Post-Game Talk: Death bed edition: Habs put Jets on the brink

[Do or Die]

so his .875 last night was just a mirage!? As was his .875 in game one. That’s not playoff goaltending!

2021 Playoffs:
Price .938
Helle .931

 

[ismelofhockey]

so his .875 last night was just a mirage!? As was his .875 in game one. That’s not playoff goaltending!

This may surprise you, but stats don't always tell the whole story. Stats, maybe you've heard this one before, can be deceiving. Three of the goals yesterday are on the Jets' defence. And even on Suzuki's goal, where Hellebuyck was rather weak, what was the Jets defenceman doing? He neither stopped the cross-crease pass nor took the man. The very definition of useless pylon. So before you blame Hellebuyck, I feel that defence needs to be chewed out properly for its abysmal performance in this series.

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

That was absolutely pathetic.

Another thing this series has proven is if the Jets protect Stanley over Demelo they are f***ing idiots. The loss of Demelo has crippled our defense. Forces everyone to play out of role and Stanley can barely cover his 3rd pairing sheltered minutes out there. They are night and day difference in quality right now.

 

[Teemusalami204]

That was absolutely pathetic.

Another thing this series has proven is if the Jets protect Stanley over Demelo they are f***ing idiots. The loss of Demelo has crippled our defense. Forces everyone to play out of role and Stanley can barely cover his 3rd pairing sheltered minutes out there. They are night and day difference in quality right now.

I’m hoping big enough changes Happen with our d this offseason that a demelo loss doesn’t cripple them

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

I’m hoping big enough changes Happen with our d this offseason that a demelo loss doesn’t cripple them

That would be great but is likely unrealistic.

Demelo is a top 4 defensemen who can play on the top pair and not look out of place. Stanley is unlikely to ever reach that level.

 

[robertocarlos]

Armia is a very underrated player. So I can definitely understand your fan base missing him. Out of curiosity. Was there another Jets player that yourself or other Jets fans wanted to see go instead?

No, we didn't want any other player traded. It was stupid all around to give up Armia so the Habs would take a bad contract. Absolutely stupid.

 

[robertocarlos]

And he was a throw in to get Montreal to take Mason’s contract, like Roslovic was a throw in.

FML

Laine was the thrown in player.

 

[robertocarlos]

Eh, Armia's a decent player but he isn't the reason they're winning or we're losing

Armia is not coming back.

 

[robertocarlos]

We will see if Montreal actually keeps him. Yes he can be a useful player but he does disappear every 20 games or so. He’s also probably going to want 3.75 on the open market.

No. He is 2.5-3.0 tops. He knows it too. He'll just want 3 or 4 years. He is like a Lowry so maybe 3.25 for 5 years. Absolutely top offer.

 

[azcanuck]

I'm surprised how easily we are handling you considering how the Leafs really dominated and carried the play. I guess we're coming together pretty well. You have a good team , although a lot of your back end is slow and unskilled.

 

[tbcwpg]

Armia is a very underrated player. So I can definitely understand your fan base missing him. Out of curiosity. Was there another Jets player that yourself or other Jets fans wanted to see go instead?

No, Armia was traded only to get out of the Steve Mason contract, I don't think anyone wanted him traded. I think the idea at the time was the Jets had a lot of third line types so he was expendable, but it looks like they guessed wrong.

I'm surprised how easily we are handling you considering how the Leafs really dominated and carried the play. I guess we're coming together pretty well. You have a good team , although a lot of your back end is slow and unskilled.

It's easy to dominate when you get an early goal and can sit back and just hit the Jets on the counter. The Jets have no offensive creativity at all. If the Jets can manage the first goal tonight it should change things a bit.

 

[robertocarlos]

This may surprise you, but stats don't always tell the whole story. Stats, maybe you've heard this one before, can be deceiving. .

Stats wasn't so good yesterday.

 

[Edgar Halliwax]

We are 99.9 percent losing the series. Burning an entire year of his elc for 11 min of heinola doesn’t make sense.

Wasn't referring to tonight - I was referring to game 2. The chances of us coming back from a 0-1 deficit would have been far better than coming back from 0-3.

I just think we would have had a better chance to win with Heinola in the lineup instead of Benn. Guess we'll never know...

 

[Teemusalami204]

Wasn't referring to tonight - I was referring to game 2. The chances of us coming back from a 0-1 deficit would have been far better than coming back from 0-3.

I just think we would have had a better chance to win with Heinola in the lineup instead of Benn. Guess we'll never know...

Benn had a few major blocks putting his body on the like a vet. Put his big in front of shots.

I agree he’s a pylon trying to transition from skating backwards to forwards when a opposing player is skating hard towards him but there are other areas of his game that helped imo .

Either way benn or hienola are not anything close to the reasons why we are losing

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

I spent watching The Expanse instead of the game after the league ruined this series for me. Seems like I made the right decision.

