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[Gardner McKay]

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[WojtekWolski86]

Love Fox, but when it's the last 2 minutes of a game having Braun to offset that pressure and spare Fox time getting worked over in his own end will help in the long run.

No matter how the lines shake out, having Goodrow, Copp, Rooney and Motte able to play wing or center and take draws in crunch time will go a long way. The game against Carolina is a perfect example. Goodrow was out there every other shift. Now we have the option of a shutdown line or peanut butter spreading some defensive reliable forwards through the lineup to counter deep teams.

 

[bhamill]

I'm the first person to say hold on to picks, that's how you keep the pipeline flowing to the big team, use those prospects as trade chips. But this is the exact type of acquisition we've been talking about for a while. Someone that will more than likely be re-signed here with term at an affordable number rather than a pure rental. Good chance at being the placeholder at 2C going foward. He checks a lot of boxes, brings some elements to this team that we're lacking.

I think ideally you look at that Bennett contract as the target here. Copp has shown a bit more than Bennett did when he got that deal though. The Jets fan came here and said he turned down 5 years at 4 mil per. I'd look for 4 years at 4.5 per like Bennett. Might look a little closer to McCann, Gourde, Pageau, etc.. though. I just hope Drury will be a little hesitant on the term.. some of the comparables like Coyle, Pageau and on and on look real rough. Turris' deal turned into an abomination.

I like this trade. We didn't give up the prime assets which gives us some options to make some other moves in the summer. Copp should be real good for us.. I just hope Drury is smart about the contract in case things so south that we're not locked in too long

I think his ask was 4yrs at 5per. Maybe you get him at 4.5 by offering 5 years on a team on the cusp of contention…

 

[Savant]

And why would you do that?

Maybe he really likes the police (and doesn’t know the Rangers have had 9 retired for years). I mean, I like Sting as much as the next guy but I’d have waited.

 

[mas0764]

This is a bit over the top. 30 year old? Copp is 27 and I believe he’ll be here another 5-6 years and we still have forwards on the way up and our top assets to use in the kind of trades you want.

When they re-sign him to a reasonable long term deal that fits as a third line center, that will take some of the sting off. But that remains to be seen. If he's signed to be the 2C, that's not necessarily giving you a talent edge over other playoff teams. You are actually behind the 8 ball if Copp is your 2C. He's a plus 3C, not a plus 2C.

The talent I'm saying we need still is not "over the top."

Cup winners, especially multiple Cup winners, have second line or even first line talent playing on their third line. We have AHLers on our third line.

We have a ways to go to get even close at forward.

BTW, you aren’t winning the Cup if you are relying primarily on 20-23 year old players, that doesn’t happen. You need veterans as well and “younger” veterans like Copp are preferable.

We aren't winning the Cup this year anyway. Our window opens as Kakko, Laf, and Fox hit their primes. It needs supplementing with a couple more young forwards and cross your fingers that Panarin and Zibanejad stay elite. Panarin should. We'll see about Zibanejad. Kreider is not going to be a top line winger when this team wins a Cup.

I really think your hatred of Drury colors a lot of this.

I only "hate," Drury because of his failure on this issue. If he wasn't whiffing here, I'd love him.

But it is what it is. You gotta do you. I’m not sure what among Barron, two 2nds, a 3rd and a 4th is the massive payoff that would have replenished our prospect pool and made us Cup contenders too.

That's not what we are debating. I'm more or less fine with that payment for Copp. I don't/won't really miss Barron.

But it is a heavy price. One of those seconds could be a first. And even if you aren't getting home run NHLers those picks are needed for future trades too. The more you pay now, the less you will have for later when we hope to be a contender with Kakko and Laf and Fox.

And then there's the picks for Braun and Motte and Vatrano too. We've wiped out our mid-round picks the next year or two. That's gonna leave a hole on a team that already needed to replenish it's forward depth in the system and is starting out shorthanded with it's NHL forward group (ie, we are icing 5 AHLers every night). If we don't re-sign Vatrano, Copp and Motte, we are right back to that, and guess what? We have no real cap space to re-sign those guys next year, so we are likely right back where we started with our depth chart next season. Playing AHLers who aren't ready or who never will be ready.

But again, that expenditure is survivable. Paying Nils and multiple firsts for rentals who walk is not. Thank goodness we smartly avoided that.

I thus gave Drury a B.

But I am not going to pretend the future issue doesn't exist. It does.

If you got two good NHLers out of that, never mind top tier talent, you’d be way ahead of the law of averages.
I was on the same “don't waste good assets on rentals” page as you leading up to this. And since I believe the plan is to sign Copp I don’t think we did.And our chances are greatly improved at at least getting our young guys more than four games vital playoff experience. Maybe even get into the second round. Of course time will tell, but I think this TDL was definitely a positive.

Sure, and I think I've said, I like the Copp acquisition. He, Vatrano, and Motte, along with the return of Kakko, are going to make this a more complete team to watch this year. We won't be watching AHL trash that can't play every night anymore.

