Proposal: DEFENCE to Leafs

[LeafGrief]

Leafs fans crying about Justin Holl is so weird. He's a #4D making 2m. Stop trying to prove that you're cool and knowledgeable hockey fans by shitting on a perfectly good player. His contract is one of the best on the team for what he brings. Seriously, hockey fans have absolutely no idea what #4-6 defensemen actually look like. It's like y'all expect Chris Tanev as a bare minimum.

 

[kings11]

Olli Maatta at 50% can be had for a hotdog and nachos! Or a 5th

 

[AvroArrow]

correction……

“Why the leafs try to win this year because they have not advanced past the first round since 2004 #logic”

Again, why try to win this year because you failed in the past ? Glad you showed everyone why you're really in this thread though.

 

[pth2]

Chiarot for your 1st and a conditional 2nd if you make the finals (and hence the 1st isn't as valuable).

Send back any expiring contracts needed to balance out capspace.

 

[Fogelhund]

for a couple reasons

#1 - Sandin is hurt - combine this with the fact that Justin Holl is absolutely terrible and this should be reason enough

#2 - You can never have enough depth - they will need depth for last 50 games and heading into playoffs (injuries will continue to happen)

- they should be targeting guys NOW - pay the premium and get ahead of the game
(Giordano, Braun, Miller, Chairot) = get 1-2 of these guys!

It's nearly impossible to bring someone in, to replace Sandin, without cap going out. Perhaps targeting Lyubushkin at 50% is an option, if Arizona would move him.

The last guy on your list, wouldn't go to the Leafs.

Manson's been mentioned in here, and to be honest, I'm not sure how much of an upgrade he would be over Holl. He's looked much better this year, than the last couple of years though. It would have to be Manson at 50% for Holl + 2nd, or something like that.

 

[Fogelhund]

Chiarot for your 1st and a conditional 2nd if you make the finals (and hence the 1st isn't as valuable).

Send back any expiring contracts needed to balance out capspace.

Not going to happen.

 

[Recipe Unlimited]

If you're playing TB or FLA first round, you're gonna need all the D you can fit

I actually think we're too tight to fit any more D in.

 

[Altimus]

Nick Holden's been pretty good. If Ottawa can't extend him he should be available.

 

[Flyer lurker]

Rental player Justin Braun come on down.

 

[93gilmour93]

Josh Manson @ 50%

This is one of the guys that makes the most sense with retention. Exactly the type of D man Toronto could use

 

[Habs Halifax]

Why try to win this year because you lost last year ? #logic

Hoping to win every year in Toronto? #logic

Way too many futures traded since Dubas was hired as GM. Prospect pool is very thin and Covid Flat cap has ruined any chance to add players more than a $1M salary. I'm not a Leafs hater but Dubas has learned on the job. Not cool and when you look back in a few years, your fan base is going to run the bus over him.

Who are the Leafs going to add and what contract do they send the other way? #CAP HELL

 

[AvroArrow]

Hoping to win every year in Toronto? #logic

Way too many futures traded since Dubas was hired as GM. Prospect pool is very thin and Covid Flat cap has ruined any chance to add players more than a $1M salary. I'm not a Leafs hater but Dubas has learned on the job. Not cool and when you look back in a few years, your fan base is going to run the bus over him.

Who are the Leafs going to add and what contract do they send the other way? #CAP HELL

What ? LOL. So you're not hoping to win every year once you're done rebuilding ? Our prospect pool is fine, we have Amirov/Robertson (although he's so injury prone) And Sandin/Liljegren are finally making the jump to the NHL and look like legitimate top 4 defenders, Bunting looks really really good as a rookie (technically) too. Can't tell if you're serious or not lmfao, of course we are hoping to win every year in Toronto, our core players are in their prime and we are a legitimate playoff team every year with some of the leagues best young players.

