Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[Jaynki]

It's a tiny sample to draw any conclusion from. Framing it against what Benson has done over 8 games is even more ridiculous.

Seriously, if 15pts is what separates you loving this pick or hating it, why bother even watching hockey?

Just look at box scores every morning you’ll get the same out of it.

Well i totally agree on this.

I am also pretty sure that 32 GM out of 32 choose Slaf over Benson.

 

[montreal]

Who said that was my benchmark? Lol you asked me to provide you with a list of players WHO WERE SLOW COOKED.

I proceeded to provide you with just that, you didn't ask for a detailed breakdown of each individual players specific situation as it relates to how ready they were for the NHL.

You asked for a very superficial analysis of players I qualified as being “slow cooked”. That's what I did.

I'm just holding up the mirror, don't blame me if you don't like the reflection.


I made up nothing...David Fischer played 4 full years of NCAA hockey followed by 2 full years in the ECHL, you can go verify that if you want.

How many more years do you think he needed before he finally broke through?

Another 5 years in the ECHL, followed by another 233 games like Plekanec in the AHL and he was finally going to fulfill the promise the Habs saw when they passed on Claude Giroux for him?

Again, see analogy about the mirror above.

Again, he played 33 freaking games as a 19 year old...anyone who actually believes, like you do, that that's what ruined his career is drinking the piss.

What the hell is wrong with you? Go pontificate by people who are actually impressed by your youtube channel.

You got the wrong one

What does David Fischer playing in the ECHL have to do with him being slow cooked by us? Again it's just utter nonsense.

DLR in the NHL at 19, where did I say that ruined him? That's right I didn't. It's f***ING INSANE to suggest that a 19 year old playing in the NHL is slow cook, it makes NO f***ING Sense at all. How could anyone suggest such bullshit. You got called on your bullshit, don't turn this around on me, don't make this personal, it has nothing to do with me having a youtube ch, it's about posters just looking to argue as there's no way anyone actually believes that at 19 year old in the NHL is slow cook.

Too many posters here want to argue the sky isn't blue.

 

[montreal]

Imagine if Slafkovsky has a 0.5ppg in his rookie season. How happy we'd be.

it wouldn't matter, fans were mostly happy with KK and Galchenyuk's 1st year in the NHL but the KK threads showed very clearly why this fan base can't withstand a full rebuild as the fans just have zero patience and turn on players so quickly when they struggle.

Development takes years in most cases but to many fans if you aren't in the NHL scoring left and right you suck and will never get better down the road.

 

[montreal]

I am also pretty sure that 32 GM out of 32 choose Slaf over Benson.

I don't know if that's true or not but it doesn't mean much since our GM's alone traded Sergachev for Drouin and McDonagh for Gomez. Clearly not all GMs are very bright but you can bet for sure they know someone high up in management.

 

[417]

What does David Fischer playing in the ECHL have to do with him being slow cooked by us? Again it's just utter nonsense.

It's not nonsense...go back and follow the conversation.

You asked me to provide a list of players that I could point to that were not rushed but who still didn't make an impact as NHL players.

David Fischer, is one of those players...he played 4 FULL YEARS IN THE NCAA and then another 2 in the ECHL (by that time i'm pretty sure the organization knew he was a bust).

It's no nonsense, you're just not happy I was so easily able to meet that weak ass challenge you put forth.

DLR in the NHL at 19, where did I say that ruined him? That's right I didn't. It's f***ING INSANE to suggest that a 19 year old playing in the NHL is slow cook, it makes NO f***ING Sense at all. How could anyone suggest such bullshit. You got called on your bullshit, don't turn this around on me, don't make this personal, it has nothing to do with me having a youtube ch, it's about posters just looking to argue as there's no way anyone actually believes that at 19 year old in the NHL is slow cook.

It's f****ING INSANE to suggest that a 19 year old playing in the NHL wasn't "slow cooked" when he actually ended up playing 99 AHL games before the age of 22 years old, which is when he actually became a full fledged every day NHL player.

