LeBrun: DeBrincat will most likely be traded, agent has submitted list of preferred destinations

[norrisnick]

Mm, I disagree. I like the upside of Mazur and Lombardi more than Burger and Soderblom but that’s more of a personal preference than anything. I do like Burger as a Nyquist level player eventually but I don’t think I’m as enamored with Soderblom as others are. And @norrisnick , I know you don’t really value DBC all that much so I imagine a lot of these discussions and player values don’t really resonate with you, which you could very well be right to, but personally I like DBC as a part of our core going forward

I'm of the mind, that if DeBrincat and/or Raymond are far and away the best wingers we have, we are going to have problems. Which means I would rather use those assets and cap space on whoever that better winger might be before I double down on small righties.

Rejected.

And that's likely why it's dragging.

There should be no GM in the league rushing to help Ottawa out of this bind. With DeBrincat hanging out there it's going to be hard for Dorion to flesh out the rest of his roster. If he just moves on with the arbitration award then he's going to have issues back-filling ADB at the deadline. Which the rumored Tarasenko deal seems to be. Trading DeBrincat is the first domino. Dorion is going to have to nudge it and not wait for someone else to do it for him.

 

[jkutswings]

Do I just need to add the previous post under my avatar?

Posters are drawing knee-jerk conclusions from what I'm posting that is not in fact what I'm posting. For example, the bolded above. I don't deal in absolutes. So don't frame my arguments in the scope of absolutes.

Everyone is available at the right price. Settling is in no one's best interest. Except maybe Ottawa's....

So all of the following were posted by somebody else with the same user name?

DeBrincat is the best. Add him at all costs and give him whatever he wants. That can't possibly backfire in any way. I am convinced.

Welcome to my opinion of DeBrincat north of $8M. (referring to the phrase, "players of negative value")

You may have unwittingly stumbled on something. Toss ADB in a bottom 6 role and give Kubalik and Bergie top 6 and PP1 TOI. (responding Debrincat's teammates and usage in Ottawa affecting his production)

That's because Mo has the self-control/respect not to hit a child, even when said child is throwing a tantrum. (referring to Debrincat willing to play a physical game, and previously getting into an altercation with Seider)

I promise to stop talking about DeBrincat if everyone else does.

Being stuck with a meh player at $8M+ for term. That's the risk.

If we can't get a better player than DeBrincat we may as well pack it in and call it a franchise.

Connor, Lindholm, Keller if we toss enough stuff at Arizona, etc...

There are better players than DeBrincat to be had.

And that's my viewpoint. I'd rather pay more for better than half-ass it with DeBrincat.

f***, toss all four 1sts at Boston and see if they blink regarding Pasta.

Don't repeatedly throw gas on the fire and then complain about getting called out for it.

 

[hawksrule]

Has there been anything new in this thread over the last 70 pages?

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

Can we just resolve this? I'm tired of reading rumor after rumor and nothing happens.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Newhook just got a late 1st + early 2nd in a loaded draft.

Yeah and he’s better and has way more upside than Berggren and is a C and MTL was loaded with future assets that created a perfect storm for them to trade those picks for a young NHLer

 

[Holden Caufield]

The Wings had better not throw Berggren into this deal. Or Mazur for that matter. They would live to regret that.
I don’t know why Wings fans are so down on Berggren.

Please let it be Soderblom/Kubalik.

 

[SpezDispenser]

I'm of the mind, that if DeBrincat and/or Raymond are far and away the best wingers we have, we are going to have problems. Which means I would rather use those assets and cap space on whoever that better winger might be before I double down on small righties.


There should be no GM in the league rushing to help Ottawa out of this bind. With DeBrincat hanging out there it's going to be hard for Dorion to flesh out the rest of his roster. If he just moves on with the arbitration award then he's going to have issues back-filling ADB at the deadline. Which the rumored Tarasenko deal seems to be. Trading DeBrincat is the first domino. Dorion is going to have to nudge it and not wait for someone else to do it for him.

I agree.

Still doesn't mean he has to take a shit package back. Thank goodness decent 3rd liners can be had via trade or signings still, because this could still go real long.

 

[Bjornar Moxnes]

It's because stylistically they do similar things. Berggren would do well next to a shooter/finisher, moreso than a playmaker.

The great irony in all this is that Berggren would probably be the best Red Wing for DeBrincat to play with.

Bergen-Norris-Giroux :O

The Wings had better not throw Berggren into this deal. Or Mazur for that matter. They would live to regret that.
I don’t know why Wings fans are so down on Berggren.

Please let it be Soderblom/Kubalik.

I love Jonathan Bergen

 

[TCNorthstars]

The Wings had better not throw Berggren into this deal. Or Mazur for that matter. They would live to regret that.
I don’t know why Wings fans are so down on Berggren.