You really have no clue what you're talking about regarding the Leafs. Dubas' only major mistakes were the contract negotiations and the Kadri trade. Yes those were major f*** ups, but he has also made good moves. He acquired Campbell for peanuts and he looks like a vezina nominee at this point, he acquired Muzzin who's been our best defensive d-man since joining Toronto, he brought in Spezza, he brought in Bunting at 900k who looks great, he signed Brodie which makes the Kadri trade a little more bearable, as Kadris cap hit got allocated to Brodie. The original trade was Kadri to Calgary for Brodie, but Kadri vetoed it. He got Nylander on an absolute steal of a contract. He made a trade for Foligno, sadly you can't predict injuries but it was the right move to give this team a chance to compete. Terrible take lol.

Yes Dubas has made mistakes, but he has made moves that have been phenomenal as well, exhibit A Jack Campbell.

 

[LucicAndChong]

Leafs fans crying about Justin Holl is so weird. He's a #4D making 2m. Stop trying to prove that you're cool and knowledgeable hockey fans by shitting on a perfectly good player. His contract is one of the best on the team for what he brings. Seriously, hockey fans have absolutely no idea what #4-6 defensemen actually look like. It's like y'all expect Chris Tanev as a bare minimum.

He isn’t a top 4 d level though, at least not this year.

last year? Hell yeah him and Muzzin were great together, but this year it looks like he has lost a step.

is he still a 5/6 D? Sure. But then the $2 mil contract doesn’t look as good

 

[LucicAndChong]

Hoping to win every year in Toronto? #logic

Way too many futures traded since Dubas was hired as GM. Prospect pool is very thin and Covid Flat cap has ruined any chance to add players more than a $1M salary. I'm not a Leafs hater but Dubas has learned on the job. Not cool and when you look back in a few years, your fan base is going to run the bus over him.

Who are the Leafs going to add and what contract do they send the other way? #CAP HELL

how is our prospect pool empty?

Topi Niemila was the best d man in the World Juniours last year

Mikko Kokkonen was the best Finnish defenceman in last years WJC (which didn’t make much sense cause Niemila is also Finnish but whatever he got the award)

Knies is going to be a 1st line winger for USA in the juniors this year

Tverberg, a 7th round pick, is tearing it up in the NCAA this year (16 points in 14 games) and will be on Canadas WJC roster

Ovchinikov has 6 points in 5 games in the MHL after playing some games in the KHL at 19

Not to mention players like Voit, Amirov, SDA and Hirvonen who are all developing well.


I guess you just assumed we don’t have prospects because you have a hard on for hating the leafs, but if you’re going to talk about this stuff, maybe do some research next time.

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Del Zotto or Josh Brown.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

how is our prospect pool empty?

Topi Niemila was the best d man in the World Juniours last year

Mikko Kokkonen was the best Finnish defenceman (which didn’t make much sense cause Niemila is also Finnish but whatever he got the award)

Knies is going to be a 1st line winger for USA in the juniors this year

Tverberg, a 7th round pick, is tearing it up in the NCAA this year (16 points in 14 games) and will be on Canadas WJC roster

Ovchinikov has 6 points in 5 games in the MHL after playing some games in the KHL at 19

Not to mention players like Voit or Hirvonen who are developing well.


I guess you just assumed we don’t have prospects because you have a hard on for hating the leafs, but if you’re going to talk about this stuff, maybe do some research next time.

Knies should be on the US team, but first line winger? Who knows, most likely in the middle six. Tverberg is a long shot for team canada...just because he got an invite doesn't mean he's making it.

Either way, every single one of those prospects you just mentioned, almost every team in the league has prospects of that caliber. Toronto definitely isn't in the top-half of prospect pools in the league, but that's fine because they're a competitive NHL team.

 

[LucicAndChong]

Knies should be on the US team, but first line winger? Who knows, most likely in the middle six. Tverberg is a long shot for team canada...just because he got an invite doesn't mean he's making it.

Either way, every single one of those prospects you just mentioned, almost every team in the league has prospects of that caliber. Toronto definitely isn't in the top-half of prospect pools in the league, but that's fine because they're a competitive NHL team.