That's how I can suggest such bullshit, because it's facts...it's there, go look it up if you don't believe me. You didn't call me on anything, you asked me to provide a list, I did so...it was easy.

And don't tell me to not make things personal after you decided to make it personal...F around and find out you got the wrong one.

Posters looking to argue, are you here on planet earth? YOU ASKED ME TO PROVIDE YOU WITH A LIST OF PLAYERS WHO WERE BROUGHT ALONG SLOWLY, and then when I did that, YOU TURNED AROUND AND TOLD ME I WAS WASTING YOUR TIME.

And instead of engaging in a discussion, something other posters here have been able to do with me no problem, you try to act like my opinion isn't worth your time or posting here, like you're some gatekeeper of prospect development.

F**k outta here!

Too many posters here want to argue the sky isn't blue.

and too many posters here want you to believe in fairy tales and put your ability to think critically aside.

Thank God my parents taught me to think for myself and not just repeat weak ass truism parroted by people who have illusions of grandioso.

Please revel me with amazing hockey proverbs like "The NHL is not a developmental league" or "It never hurt a player to stay in the AHL for another year".

Yawn!

 

[montreal]

It's not nonsense...go back and follow the conversation.

You asked me to provide a list of players that I could point to that were not rushed but who still didn't make an impact as NHL players.

David Fischer, is one of those players...he played 4 FULL YEARS IN THE NCAA and then another 2 in the ECHL (by that time i'm pretty sure the organization knew he was a bust).

It's no nonsense, you're just not happy I was so easily able to meet that weak ass challenge you put forth.

It's f****ING INSANE to suggest that a 19 year old playing in the NHL wasn't "slow cooked" when he actually ended up playing 99 AHL games before the age of 22 years old, which is when he actually became a full fledged every day NHL player.

That's how I can suggest such bullshit, because it's facts...it's there, go look it up if you don't believe me. You didn't call me on anything, you asked me to provide a list, I did so...it was easy.

And don't tell me to not make things personal after you decided to make it personal...F around and find out you got the wrong one.

Posters looking to argue, are you here on planet earth? YOU ASKED ME TO PROVIDE YOU WITH A LIST OF PLAYERS WHO WERE BROUGHT ALONG SLOWLY, and then when I did that, YOU TURNED AROUND AND TOLD ME I WAS WASTING YOUR TIME.

And instead of engaging in a discussion, something other posters here have been able to do with me no problem, you try to act like my opinion isn't worth your time or posting here, like you're some gatekeeper of prospect development.

F**k outta here!

and too many posters here want you to believe in fairy tales and put your ability to think critically aside.

Thank God my parents taught me to think for myself and not just repeat weak ass truism parroted by people who have a illusions of grandioso

David Fischer was NOT in the Habs organization after the NCAA and if you recall, the Habs tried to sign him after his 2nd year, which is how they got the comp pick when they didn't sign him after 4 years.

This is 100% what I am talking about. I don't get it why posters want to argue when they don't know what they are talking about. There is no way in the world, the Habs slow cooked David Fischer or DLR. I stopped reading the list because it's clearly just some BS.

how the f*** did I make it personal, I never once said anything about you yet you didn't post about my opinions but about me and that's actually against the rules. So yea don't make it personal.

 

[417]

David Fischer was NOT in the Habs organization after the NCAA and if you recall, the Habs tried to sign him after his 2nd year, which is how they got the comp pick when they didn't sign him after 4 years.

David Fischer was never signed to an ELC because he didn't show the team a damn thing while playing at the University of Minnesota. He showed ZERO progress.

The team didn't rush him by signing him to an ELC and shoving him straight into the AHL and then the NHL. They let him play out 4 full years of college and then just let his rights expire.

Even after his full 4 years of NCAA (which for a 1st round pick, is almost unheard of), he played 2 more full years in the ECHL and not a single NHL team thought despite all of that development time in both the NCAA and ECHL, that he was even worth a minor league deal.