Hardly fair. The Expanse trumps just about everything. Now, if it came down to watching the Jets game or Kangaroo Jack...

 

[Gm0ney]

I'm surprised how easily we are handling you considering how the Leafs really dominated and carried the play. I guess we're coming together pretty well. You have a good team , although a lot of your back end is slow and unskilled.

The Jets are not a carry-the-play kind of team. They rely on great goaltending, finishing and special teams to make up for their lack of sustained offensive pressure or ability to defend in their own zone.

 

[GumbyCan2]

That would be great but is likely unrealistic.

Demelo is a top 4 defensemen who can play on the top pair and not look out of place. Stanley is unlikely to ever reach that level.

I get it Demelo's experience and his base skills ( very, very basic but needed on every winning team) are hugely missed last 2 games basically. I disagree with the message only in that I read you are blaming them for losing because Stanley is no good. I see more good in Stanley's play, contribution than Beaulieu ever brought and better than Poolman, or Benn and almost equal to Forbort. Forbort shows the odd game playing way above his actual normal level. Without this showing, I believe Stanley would be equal to or surpassing Forbort, too. JMO but I hardly see it being Stanley's fault that while he is checking an opponent who ha the puck deep in our end another is left free behind him by one or 2 vet forwards gliding almost motionless 2 feet behind the unchecked opponent. Then, when puck carrier manages to get puck passed Stanley, the uncovered player gets a freebie on a sprawling goalie who misses the tap in.
Meanwhile, 2 vet forwards are looking skyward wondering what the hell happened blaming the rookie for leaving their man open! And letting a pass get past him. Tough position to be in for a rookie with the way this team plays poor defensive structure by committee!

 

[BigHulkingThickV]

Wasn't referring to tonight - I was referring to game 2. The chances of us coming back from a 0-1 deficit would have been far better than coming back from 0-3.

I just think we would have had a better chance to win with Heinola in the lineup instead of Benn. Guess we'll never know...

I think he should've been playing the whole season. I don't think this year was good for his development. But hey, who cares if the team or the player is worse as a result of it, maybe a few bucks were saved down the road.

 

[Do or Die]

A lot of things go into good D.
Having coherent systems for coverages and zone exits. Good positional play by D-men, timely puck support and back checking from the forwards.
In the main, we don't seem to have such things....

 

[GumbyCan2]

Benn had a few major blocks putting his body on the like a vet. Put his big in front of shots.

I agree he’s a pylon trying to transition from skating backwards to forwards when a opposing player is skating hard towards him but there are other areas of his game that helped imo .

Either way benn or hienola are not anything close to the reasons why we are losing

Coaching decisions, lack of an answer for relentless forechecking, inability to beat Habs big defenders and their goalie, no contain on their 4th line, never 1st, 2nd, or 3rd! Are we going golfing yet?

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

I get it Demelo's experience and his base skills ( very, very basic but needed on every winning team) are hugely missed last 2 games basically. I disagree with the message only in that I read you are blaming them for losing because Stanley is no good. I see more good in Stanley's play, contribution than Beaulieu ever brought and better than Poolman, or Benn and almost equal to Forbort. Forbort shows the odd game playing way above his actual normal level. Without this showing, I believe Stanley would be equal to or surpassing Forbort, too. JMO but I hardly see it being Stanley's fault that while he is checking an opponent who ha the puck deep in our end another is left free behind him by one or 2 vet forwards gliding almost motionless 2 feet behind the unchecked opponent. Then, when puck carrier manages to get puck passed Stanley, the uncovered player gets a freebie on a sprawling goalie who misses the tap in.
Meanwhile, 2 vet forwards are looking skyward wondering what the hell happened blaming the rookie for leaving their man open! And letting a pass get past him. Tough position to be in for a rookie with the way this team plays poor defensive structure by committee!

I wouldn't read too much into it. I actually don't have a problem with Stanley's play, he's raw and still developing. He's better than I thought he would be.

Demelo is just severely underrated by the average fan and Morrissey falls apart without him or someone of his calibre. Losing Demelo just gives us another huge hole to fill, losing Stanley would suck but doesn't create near as big of a hole.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

If Jets can't win a game, Scheifele's suspension will carry over to next year.

 

[cbcwpg]

I have to admit I did something last night I have never done during a Jets playoff game... After the second period I went outside to cut the grass. And I did this because I knew for a fact I wasn't going to miss a comeback.

 

[ulf]

Our forwards didn’t and haven’t gotten on MTL defence or fought for the front of the net. This includes our grit players.
Our d isn’t big enough or mean enough to stop MTL’s forwards from the front of the net. They aren’t big but we are to small/ soft for playoff hockey.
Connor is a glaring d liability for 20 minutes a night. It’s all good when he scores.

 

[Gurilla]

I have to admit I did something last night I have never done during a Jets playoff game... After the second period I went outside to cut the grass. And I did this because I knew for a fact I wasn't going to miss a comeback.

Same, I went for a walk