?

Melnyck is thinned skinned and a crybaby and took Karlsson's comments personally. This is why Ottawa is a gong show because the owner influences hockey decisions based on his paper thin ego.

Assuming Karlsson is sick of seeing his friends getting traded...that's just childish. He is a professional athlete and the turnover on teams is more or less constant.

Assuming you have no idea what Karlsson is sick of or not or no idea what message he actually meant to send or not send...your comment is childish

 

[Engineer]

He is a professional athlete

Which really doesn't mean much of anything as far as their "professionalism" goes when compared to a normal office job. Congratulations on being a professional athlete, your physical skills got you there, not your professional conduct abilities.

There are hundreds if not thousands of examples that show professional conduct is not required by athletes to remain employed, so don't lower yourself to basing your argument on them being "professional athletes".

 

[Micklebot]

Not going to argue with you about what you say Dorion said in the pre-season, concerning the then unsigned Turris. It sounds like the logical thing to say in that situation.

Are you suggesting that he should have told the media that they're having a hard time to come to a deal and that he's actively trying to trade Turris?

How would that have affected his negotiating position?

Wait... so now all the sudden Dorion might not tell the whole truth because it could impact his negotiating position? So how would saying openly that the team is shopping Karlsson affect his negotiating position? How would saying he doesn't intend to offer Karlsson a deal on Jul 1st impact his position? The guy has a history of painting to rosey pictures, take everything he say at face value at your own peril.

 

[Micklebot]

How did Ottawa "not pony up" for Methot?

They signed him to four year, 4.9M contract, at age 30???

What were the comments Turris made that prompted Ottawa to trade him?

We signed him at 4.9 at the expansion draft? News to me. Maybe read the whole sentence and you could actually respond to what he suggested instead of distracting with something irrelevant.

 

[Raym11]

I'd say Ottawa offers Karlsson 10-11 mil and he asks for 12. Eventually walks slowly being alienated by ownership.One of the best players of his era, multiple Norris' wins. You don't compare that guy to Bobby Ryan when it comes to being scared of a contract. You gamble every time.

Melnyk brought this mess on himself because he can't stop crying about money. He'd rather make money by not spending than he would by winning.

It's so simple, Karlsson is gone and you lose money, you pay him more and your chance of success makes your more. Does Melynk really want to lose Karlsson over what will end up being 1-2M of a difference in offer vs ask

Money they will probably use on lower tier player contracts that suck anyways?

 

[Ice-Tray]

Where are we going to get two superstars for 8 million each? I’m particularly curious given that I’d argue Karlsson is the only legit superstar this franchise has ever had.

Spezza, Alfredsson, Heatley, Chara, Yashin, Hossa, were all league wide superstars. Redden could make an argument as well.

I'm not buying your argument.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

We signed him at 4.9 at the expansion draft? News to me. Maybe read the whole sentence and you could actually respond to what he suggested instead of distracting with something irrelevant.

Would you have wanted to give up a first round pick to keep methot? Because allegedly that was the demand from Vegas.

 

[Sensung]

Spezza, Alfredsson, Heatley, Chara, Yashin, Hossa, were all league wide superstars. Redden could make an argument as well.

I'm not buying your argument.

Please list the major awards won by anyone on the list.

I'll wait.

The closest is Alfie's Calder he won as a 23 year old.

 

[Ray Kinsella]

I can’t even begin to comprehend how you’d compare Karlsson to Ryan on any way - effort, points, leadership, dedication to being healthy.

Karlsson signed maybe the best contract Ottawa has ever had, Ryan has the worst.

They are almost a different species of athlete.

I’m not comparing the two players by a long stretch. I’m talking about being locked in a high, long term contract.

 

[Micklebot]

Would you have wanted to give up a first round pick to keep methot? Because allegedly that was the demand from Vegas.

They also ended up accepting a 2nd round pick, so clearly they were eventually willing to accept less. My point though was that he didn't actually reply to the argument being propesed. If you want to argue that it would have cost too much in assets to keep Methot, fine, but you're not doing that if you talk about what we signed him for years prior, they are seperate issues.

To answer you're specific question, no I am glad we didn't give a 1st round pick to protect Methot, but I think other options existed. For example, we eventually traded Phaneuf for Gaborik. That rumour or something close to it was in full force at the time, maybe give up a bit more with Phaneuf back then and keep the better Dman instead of letting him go. Alternatively, match Dallas' offer for Methot.

Heck, I don't even have issue with someone arguing it was better to just let an aging and expense Methot go, at the time our depth on D looked like it was reasonable, and if we had actually reinvested Methot's salary into the lineup rather that bargin bin shop for Oduya, maybe our blueline would have done better.

 

[Micklebot]

Please list the major awards won by anyone on the list.

I'll wait.

The closest is Alfie's Calder he won as a 23 year old.