If i'm to believe what you've written, all of that time in the NCAA and minors...he should have at least gotten a contract offer from someone?

Wonder why that is???

This is 100% what I am talking about. I don't get it why posters want to argue when they don't know what they are talking about. There is no way in the world, the Habs slow cooked David Fischer or DLR. I stopped reading the list because it's clearly just some BS.

How is it I don't know what i'm talking about when what you're saying I don't know what i'm talking about, is purely subjective??? .

I mean, how do YOU define "slow cooked"? Maybe we have entirely different definitions of that subjective term.

To act like there some scientific proven definition of that is what i'm talking about when it comes to you sitting on your high horse and pontificating and talking down to me like my opinion here isn't worth posting or discussing.

how the f*** did I make it personal, I never once said anything about you yet you didn't post about my opinions but about me and that's actually against the rules. So yea don't make it personal.

Are you serious?

You asked me to provide you with a list...I emphasize, YOU ASKED ME.

When I provided that list, instead of discussing the names provided and engaging in a conversation. You responded with.

"The list is a complete joke and a waste of time".

You don't want things to be personal, then respect others opinions because no one here is an expert...not even you.

 

[Toene]

Lets take it to the Slaf thread, ok? See you there @417

 

[montreal]

David Fischer was never signed to an ELC because he didn't show the team a damn thing while playing at the University of Minnesota. He showed ZERO progress.

The team didn't rush him by signing him to an ELC and shoving him straight into the AHL and then the NHL. They let him play out 4 full years of college and then just let his rights expire.

Even after his full 4 years of NCAA (which for a 1st round pick, is almost unheard of), he played 2 more full years in the ECHL and not a single NHL team thought despite all of that development time in both the NCAA and ECHL, that he was even worth a minor league deal.

If i'm to believe what you've written, all of that time in the NCAA and minors...he should have at least gotten a contract offer from someone?

Wonder why that is???

How is it I don't know what i'm talking about when what you're saying I don't know what i'm talking about, is purely subjective??? .

I mean, how do YOU define "slow cooked"? Maybe we have entirely different definitions of that subjective term.

To act like there some scientific proven definition of that is what i'm talking about when it comes to you sitting on your high horse and pontificating and talking down to me like my opinion here isn't worth posting or discussing.

Are you serious?

You asked me to provide you with a list...I emphasize, YOU ASKED ME.

When I provided that list, instead of discussing the names provided and engaging in a conversation. You responded with.

"The list is a complete joke and a waste of time".

You don't want things to be personal, then respect others opinions because no one here is an expert...not even you.

Again that's incorrect. Fischer did improve and that's why the Habs offered him a contract in his 2nd year. But that has nothing to do with anything, cause how in the world could it be slow cooking when they tried to get him to the AHL, you CAN"T do anything more then that. You can't make a player sign so what more could you do? Nothing.

The list was BS, I called you on it, I wasn't going to go through 20 some names when you put in BS names that we ALL know we not rushed. It was so bad that clearly you were not arguing in good faith and just wasting time with nonsense. It is ok to attack someone's opinion, it is NOT ok to make it personal. This is not me asking, it's HF's rule for the past 20+ years.

 

[417]

Again that's incorrect. Fischer did improve and that's why the Habs offered him a contract in his 2nd year. But that has nothing to do with anything, cause how in the world could it be slow cooking when they tried to get him to the AHL, you CAN"T do anything more then that. You can't make a player sign so what more could you do? Nothing.

Not true…they offered him a contract before his rights were about to expire but that was just a formality and mechanism to assure that they'd get the 2nd round pick compensation.

He turned the offer down because both sides knew they weren't interested in continuing that association.

It was never offered after his 2nd year. Here you are on your high horse but spreading misinformation at the same time and telling me I don't know what I'm talking about.