That's great news for this season.

We still remain long shots to win, but it will make (hopefully) for a team that doesn't get caved every night anymore.

This will be fun.

But the work continues.

My point is that there is serious building that needs to be done and the options for doing so are beginning to dwindle. Ok, so let's say Nils and a first (lol, if Winnipeg doesn't get that first) are traded for a young center like, I dunno, throwing out a name, Wyatt Johnston.

Still need probably another young center like Holloway and either Kravtsov or another young wing in the sytem. Then I'll feel better.

 

[mas0764]

We need to win one cup before we can win two. You don't toss away chances BECAUSE they are so hard to accomplish.

We don't have a realistic chance this year. You don't toss away future chances to make yourself feel better about right now.

 

[Raspewtin]

I think the desire to cut down Fox's overall minutes is a bit weird. He's our best defenseman and skater. He's going to play 28 min/night in the playoffs no matter who we acquire.

Though I would like to see his PK time reduced especially with Braun here.

 

[mas0764]

Speaking of Sammy, what line will he play with next season?

I'm not 100% sure he'll be here next season.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I think the desire to cut down Fox's overall minutes is a bit weird. He's our best defenseman and skater. He's going to play 28 min/night in the playoffs no matter who we acquire.

Though I would like to see his PK time reduced especially with Braun here.

The point is to shorten his minutes now so he can come into the playoffs fully rested.

 

[Rangers in 7]

And why would you do that?

it was a joke....

 

[mas0764]

Really like Sammy but with playing style/injury concerns and the moves they made today, I could see him potentially not be qualified. Given their history with Trouba/Panarin I could see Drury looking to bring back no only Copp but Motte as well depending on price.

I absolutely think that's in the cards.

 

[rangers1314]

I think the desire to cut down Fox's overall minutes is a bit weird. He's our best defenseman and skater. He's going to play 28 min/night in the playoffs no matter who we acquire.

Though I would like to see his PK time reduced especially with Braun here.

It's about the PK minutes IMO.

 

[IDvsEGO]

It's about the PK minutes IMO.

I mean if you take fox off the PK to lessen his minutes, you then let him be more refreshed during 5v5 play, which should then give us more PP opportunities as we should be in their zone more often.

 

[B17 Apricots]

I think his ask was 4yrs at 5per. Maybe you get him at 4.5 by offering 5 years on a team on the cusp of contention…

Seravalli had earlier tweeted that Copp turned down a 5 year, $20M ($4M AAV) contract offer from the Jets in the offseason. He expects his next contract will start with a $5. He has Kurt Overcharge as his agent. Copp is good buddies with Trouba (also an Overcharge client). If he resigns with you, you’re not getting a deal.

Good player though for your playoff drive. Hope you make it to the conference finals.

 

[DialUp]

These were good moves all around. We don't have to resign any of these people if it doesn't work out. No commitment. The time it would take to develop one of those 2nd rounders doesn't line up with our future window anyway in all probability. Barron couldn't crack McKegg. If we lose the 1st to WPG so be it.

The moves we made helps THIS CURRENT VERSION OF THE TEAM absolutely. It gives this particular group a better shot. Not an elite, top tier contender shot, but a better shot then prior to yesterday without any mortgaging.

However, the BEST VERSION of this era is hopefully not going to be what we are icing come April. MAS is right about the *dwindling* prospect pool. We must figure out what our center situation is going to look like. The team should hope it includes Chytil, and we should too, but personally I doubt it. We don't have anyone in the short>mid term to step up. We will have to use assets to get one, and we should still have a bunch of them when the time comes.

Our near future success is dependent on cost controlled peaking young players.

 

[TheBPA]

We don't have a realistic chance this year. You don't toss away future chances to make yourself feel better about right now.

You seem to equate "realistic" with "more likely than not". No team has ever been more likely than not to win the Cup in the cap era.

Let's just take the Flames for example, everyone's current darling. They have about an 11% chance of winning the cup according to most models, meaning 89% of the time they won't. If I incessantly post that the Flames aren't going to win the cup and then they don't, which was the likely outcome 89/100 times, it doesn't make me a genius for "being right" or mean that they shouldn't have traded for Toffoli or Jarnkrok, it just makes me annoying for trying to prove that I'm validated by pointing out the outcome that everyone in the world already knows is most likely.

We absolutely have a realistic shot this year. They almost certainly will play Pitt in the first round, who they can definitely beat. After that, who knows who you play.

The added depth gives us a much better shot against Carolina, assuming they beat Washington, and if they don't, we're favorites against the Caps.

Yes they would have to beat one of the Atlantic teams and then whoever emerges from the West. It can be done, it's not some impossible task. This isn't some RPG video game where you build your characters to have enough strength to take down the final boss. The puck bounces, players get injured, the awful Montreal Canadiens make the Cup finals.

Just let it breathe and give the team a chance.

