Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[Retired]

He's nothing like Chris Pronger lol

He’s atill a kid watch him get those elbows up after a few break-ups and a losing streak

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

He's close to PPG in junior tournaments! PPG in junior is nothing for such high picks. He scored 20 points in 30 pro games this year, if you take out 8, it makes 12. It's nowhere near PPG.

I think you need to re-read. You're completepy off of what I said. Nothing to do with Juniors, nor about being PPG

More PPG than Ovy.

 

[Bombshell11]

No kid will say they don't want to play in the NHL right away.

what are we doing here,

 

[FF de Mars]

I think Hughes said he wasn’t projecting him on the PP.

I'm surprised, it must be wrong, I'm sure St-Louis sees him on the PP at some point anyhow. His teammate on RDS said he's running his Swiss-A team's powerplay already.

I think you need to re-read. You're completepy off of what I said. Nothing to do with Juniors, nor about being PPG

More PPG than Ovy.

Not if you take 12 in 30 and compare it with Ovy's 23 in 53? Moreover Ovy must have weighted at least 60 pounds more and was 6 inches taller and skated faster. Moreover Ovy played for a real team wheras Michkov played for Sochi. Michkov has 0 points in 3 games with SKA, how many points would have he scored had he played on a real team too?

 

[TomKosto]

i dont understand how people can want a kid that doesnt even want to play in north america over a kid with a good head on his shoulders that can keep a full time job as a head hunter while being a top NHL prospect

Michkov doesn't want to play in the NHL? ok bud. I just see Michkov with higher ceilling and we need an offensive superstar. I ranked Michkov higher like pretty much everyone else. Habs went for the safer pick. We will see which decision was the better. I don't hate Reinbacher, just wanted Michkov, but hey it's life. All that for saying that he doesn't play like Pronger at all, and yes I've watch some tape.

 

[Retired]

what are we doing here,

That’s way too deep for this forum

 

[SlafCaufield]

Michkov doesn't want to play in the NHL? ok bud. I just see Michkov with higher ceilling and we need an offensive superstar. I ranked Michkov higher like pretty much everyone else. Habs went for the safer pick. We will see which decision was the better. I don't hate Reinbacher, just wanted Michkov, but hey it's life. All that for saying that he doesn't play like Pronger at all, and yes I've watch some tape.

michkov is unmotivated,,

most of us had Reinbacher #2 on our lists behind Bedard

 

[FLHabs]

This pick has to many similarities to the 2005 Carey Price pick. The reaction from fans is pretty much exactly the same.

I've definitely warmed up to Reinbacher. I think I understand what Hughes is trying to build. Michkov would've been great for sure, but maybe they're just really high on Caufield being the superstar that we all think Michkov could be. Whether that will be the case remains to be seen.

Reinbacher, Hutson, Guhle, Mailloux, Xhekaj, Barron, Harris, Struble, Engstrom all under 23 is a very good place to be sitting when it comes to the future of the D-corp.

We all want that 100 point guy, but if you look at the past 10 cup winners, none of them had a 100 point forward...

I believe Suzuki and Caufield can become reliable PPG players. With a proper supporting cast built around those two, and a mobile puck moving defensive corp that can also be very solid in their own zone could make for a pretty competitive team imo. All that's missing is a goalie prospect to take charge and show they can be a true #1.

 

[TomKosto]

michkov is unmotivated,,

most of us had Reinbacher #2 on our lists behind Bedard

Sure bud

 

[FF de Mars]

This pick has to many similarities to the 2005 Carey Price pick. The reaction from fans is pretty much exactly the same.

I've definitely warmed up to Reinbacher. I think I understand what Hughes is trying to build. Michkov would've been great for sure, but maybe they're just really high on Caufield being the superstar that we all think Michkov could be. Whether that will be the case remains to be seen.

Reinbacher, Hutson, Guhle, Mailloux, Xhekaj, Barron, Harris, Struble, Engstrom all under 23 is a very good place to be sitting when it comes to the future of the D-corp.

We all want that 100 point guy, but if you look at the past 10 cup winners, none of them had a 100 point forward...

I believe Suzuki and Caufield can become reliable PPG players. With a proper supporting cast built around those two, and a mobile puck moving defensive corp that can also be very solid in their own zone could make for a pretty competitive team imo. All that's missing is a goalie prospect to take charge and show they can be a true #1.

As soon as I saw Carey on the podium I knew it couldn't be Michkov, I was like they're sending us a message through this!

 

[NORiculous]

It’s a really weak argument.

Defensemen take longer to hit their prime and make an impact, it made a lot of sense to add someone like Reinbacher to the fold now. Waiting another 1-3 years could hold this core back.

It wasn’t the sexy pick most of us wanted, but it was a smart pick.