Please let it be Soderblom/Kubalik.

Nobody is down on Berggren. DeBrincat is a significant upgrade on him.

 

[TheOctopusKid]

I'm of the mind, that if DeBrincat and/or Raymond are far and away the best wingers we have, we are going to have problems. Which means I would rather use those assets and cap space on whoever that better winger might be before I double down on small righties.

Raymond is our most valuable winger right now with…Kubalik? Perron? This is a question of is this a team with Raymond and Perron as our best wingers or is it a team with Raymond and Debrincat as our two best wingers? We’ve already seen Raymond + Perron/Kubalik, and it’s not particularly awe inspiring.

Sure, I’m down for us using assets to add an awesome winger but I don’t know what under 28 (Stevie’s Core Age), elite wingers are on the block right now AND the trading partner thinks as highly of Berggren + Soderblom or whatever AND that winger wanting to sign with DET for long term under 12AAV.

The list of scoring wingers in their prime better than DBC is pretty short and those other qualifiers are pretty limiting - I don’t think DAL is suddenly compelled to move off from Robertson or COL wants to shop Ratanen.

We have the opportunity to add a really good winger, who wants to be with DET, has at least 4-5 years of his prime in front of him, supposedly wants to be around 8M a year, willing to sign, grew up a fan of the team, has a proven track record and given the circumstances, has to be moved for less value than what he is worth (sorry, Sens) and we’re nickel and diming it.

Would I like to add a better player like you’re suggesting? Sure. Do I think that guy will be available and want to play for us and we can get for 60 cents on the dollar? I’m skeptical but I’m not trying to call your position wrong, it’s a perfectly sensible path if you don’t believe that DBC is that good or you have the depth of faith that Nylander is realistically obtainable for us and lines up but in terms of what we know is available and the teams and the situation - this one feels like a pretty unique opportunity for us to get better without even really touching our core /shrug

 

[Ezekial]

It's because stylistically they do similar things. Berggren would do well next to a shooter/finisher, moreso than a playmaker.

The great irony in all this is that Berggren would probably be the best Red Wing for DeBrincat to play with.

Interesting, maybe we should trade for a guy that has a skillset catered more toward scoring goals to complement our team.

 

[TheOctopusKid]

The Wings had better not throw Berggren into this deal. Or Mazur for that matter. They would live to regret that.
I don’t know why Wings fans are so down on Berggren.

Please let it be Soderblom/Kubalik.

I am Burgers biggest fan. The last two years I’ve been in our boards touting him as much as anyone, but even then, he’s not as good as DBC. I’d love to keep him and if a deal materialize at the end of the day where Kuba or Soda goes back instead of him? I’d be pumped but I just can’t imagine OTT would be silly enough to not be asking for him back at this point

 

[jkutswings]

Raymond is our most valuable winger right now with…Kubalik? Perron? This is a question of is this a team with Raymond and Perron as our best wingers or is it a team with Raymond and Debrincat as our two best wingers? We’ve already seen Raymond + Perron/Kubalik, and it’s not particularly awe inspiring.

Sure, I’m down for us using assets to add an awesome winger but I don’t know what under 28 (Stevie’s Core Age), elite wingers are on the block right now AND the trading partner thinks as highly of Berggren + Soderblom or whatever AND that winger wanting to sign with DET for long term under 12AAV.

The list of scoring wingers in their prime better than DBC is pretty short and those other qualifiers are pretty limiting - I don’t think DAL is suddenly compelled to move off from Robertson or COL wants to shop Ratanen.

We have the opportunity to add a really good winger, who wants to be with DET, has at least 4-5 years of his prime in front of him, supposedly wants to be around 8M a year, willing to sign, grew up a fan of the team, has a proven track record and given the circumstances, has to be moved for less value than what he is worth (sorry, Sens) and we’re nickel and diming it.

Would I like to add a better player like you’re suggesting? Sure. Do I think that guy will be available and want to play for us and we can get for 60 cents on the dollar? I’m skeptical but I’m not trying to call your position wrong, it’s a perfectly sensible path if you don’t believe that DBC is that good or you have the depth of faith that Nylander is realistically obtainable for us and lines up but in terms of what we know is available and the teams and the situation - this one feels like a pretty unique opportunity for us to get better without even really touching our core /shrug

Great post. The Venn diagram of all these factors is pretty unique.

 

[SENStastic]

So all of the following were posted by somebody else with the same user name?














Don't repeatedly throw gas on the fire and then complain about getting called out for it.

