Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[Hinterland]

He lacks the tools to ever be a big time producer like a Seider or Heiskanen whos names have been thrown around a bit.

His value comes with how high his floor is and how advanced he is, not because of his ceiling.

You think a guy "lacking tools" can score 12 even strength primary assists in his draft year in the NL as a defender? On a bad team that just got promoted? You think you can do that just by being lucky?

You're out to lunch. Reinbacher has generational hockey IQ, vision and passing. He can turn defense into offense better than anybody else and dominated the league. That's why he scored those points. He's the master of transition. This should also translate to the NHL well. Reinbacher will find his teammates with quality passes even with no space and from behind his own net. Can't do that if you're "lacking tools".

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

That is not true at all.

He is in a rapid uptrending developement curve. His ceiling is as high/equivalent in value as any forward in this draft after the franchise C.

He has 1RD ceiling and thats as rare as a 1C.

You think he has Seider/Heiskanen level tools?

 

[Xirik]

I thought Habs fans wanted a fast rebuild that got them contending in a year or two?

If you take Mitchkov you wait three years and then hope he has a Kaprizov like 1st season which isn't guaranteed.

 

[Jaynki]

You think he has Seider/Heiskanen level tools?

Yes.

He is also as good a prospect as Nemec/Jiricek.

 

[Belial]

Okay, boys and girls was nice to meet you!

 

[Whitesnake]

HfHabs: We NEED an elite forward, draft Michkov!
HuGo: We need a RHD, we're gonna take a Reinbacher
HfHabs: Drafting for need?!?!? Wtf!!

And inb4 people say 'yes but michkov was the BPA', sure he was, on bobs list, but obviously not the habs. Or coyotes for that matter.

KH: We picked Reinbacher 'cause we believe he's top 2 material and for us, he was just the best player out there

KH: We picked Reinbacher 'cause we wanted to add a RD to our lineup and he was the best player to do so.

Same player. Different strategy. Whether we agree or not, if Habs THINK that Reinbacher was the BPA....he was THEN the BEST PLAYER.

But Hughes does NOT sell him that way right now. It's that simple.

 

[dinodebino]

I'm willing to concede that a defenseman can have more proportional impact on a team than a forward, for the simple reason they play more icetime and have more control over the entire flow of the game.

But this new tradition of Montreal never having an exciting impact forward superstar is getting old fast. We had Kovalev who did it for ~2 years in 2008 and 2009, and that's it. When we were winning cups, we had a great defense and goaltending, but we also had star forwards.

I wanted it too man. You’re young. I lived through the glory years. I lived with my idol (see avatar). I miss that period where winning with flair was everything. I do.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

You think a guy "lacking tools" can score 12 even strength primary assists in his draft year the NL as a defender? On a bad team that just got promoted? You think you can do that jush by being lucky?

You're out to lunch. Reinbacher has generational hockey IQ, vision and passing. He can turn defense into offense better than anybody else and dominated the league. That's why he scored those points. He's the master of transition. This should also translate to the NHL well. Reinbacher will find his teammates with quality passes even with no space and from behind his own net. Can't do that if you're "lacking tools".

He has tools, I’m not saying he’s a bottom pairing guy. But Seider and Heiskanen have elite tools for a dmen.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I think the concern I have, two hours after the Habs made their draft pick and four years before we can begin to see whether they made the right choice...

If the Habs reach that contending stage and need another piece to get over the hump, if they need a solid #3 D, you can acquire guys like that and it isn't exorbitant (ex Petry for a 2nd and a 5th, Toews for two 2nds, Severson for 6.25 AAV + a mid pick). If the need is a 90-point scorer, the price is substantially higher.

The hope is Reinbacher turns into Hedman or Pietrangelo where his acquisition cost would rival the 90-point forward. But if he tops out at Petry, this will be a massive missed opportunity and will be this regime's Kostitsyn draft moment.

His strength is his D. He’ll be infinitely better than Petry from that perspective. If we get Petry type offense to go with it, I’d be very happy. He doesn’t need to be an 80 point player to make it a good pick.

And I suspect he’ll be paired with Hutson who will need defensive support. I don’t think there’s any doubt he’ll help us. Seems to be a really solid player.