Valid point.

Question: When was the last time the Habs had a true PPG+ player that can lead the offence, the you put when you have 2 minutes left and you know that if he has a shot, he is going to score?

The answer is Lafleur. Michkov might not be that guy but he might. That chance is well worth the #5 and worth much more than Reinbacher. But some people don’t want to lose their jobs because Slafkovsky had a bad year. Imagine if they have two top picks fail…

 

[SlafCaufield]

Valid point.

Question: When was the last time the Habs had a true PPG+ player that can lead the offence, the you put when you have 2 minutes left and you know that if he has a shot, he is going to score?

The answer is Lafleur. Michkov might not be that guy but he might. That chance is well worth the #5 and worth much more than Reinbacher. But some people don’t want to lose their jobs because Slafkovsky had a bad year. Imagine if they have two top picks fail…

Cole and Suzuki

honestly it looks like Koko is developing into that too with the Canes unfortunately

 

[DAChampion]

Valid point.

Question: When was the last time the Habs had a true PPG+ player that can lead the offence, the you put when you have 2 minutes left and you know that if he has a shot, he is going to score?

The answer is Lafleur. Michkov might not be that guy but he might. That chance is well worth the #5 and worth much more than Reinbacher. But some people don’t want to lose their jobs because Slafkovsky had a bad year. Imagine if they have two top picks fail…

The Habs need a Lafleur, but they also need a Markov/Subban.

What it comes down to is they evaluated Reinbacher as being more likely than Mitchkov to be a great NHLer three to five years down the line.

 

[NORiculous]

As soon as I saw Carey on the podium I knew it couldn't be Michkov, I was like they're sending us a message through this!

The difference is Price was categorized potentiel franchise player for the start.

Michkov had that same potential franchise player potential

Reinbacher? Not so much. Hughes even said he had potential of a 2D. Not even top D.

Completely different.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

2nd wave likely. I think he wouldn’t kill you if he manned a 1st wave but I don’t think the creativity is there. But because he has a good shot that option would likely open up some good passing lanes.

It's ok, but nothing to write home about. As you said somewhere else, 2nd pairing D is probably his floor. 2nd shutdown defenseman is probably his ceiling. But Hedman he is not.



It's 3 goals and 19 assists. Let's not go crazy here.



You know, I remember you (and Larek) from the old Habfans boards. Aren't you tired of this boring defensive safeness we've been engaging in for 30 years? How has the worked out for us? Vegas showed up 6 years ago, engaged in competent roster building, and now have a cup to their name.



Molson is a horrible f***ing owner, much worse than many of the other ones. I'm sure his panties were in a knot after the Mailloux controversy a few years ago. I hope that we are one day rid of him. Maybe then, I'll take a look at the team again.


Ah, Here's Arpon Cucksu to to do some shilling damage control for his meal ticket.

oh shit. Right on. Did you have the same handle? I think I remember it. My memory is garbage. So you know my sordid past! haha.

I actually am. I’ve watched since 88-89 and all I have is Kovalev in 07-08. A slums and Richer were great but not quite. A couple others . It’s actually insane.

You can check my old posts. I’ve been pumping Reinbacher’s tires for a couple months at least. I just have a real good feeling about that type of D man.

I have zero problem with people being pissed about missing out on Michkov. Even though I wasn’t completely sold. And tbh even I was hoping for Michkov and a bit underwhelmed by the pick initially . I started feeling the hype train.

But I’m not having any talk of Reinbacher being a bum lol. If he had even an ounce more flash people would be super pumped. I’m not completely sold on the forwards in this draft. I could be wrong.

I’m certainly not convinced Jiricek and Michkov are like orders of magnitude better than Slaf and Reinbacher.

Am I 100% Rein backer is a #1? No.
Does he have that upside? Absolutely.

I can’t see him being less than a no.3. That’s a crazy high floor.

He’s got crazy analytics and the guy actually produced points. Plus he kills the eye test. Even if you think analytics are complete garbage, he still passes the other 2 tests with flying colours.

I think it’s a fantastic pick. Him and Guhle back there just reeks of playoff success. We’re gonna love what Reinbacher does for our transition game

 

[NORiculous]

Cole and Suzuki

honestly it looks like Koko is developing into that too with the Canes unfortunately

Caufield might… that is true.

But having another one could not hurt. It would help a lot actually.

Specially considering Hughes said Reinbacher is potential a #2 D with no PP.

Doesn’t feel like a top 5 pick in an incredible draft.

The fact that the Habs scouts were unanimous Reinbacher was the pick... They should all be fired and Lapointe should be the first to go. They are trying to PR their asses out of this.

 

[Dawnbringer]

Just to add some perspective, back in 1995, at 8th overall Mtl drafted Ted '10"cock' Hitchcock.