Dude is definitely egging it on. Latest gem is it shouldn't be more than Fabbri and/or a 2nd. It's either he's trolling or Debrincat slept with his girl. Could be both.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Raymond is our most valuable winger right now with…Kubalik? Perron? This is a question of is this a team with Raymond and Perron as our best wingers or is it a team with Raymond and Debrincat as our two best wingers? We’ve already seen Raymond + Perron/Kubalik, and it’s not particularly awe inspiring.

Sure, I’m down for us using assets to add an awesome winger but I don’t know what under 28 (Stevie’s Core Age), elite wingers are on the block right now AND the trading partner thinks as highly of Berggren + Soderblom or whatever AND that winger wanting to sign with DET for long term under 12AAV.

The list of scoring wingers in their prime better than DBC is pretty short and those other qualifiers are pretty limiting - I don’t think DAL is suddenly compelled to move off from Robertson or COL wants to shop Ratanen.

We have the opportunity to add a really good winger, who wants to be with DET, has at least 4-5 years of his prime in front of him, supposedly wants to be around 8M a year, willing to sign, grew up a fan of the team, has a proven track record and given the circumstances, has to be moved for less value than what he is worth (sorry, Sens) and we’re nickel and diming it.

Would I like to add a better player like you’re suggesting? Sure. Do I think that guy will be available and want to play for us and we can get for 60 cents on the dollar? I’m skeptical but I’m not trying to call your position wrong, it’s a perfectly sensible path if you don’t believe that DBC is that good or you have the depth of faith that Nylander is realistically obtainable for us and lines up but in terms of what we know is available and the teams and the situation - this one feels like a pretty unique opportunity for us to get better without even really touching our core /shrug

Excellent post.

Initially I was against acquiring DBC given what I thought it'd take. But if he can be had for lesser assets given the position he's put the Sens in, I'm all for it.

 

[Rob Brown]

 

[redwings25]

I dont like biulding around tiny wingers. Id rather go with what detroit has and keep looking for someone that fits better. Id offer tarasenko a 1 year for 8.5 and keep looking for long term. Dont really care what debrincat cost in a trade i just wouldnt invest a huge chunk of cap in him long term. Hes a 1 way scoring winger.

 

[datsyukfan]

I dont like biulding around tiny wingers. Id rather go with what detroit has and keep looking for someone that fits better. Id offer tarasenko a 1 year for 8.5 and keep looking for long term. Dont really care what debrincat cost in a trade i just wouldnt invest a huge chunk of cap in him long term. Hes a 1 way scoring winger.

We have enough 2-way players we need a scorer. This guy is the best one we can get and one that actually wants to sign here. Hometown kid it means more

 

[TheOctopusKid]

We have enough 2-way players we need a scorer. This guy is the best one we can get and one that actually wants to sign here. Hometown kid it means more

What he said. I wouldn’t say that DBC would be the centerpiece that our entire team is being built around. Our team is built around massive, F-U, Defensemen and 200+ 6’1+ Cs . In three years we’ll have Seider, Edvinsson, Wallinder, Kasper, Danielson, Copp, Compher , Rasmussen - no one is going to look across the ice and be like “Look at that tiny little midget team”. That is a crew with good size, especially on the back end, and tons of physicality in the forwards - all DBC has to do is shoot. He’ll be fine

 

[Ishad]

It either gets done before his arbitration or he gets traded at the trade deadline.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Kinda feel like the disconnect among fans is that some seem to think because Ottawa paid a ridiculous amount for Debrincat, that the next team should as well.

1. They overpaid.

2. Chicago didn't need to trade Debrincat, Ottawa does. Maybe not imminently. They could possibly wait until the deadline and risk him getting injured, if they wish, but they absolutely need to trade him. Even worse, they need to trade him somewhere he wants to go. That drops his value.

 

[SEALBound]

Not reading through 85 pages - what are his contract demands / estimates?

 

[SpezDispenser]

Kinda feel like the disconnect among fans is that some seem to think because Ottawa paid a ridiculous amount for Debrincat, that the next team should as well.

1. They overpaid.

2. Chicago didn't need to trade Debrincat, Ottawa does. Maybe not imminently. They could possibly wait until the deadline and risk him getting injured, if they wish, but they absolutely need to trade him. Even worse, they need to trade him somewhere he wants to go. That drops his value.

f*** no we don't. Just to whoever offers the best package. Would it help if he's going to sign an extension? Probably. Is it integral? No.

 

[NYI365]

Not sure if this means anything but it's something kinda new? Idk

 

[BondraTime]

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Not sure if this means anything but it's something kinda new? Idk

Mimmo guy was also saying that Kleven made Brannstrom expendable, because Branstrom wasn’t on the roster this morning. Was a mistake on the website and he was added back shortly after.

They are just friends, I’d imagine if you went down that list Garrioch and he like every one of their tweets and responses.