I thought I saw something showing Knies on the top line but I might have been confused, and as for Tverberg you’re right just because he got an invite doesn’t mean he makes the team but I would be surprised if he doesn’t make it (assuming he keeps up his current pace)

I would argue that the leafs are in the top half of the league (especially if you consider Robertson a prospect still) but I agree that they are middle-top. Probably around the 12-15 mark.

the point of my OP was to disprove the other person saying that the leafs have no one in their prospect pool

 

[Fogelhund]

I thought I saw something showing Knies on the top line but I might have been confused, and as for Tverberg you’re right just because he got an invite doesn’t mean he makes the team but I would be surprised if he doesn’t make it (assuming he keeps up his current pace)

I would argue that the leafs are in the top half of the league (especially if you consider Robertson a prospect still) but I agree that they are middle-top. Probably around the 12-15 mark.

the point of my OP was to disprove the other person saying that the leafs have no one in their prospect pool

If we take Sandin and Lilly out, we drop considerably, probably bottom third.

 

[Habs Halifax]

how is our prospect pool empty?

Topi Niemila was the best d man in the World Juniours last year

Mikko Kokkonen was the best Finnish defenceman in last years WJC (which didn’t make much sense cause Niemila is also Finnish but whatever he got the award)

Knies is going to be a 1st line winger for USA in the juniors this year

Tverberg, a 7th round pick, is tearing it up in the NCAA this year (16 points in 14 games) and will be on Canadas WJC roster

Ovchinikov has 6 points in 5 games in the MHL after playing some games in the KHL at 19

Not to mention players like Voit, Amirov, SDA and Hirvonen who are all developing well.


I guess you just assumed we don’t have prospects because you have a hard on for hating the leafs, but if you’re going to talk about this stuff, maybe do some research next time.

Leafs draft power from 17-21 draft years is 25th according to my research. That's some pretty high flawed hopes you got with your prospect pool. Sounds more like Bracco hope to me

 

[Dead Coyote]

Ghostisbehere could be had for a prospect and pick most likely from the Leafs. It would however, probably cost you more than you're willing to pay and make a lot of Leafs fans irrationally angry.

 

[LucicAndChong]

Leafs draft power from 17-21 draft years is 25th according to my research. That's some pretty high flawed hopes you got with your prospect pool. Sounds more like Bracco hope to me

https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-farm-system-rankings/

Leafs Ranked 17th

The Journey: 2021 NHL Prospect Pool Rankings

Leafs Ranked 16th


Team Strength Rankings – 1 to 10 (May 2021)

Leafs Ranked 4th


Ranking all 31 NHL prospect pipelines: Kings leapfrog Rangers for No. 1 spot

Leafs Ranked 12th


Need I go on? I guess this goes to show why you don’t have a job in the NHL if you rank the Leafs 25th based on your “research”

 

[Habs Halifax]

https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-farm-system-rankings/

Leafs Ranked 17th

The Journey: 2021 NHL Prospect Pool Rankings

Leafs Ranked 16th


Team Strength Rankings – 1 to 10 (May 2021)

Leafs Ranked 4th


Ranking all 31 NHL prospect pipelines: Kings leapfrog Rangers for No. 1 spot

Leafs Ranked 12th


Need I go on? I guess this goes to show why you don’t have a job in the NHL if you rank the Leafs 25th based on your “research”

These yearly prospect rankings are garbage. They have a lot of bias in them and I fell into that trap years ago and leaned from it. You can trust them if you wish.

I respect you for defending your pool but it's not probable due to low draft power that your pool is deep and will fill holes.

 

[YP44]

Olli Maatta at 50% can be had for a hotdog and nachos! Or a 5th

Before Clague being waived this was the play...or you no just waiving Maatta. f***ing Rob Blake.

 

[bernmeister]

CF shows you have no cap
We want picks anyway
top shelf will cost what you won't pay
you also dealt most of yr 2022 picks

so
interim guys:
Hajek - 2024 5th
Nemeth - 2023 4th

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

CF shows you have no cap
We want picks anyway
top shelf will cost what you won't pay
you also dealt most of yr 2022 picks

so
interim guys:
Hajek - 2024 5th
Nemeth - 2023 4th

Those two are terrible and wouldn't make the leafs top 6.