Pffftt

The list was BS, I called you on it, I wasn't going to go through 20 some names when you put in BS names that we ALL know we not rushed. It was so bad that clearly you were not arguing in good faith and just wasting time with nonsense. It is ok to attack someone's opinion, it is NOT ok to make it personal. This is not me asking, it's HF's rule for the past 20+ years.

This list isn't BS, you just don't agree with how I qualify the players as “slow cooked” which is again, semantics.

Of course you didn't go through the 20 names…its beneath you.

Hockey royalty over here.

There was nothing bad with the list...but again, don't disrespect people and then whine about things being personal.

How about you obey HF rules before you go talking about people, if the mods have an issue with anything I say, they'll contact me.

In the meantime, keep being smug and I'm going to respond accordingly.

If you didn't like my list or thought it was bullshit and a waste of your time…keep it moving and ignore it or don't respond.

Plenty of people here feel humble enough to participate in discussions even if they don't agree. You're the only one here acting like he’s above having discussions.

 

[417]

Again that's incorrect. Fischer did improve and that's why the Habs offered him a contract in his 2nd year. But that has nothing to do with anything, cause how in the world could it be slow cooking when they tried to get him to the AHL, you CAN"T do anything more then that. You can't make a player sign so what more could you do? Nothing.

Young Subban a veteran of Habs rookie camp – Sportsnet.ca

www.sportsnet.ca

Absent was 2006 first-round pick David Fischer, whose days as a Canadiens prospect look to be done.

Gauthier said the team does not expect to make an offer to the University of Minnesota defencemen. They will get a compensatory draft pick if they let Fischer go. The pick should be 50th overall in 2011, or the 20th pick of the second round, as Fischer was selected 20th overall in his draft year.

"We’ve advised his representative that we probably won’t make him an offer and he’ll become an unrestricted free agent on Aug. 15," Gauthier said. "We reserve the right to change our mind on that, but it looks like that’s what’s going to happen."

But yeah…i’m full of shit and don't know what I'm talking about.

 

[1909]

He didn't want too.

I dunno. It seems the Habs brass decided Kloten was best for him.

 

[montreal]

Young Subban a veteran of Habs rookie camp – Sportsnet.ca

www.sportsnet.ca

Absent was 2006 first-round pick David Fischer, whose days as a Canadiens prospect look to be done.

Gauthier said the team does not expect to make an offer to the University of Minnesota defencemen. They will get a compensatory draft pick if they let Fischer go. The pick should be 50th overall in 2011, or the 20th pick of the second round, as Fischer was selected 20th overall in his draft year.

"We’ve advised his representative that we probably won’t make him an offer and he’ll become an unrestricted free agent on Aug. 15," Gauthier said. "We reserve the right to change our mind on that, but it looks like that’s what’s going to happen."

But yeah…i’m full of shit and don't know what I'm talking about.

Young Subban a veteran of Habs rookie camp – Sportsnet.ca

www.sportsnet.ca

Absent was 2006 first-round pick David Fischer, whose days as a Canadiens prospect look to be done.

Gauthier said the team does not expect to make an offer to the University of Minnesota defencemen. They will get a compensatory draft pick if they let Fischer go. The pick should be 50th overall in 2011, or the 20th pick of the second round, as Fischer was selected 20th overall in his draft year.

"We’ve advised his representative that we probably won’t make him an offer and he’ll become an unrestricted free agent on Aug. 15," Gauthier said. "We reserve the right to change our mind on that, but it looks like that’s what’s going to happen."

But yeah…i’m full of shit and don't know what I'm talking about.

Bob Gainey tried to sign him in his 2nd season, his first season he was stuck behind Eric Johnson (both Freshman RD's).

He got injured in his Junior year if memory severs and regressed in his Senior year so they opted not to sign him that year. But what does any of this have to do with him being slow cooked by the Habs? How can you slow cook someone that isn't good enough to begin with since it was said teams had him as a ND at the draft. It makes no sense at all.

 

[417]

Bob Gainey tried to sign him in his 2nd season, his first season he was stuck behind Eric Johnson (both Freshman RD's).