 

[Black Tank]

This has been a fun thread but you know what makes it even more enjoyable? Hearing about the Jersey shitshow and their hapless GM sitting around waiting for somebody, anybody to call and slowly realizing that your roster is so piss poor that not a single PO team is interested in what you've got. At least that doddering old man on the Island did something. Too bad for their fans it was extending Clutterbuck and Parise. In 2022. Just let that sink in. Lol Lol Lol. Two absolutely hopeless, pathetic franchises with nothing to look forward to until the draft in the summer.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

The prospect pool ISN'T in the top third of the league, it's closer to the bottom third at this point. And the "bleeding to stop," is that it's short numerous young top 6 forwards that it needs to be a true Cup contender both now and long term.

This will all be more apparent once we don't win a Cup this year and are short all those picks we gave away and we are no closer to competing against the Hurricanes and Avalanche of the world.

Too many people here think that you build into a mediocre playoff team and the job is done and rely on luck. Those types of teams rarely win. We don't measure up against the best of the best yet and never will at this rate.

The Rangers have a “bottom third” prospect pool because their elite young talent has graduated to the NHL.

Lafreniere, Kakko, Chytil, Schneider + Lundkvist (on some lists) Miller, Fox all don’t count because they have made the NHL.

It’s misleading to say that. We need 1 high end center and to keep drafting to replenish, but Drury didn’t give up anything of significant value. We can pick up mid round picks in the off-season to throw darts at the wall.

 

[McRanger92]

I think the desire to cut down Fox's overall minutes is a bit weird. He's our best defenseman and skater. He's going to play 28 min/night in the playoffs no matter who we acquire.

Though I would like to see his PK time reduced especially with Braun here.

Rangers have put themselves in a strong position to rest everyone at points down the stretch, as they should. this season has been an unprecedented grind and this team has plans to play another 25-30 playoff games. Keep everyone fresh because its all hands on deck time.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I do not want a "continual rebuild."

People don't remember but I was all aboard for the Panarin signing and the Trouba trade when they happened. Jeez, the fights I was in arguing with people who were against signing Panarin. I was like party #1 advocating why we needed him.

But I also don't want to be a second round exit team that tries to ride a hot goalie for the next decade. I've seen that movie. It doesn't have a happy ending.

We were like 2 more trades away from having a forward core that matched our defensive core. All we needed to do was accept the Kreider for Robertson and a first trade and then maybe like one more deal - either moving out Strome or Buch for a similar package.

We passed on that.

Now we are short critical long term pieces.

Ok, they picked Kreider over more youth. They valued Kreider.

Fine. But they still need the youth from somewhere else. You can't whiff on Andersson, Howden, and Kravtsov and only hit on Lafreniere and Kakko and think everything is fine with your forwards.

We aren't. We need to backfill those 2-3 misses with similar young talents who actually work out.

If we actually "hit" on Lafreniere and Kakko you wouldn't be having this discussion. Those two guys coming out of the gate underachieving has changed the entire landscape of the rebuild.

 

[DialUp]

pathetic franchises with nothing to look forward to

Not exactly, they are looking forward to whichever game knocks us out of the playoffs. More so than anything their teams would do anyway.

 

[GAGLine]

We don't have a realistic chance this year. You don't toss away future chances to make yourself feel better about right now.

We didn't toss away anything. Do you really believe that Barron and 2 2nd round picks are going to be the difference between whether or not we win a cup in the future?

We still have 4 picks this year, 5 if Winnipeg decides to take the 2023 2nd instead. No matter what happens, at least one of those picks will be in the top 2 rounds. If we don't make the ECF and Winnipeg takes the 2023 pick, then all we gave up this year is Barron and a 2nd. We'd still have a 1st and 2nd left, plus 3 other picks.

Instead of focusing on what we gave up, maybe you should go take a look at everything we didn't give up, because we still have a ton of assets that can either help us win or help us obtain that players that will help us win.

 

[DialUp]

If we actually "hit" on Lafreniere and Kakko you wouldn't be having this discussion. Those two guys coming out of the gate underachieving has changed the entire landscape of the rebuild.

This list really should include Lias and Kravtsov and to a smaller extent Chytil

 

[IDvsEGO]

This list really should include Lias and Kravtsov and to a smaller extent Chytil

Chytil should absolutely not be in that conversation of "misses" for his draft spot he's done well. The Lias miss makes Chytil more glaring as Lias was supposed to be a low ceiling low floor guy.
But for 21st overall he's absolutely not a bust. He's an NHL player, he's a middle 6 guy, he's just not a 2c at the age of 22.

 

[DialUp]

Chytil should absolutely not be in that conversation of "misses" for his draft spot he's done well. The Lias miss makes Chytil more glaring as Lias was supposed to be a low ceiling low floor guy.
But for 21st overall he's absolutely not a bust. He's an NHL player, he's a middle 6 guy, he's just not a 2c at the age of 22.

fair enough. when I think of a "hit' I look at Miller, Schneider. Maybe I am just biased against Chytil.

 

[bhamill]

I read his ASK was 5million per at 4years, and Winnipeg didn’t want to. His ask in NY may be different. Guess we will see.