Afredsson won the Calder, Heatley did to but not with us, Chara went on to win the Norris, both Yashin and Spezza finished high in Hart voting. Is Karlsson a better player? Absolutely, but those guys were all still big time stars in the league.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

They also ended up accepting a 2nd round pick, so clearly they were eventually willing to accept less. My point though was that he didn't actually reply to the argument being propesed. If you want to argue that it would have cost too much in assets to keep Methot, fine, but you're not doing that if you talk about what we signed him for years prior, they are seperate issues.

To answer you're specific question, no I am glad we didn't give a 1st round pick to protect Methot, but I think other options existed. For example, we eventually traded Phaneuf for Gaborik. That rumour or something close to it was in full force at the time, maybe give up a bit more with Phaneuf back then and keep the better Dman instead of letting him go. Alternatively, match Dallas' offer for Methot.

Heck, I don't even have issue with someone arguing it was better to just let an aging and expense Methot go, at the time our depth on D looked like it was reasonable, and if we had actually reinvested Methot's salary into the lineup rather that bargin bin shop for Oduya, maybe our blueline would have done better.

By all accounts Vegas wouldn't budge on the demand of a first round pick to not take methot, and then were pissed at Ottawa for not meeting their demands and wouldn't negotiate with them after the fact to trade methot back.

That's what's been reported anyway. Everything aside from that is speculation.

 

[Mingus Dew]

it's kind of hard to just assume it away

the comparable would be we get Dahlin and he wins the Norris in his 19 year old season. He's eligible to sign July 1 after the Norris season.

The irony of that situation is we might have too much tied up in Karlsson were the Dahlin thing to happen

Use Crosby then.

Plenty of people are saying that this team cannot tie up that much salary in a single player. So if we had a 29 year old Sidney Crosby in today’s league, we wouldn’t pay him 12.5?

 

[Deku]

So please explain why EK65 opened up the possibility that he's seek employment elsewhere if he could not come to an agreement with Ottawa concerting his next contract?

He:
- wants to stay here
- wants a fair contract
- knows that management is cheap (and possibly petty)
and as a result put pressure on management to give him what he's worth. Whether it was a good idea or not.

Just to be on the record, I want them to sign Karlsson,

You sure don't act like it

 

[Deku]

Heck, I don't even have issue with someone arguing it was better to just let an aging and expense Methot go, at the time our depth on D looked like it was reasonable, and if we had actually reinvested Methot's salary into the lineup rather that bargin bin shop for Oduya, maybe our blueline would have done better.

Agreed. It's less about Methot and more about the pathetic lack of an attempt to replace him.
As well as not replacing MacArthur's top 9 forward spot when he was a big part of the playoff run

 

[Ice-Tray]

Please list the major awards won by anyone on the list.

I'll wait.

The closest is Alfie's Calder he won as a 23 year old.

I guess if that's your definition of super star, you'll be waiting for a while.

 

[DrakeAndJosh]

We had arguably the best first line in the NHL in recent history. Karlsson definitely isn't our first superstar, but he's easily our best. Looking back it's actually pretty incredible how many amazing players we've had given how young we are and our shaky ownership since we came into the league.

 

[Ice-Tray]

They also ended up accepting a 2nd round pick, so clearly they were eventually willing to accept less. My point though was that he didn't actually reply to the argument being propesed. If you want to argue that it would have cost too much in assets to keep Methot, fine, but you're not doing that if you talk about what we signed him for years prior, they are seperate issues.

To answer you're specific question, no I am glad we didn't give a 1st round pick to protect Methot, but I think other options existed. For example, we eventually traded Phaneuf for Gaborik. That rumour or something close to it was in full force at the time, maybe give up a bit more with Phaneuf back then and keep the better Dman instead of letting him go. Alternatively, match Dallas' offer for Methot.

Heck, I don't even have issue with someone arguing it was better to just let an aging and expense Methot go, at the time our depth on D looked like it was reasonable, and if we had actually reinvested Methot's salary into the lineup rather that bargin bin shop for Oduya, maybe our blueline would have done better.

It was widely rumoured and reported that Vegas was not going to trade Methot back to us because we refused to give in to the pre draft extortion. We were never able to get Methot back for what Dallas gave up, and PD did say that he tried to require Methot.

No sane person would ever have protected Methot over Ceci, so it comes down to what Vegas wanted from us before the draft, and if that was worth it, and then what Vegas wanted from us after the draft, if they were even willing to deal with us at all (but it would have been more than what Dallas paid).

What would have been appropriate to give that was more than Dallas?

Also, personally I don't want Methot on the team at this point, so for me I would not have wanted to have traded back for him.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Use Crosby then.

Plenty of people are saying that this team cannot tie up that much salary in a single player. So if we had a 29 year old Sidney Crosby in today’s league, we wouldn’t pay him 12.5?

We all like EK, but he's not Crosby on any level.