Funny he never mentions that.

He got injured in his Junior year if memory severs and regressed in his Senior year so they opted not to sign him that year. But what does any of this have to do with him being slow cooked by the Habs? How can you slow cook someone that isn't good enough to begin with since it was said teams had him as a ND at the draft. It makes no sense at all.

Isn't the whole point of a prospect playing in college and then then AHL, to-develop-them-to-be-good-enough for the NHL.?

Isn't that you're entire premise? Lol

 

[Scriptor]

Seriously, someone should intervene and cut both of you out on this subject. The thread has become unreadable and unbearable, all at once.

Talk by private message on this subject, please, and stop polluting the thread just trying to be right.

 

[Natey]

I dunno. It seems the Habs brass decided Kloten was best for him.

He literally said at the draft he wanted to finish school and would go back lol

 

[OnTheRun]

He literally said at the draft he wanted to finish school and would go back lol

Part of the story his missing here. Mere hours after the draft management were already floating around the idea of sending him back to Europe for a year because angry "fans" were harassing him, his girlfriend and his family because he had committed the unforgivable sin of being selected by the Habs.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Nice kid, like him, fine with the pick and hope he has a successful career where ever he plays.

I just make sarcastic jokes about draft d just because the org is full and fairly empty on forwards.

D group is looking promising and Reiner is leading them/at the front.

 

[montreal]

Funny he never mentions that.

Isn't the whole point of a prospect playing in college and then then AHL, to-develop-them-to-be-good-enough for the NHL.?

Isn't that you're entire premise? Lol

how's it slow cooked if it's the wrong pick? What do the Habs do wrong?

 

[417]

how's it slow cooked if it's the wrong pick? What do the Habs do wrong?

You’re off on a completely different tangent now.

 

[themilosh]

I hear you. We've been so starved for talent, I would have been ready to try to break the mold and win with two lines, with the following two 2 duos:

Michkov - Suzuki - Roy
Caufield - Dach - Slaf

Just would have liked to have seen if they could do it. Maybe down the line we get another big fellow to play on the Suzuki line and Roy moves down to the 3rd line.

Or, after we picked Reinbacher, would Arizona have prefered Hutson to Shimashev? Could we have traded Hutson to Arizona for the 6th pick and taken Michkov after Reinbacher? Should we have even if we could have?

I was hoping for Michkov too, at least as a trade chip in 3 years, but the reality is in 3 years (good luck) trying to trade Michkov for a stud, smooth skating, shut down 1st pairing D.

as for forwards, we have a solid group of middle 6, and plenty for 4th line. if we can finish bottom 2 this year we will be aces.

 

[26Mats]

I was hoping for Michkov too, at least as a trade chip in 3 years, but the reality is in 3 years (good luck) trying to trade Michkov for a stud, smooth skating, shut down 1st pairing D.

as for forwards, we have a solid group of middle 6, and plenty for 4th line. if we can finish bottom 2 this year we will be aces.

It really would be incredible if we get a really high draft pick this year.

Hopefully Higjes aggressively tries to make this happen. Move the goalie that is most likely to win the most games this year. Move Savard by the TDL. I want to keep a healthy Monahan, but if you think you can finish bottom two by moving him, you have to do it.

 

[Heffyhoof]

Seriously, someone should intervene and cut both of you out on this subject. The thread has become unreadable and unbearable, all at once.

Talk by private message on this subject, please, and stop polluting the thread just trying to be right.

Really? As far as content in the Reinbacher thread, I prefer reading their arguement to coming in here to see Michkov's name written longingly 20-50 times a page.

 

[Scriptor]

Really? As far as content in the Reinbacher thread, I prefer reading their arguement to coming in here to see Michkov's name written longingly 20-50 times a page.

That is a convincing argument. lol

Touché!

Thanks about making me laugh about something so pathetic (the Michkov thing).

 

[Legend123]

I was hoping to see more from him. His game is a bit basic