 

[FF de Mars]

The difference is Price was categorized potentiel franchise player for the start.

Michkov had that same potential franchise player potential

Reinbacher? Not so much. Hughes even said he had potential of a 2D. Not even top D.

Completely different.

Franchise player, what does that even mean? It's just a word. 1D, 2D, what does that mean too? It's the same to me, it means 1st pairing. I'll have to check Hughes' presser because there are answers I find odd, I'm being told Hugues said he's a 2D and that he won't play on the PP...

 

[SlafCaufield]

im a BACHHEAD!!! lets rideeee

 

[Draft]

What about the professionals who watched Michkov play on behalf of the Flyers?

Apparently they saw something completely different than the Habs.

If there were so many red flags or they were so obvious, how did the Flyers not act on them? How does a selection so close to the Habs’ 5th, cause a state of complete elation? Could it be that the Flyers know something that we don’t?

What if the Flyers were impressed when they spent time with him and his family (which despite our vast resources, we didn’t do). Could that not be possible too? Is that not a more hands-on due diligence act?

Organizations that surround themselves with yes-men are doomed to fail and that’s in any arena. If I were Habs management, I would not be using that argument as evidence of strong decision-making. They need different POVs around the table and based on how they all reacted on that critical decision that was this unique opportunity in a rare, quality forward draft, it does not bode well.

Too many false equivalencies and assumptions. The Flyers didn’t have a choice between Reinbacher and Michkov and since when is that organization one to emulate? Would they have been elated if Reinbacher was their pick? How elated would Arizona (who also passed on Michkov) be if Reinbacher were available? We can see that the Habs are well connected in Russia and we have some evidence that they are competent evaluators of talent given last year’s trades and draft picks (which have conveniently been forgotten).

Red flags when comparing between two equivalent prospects is enough to create consensus. Those red flags could be about Michkov being a horrible teammate, could be that he was entirely unwilling to sign with MTL, could be that he’s shown no growth over the last year of development - it’s all speculation. All we know is that the Habs chose Reinbacher and they’re happy about it. If you feel you know more about the nuances of these players and how they’ll develop, I guess that’s your prerogative.

 

[Natey]

This pick has to many similarities to the 2005 Carey Price pick. The reaction from fans is pretty much exactly the same.

I've definitely warmed up to Reinbacher. I think I understand what Hughes is trying to build. Michkov would've been great for sure, but maybe they're just really high on Caufield being the superstar that we all think Michkov could be. Whether that will be the case remains to be seen.

Reinbacher, Hutson, Guhle, Mailloux, Xhekaj, Barron, Harris, Struble, Engstrom all under 23 is a very good place to be sitting when it comes to the future of the D-corp.

We all want that 100 point guy, but if you look at the past 10 cup winners, none of them had a 100 point forward...

I believe Suzuki and Caufield can become reliable PPG players. With a proper supporting cast built around those two, and a mobile puck moving defensive corp that can also be very solid in their own zone could make for a pretty competitive team imo. All that's missing is a goalie prospect to take charge and show they can be a true #1.

Have you seen Kucherov?

I'm not saying anything about our pick here, but to say Kucherov isn't really an 100 point player is kind of... twisting the truth.

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

I would have taken a chance at Michkov even if we were too see him play in 3 years. As for who they selected, seems like an interesting pick and long-term project like Slaf. He might become another Komisarek or the next Weber.

 

[HabzSauce]

Caufield might… that is true.

But having another one could not hurt. It would help a lot actually.

Specially considering Hughes said Reinbacher is potential a #2 D with no PP.

Doesn’t feel like a top 5 pick in an incredible draft.

The fact that the Habs scouts were unanimous Reinbacher was the pick... They should all be fired and Lapointe should be the first to go. They are trying to PR their asses out of this.

Man idk why they're saying he projects as a 2D with no PP.

I see SO many tools with this kid as is. He looks so mature for his age playing defence against men in Swiss league already. And he looks very aggressive too, both offensively and defensively.

Just a smart, mobile, big RD that still has lots of room for growth. Again he is only 18. Can't wait till he's 22-23. I see 1RD with PP time all day.

Still need to watch a lot more of him to get a better assessment. But yea idk everyone saying he's gonna be a 2-4D like Seabrook and I'm just shaking my head. This dude looks GOOD

 

[Draft]

He's close to PPG in junior tournaments! PPG in junior is nothing for such high picks. He scored 20 points in 30 pro games this year, if you take out 8, it makes 12. It's nowhere near PPG. Now we need to find similar undersized russians who scored at that rate and compare.

We could also try and find a KHL prospect who had an entire team built around him and given every possible opportunity to produce. That’s not the norm for KHL prospects.

 

[Whitesnake]