But… it’s the opportunity cost that matters. What did we leave on the table with Mich? I don’t know. I was hoping for a franchise scorer.

 

[Vachon23]

How do you equal going D with needs? Have you looked at every team and their respective pool? They were all missing left D's?

We went for a RIGHT D. Not even a D. But a RIGHT one.

We took that draft and just deleted 5/6 of the existing positions on the ice. Knowing that we are STILL going to be in rebuild NEXT year, as of today, in the 1st round, there are 5 RIGHT D pencilled to go inthe 1st round.

We decided to use THIS year to AIM a specific position. It's just plain stupid.

We don‘t have a single clue of what the draft will look like next year

Yager Ritchie Allen where all top 10 players last year

 

[BenchBrawl]

The worst thing about all this is that Reinbacher is exactly the type of defenseman I love. Big, strong, great first pass. Capable in all three zones.

I'm a big believer in having size and toughness on the blueline. That's probably why I was never too excited about Lane Hutson, even if I concede you can afford to have one small player if he's surrounded by giants, a bit like in the "Ice Hockey" videogame on the NES, 1988.

But Matvei Michkov was available, so it ruins the whole thing for me.

 

[Omar]

KH: We picked Reinbacher 'cause we believe he's top 2 material and for us, he was just the best player out there

KH: We picked Reinbacher 'cause we wanted to add a RD to our lineup and he was the best player to do so.

Same player. Different strategy. Whether we agree or not, if Habs THINK that Reinbacher was the BPA....he was THEN the BEST PLAYER.

But Hughes does NOT sell him that way right now. It's that simple.

Simply put- they said they’d take the player with the most talent. They didn’t.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Louis LeBlanc was really bright too.

But our coaches were idiots.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Yes.

He is also as good a prospect as Nemec/Jiricek.

We will see. If he becomes this elite point producing #1 dman I’ll eat my hat.

 

[Whitesnake]

Guess we got to start giving Pronman his flowers. Pretty much called the last two Habs picks and agrees with their rankings.

True. Kudos to HockeyProspects for having placed Carlsson No2 and Easten Cowan at the 29th spot...lol

 

[Koivu11]

 

[Whitesnake]

Well, star RHD are a rare commodity. I understand that. Championship teams have been built with that too.

It saddens me that we did not get the potential offensive star. Really does.

I don’t think I’m in left field when I write that HuGo want to build a foundation based on the same principles the Booins have carried over the last decades. David seems to fit the mold.

Great. Right now, 5 RHD are pencilled to go 1st round...based on the fact that they are rare commodity...and still will be next year, should we just scout the RD?

 

[dinodebino]

Big difference for me between someone who complain about the pick and someone who have questions about that pick. I do consider you where complaining

Yes i was. I am disappointed because this was a historic draft. And I was reading you guys and it seemed like the forward need would be addressed and it wasn’t.
But now, I want to understand.

 

[Gustave]

It’s not about need but about value

Center and Dmen (Even more RD, since they are more rare) are the most valuable postions and you will pay more to have that

Like for QB, Edge and LT in the football

Yea RD are at a premium, but you need to acknowledge what Hughes literally said; LD was a no go, RD was the shit considering what we have in place. He drafted for need.

Reinbacher is a good prospect, I am not disputing that. I’m not a fan of the strategy though. There’s no disputing the player, but the reason why is bothersome for me. I’d trade and sign for need, but drafting is BPA for me.

 

[Elvis Rambo]

Good Pick.
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[JRichard]

Guhle, Hutson, Reinbacher, Barron, Harris, Xhekaj, Mailloux, Engstrom, Kovacevic, Trudeau, Norlinder, Struble, Nurmi

Crowded D pool, still missing a #1D

Nurmi?
7th rounder?
Why is he in that list?

 

[Bombshell11]

When is he projected to be ready for NHL duty and for that matter play top pair minutes?

 

[Koivu11]

Absolutely unbelievable.

We might have missed on Matvei Michkov because Reinbacher is right-handed.

BPA my ass.

He also said we’d be drafting the most talented player available.

In what world is Reinbacher more talented than Michkov? lmao

 

[Belial]

He has tools, I’m not saying he’s a bottom pairing guy. But Seider and Heiskanen have elite tools for a dmen.

If they drafted him so high they think he has the tools!