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Prospect Info: David Reinbacher
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MasterMatt25
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SlafySZN
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Good for him, this is a thread about David Reinbacher!
Jaynki
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True.
According to our standards tho Buffalo is rushing him and on the verge of killing his career.
I’m guessing this post has to do with Slafkovsky? If Benson can maintain a 40 point pace he’s ready for the NHL and would meet our standards. Slafkovsky is pacing for half of that. That does not meet a lot of standards.
WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
Yet we can see the growth in his game and he's starting to earn points lately in addition to the growth of his game.
Does that not matter?
Jaynki
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Slaf was pacing for that after his 8 first game and he had a goal.
There just so much more to it.
If he can manage to stop going in 10-15 game slumps.
Yeah I know points and scoring don’t matter with Slaf. They just a bonus when they happen.
Jaynki
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I know, when they happened in a very spectacular fashion, they were the result of small sample, weak tournament.
Supersonic
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Seeing this thread bumped to the top, I assumed I was gonna get some sweet Reinbacher updates or even highlights
Oh mama I was wrong
This thread has gotten so out of hand that even Montreal is swearing, Jesus Christ guys
I hope we never get a top pick again cuz this is just too much holy f***
Oh mama I was wrong
This thread has gotten so out of hand that even Montreal is swearing, Jesus Christ guys
I hope we never get a top pick again cuz this is just too much holy f***
The Gr8 Dane
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I get what you're saying but the team has been dog meat for 30 years.
So i can't get behind the opinion that habs fans don't deserve nice things when we've been watching a bottom 5 NHL product during the entire 21st century.
Saying I hope we never get a top pick again is ridiculous especially when its MANAGEMENT and OWNERSHIP making decisions not the freaking fans who pay 200$ a ticket to watch Davey Deharnais be 1C for 5 years and ice the worst top 6 in the league year after year after year after year after year.
God forbid we are critical on a message board about our dysfunctional franchise riding on the pines of ancient history.
26Mats
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Evaluating who we chose at 1st OA and 5th OA is probably evaluating management's two most important decisions so far in the rebuild.
But that evaluation shouldn't be done in the threads about the players. Do the mods agree? Should those missions be in the Bobrov/Lapointe thread?
WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
Those evaluations shouldn't be done this early either..
Byfield is just starting to find his game in the NHL.. last year you could crucify the Kings for the selection, now, not nearly as much.
26Mats
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Absolutely. But if people want to make them I don'tt think they can be stopped from making them. They can be criticized for making them. But imo discussions of who we should have picked and when it's too early to evaluate should be in the head scout or managmebt threads, not the threads about the players selected.
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WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
Man I wish we were as good as Buffalo.
16 years of unprecedented rebuild success.
Ahh...see this is what actually started it all, because I was responding to a comment that said;;
"Doesn't mean taking things slowly is the wrong approach but when you have rushed so many and every time it blows up in your face, the math says try something different."
You can find that comment here:
Prospect Info: - David Reinbacher
Nobody thinks Reinbacher has the offense that Seider has. obviously Habs feel he’s got makings of top pairing Dman… That team was built on a weekend and using a clean slate, not to mention the leverage they held by being able to select at will, several solid unprotected players from their...
So what you're telling me is that I can't associate taking things slowly and it blowing up in their faces, but the opposite can be true?
How does that work?
How is it a weird statement if YOU believe the opposite is true?
For the record, I don't ACTUALLY believe that the players I listed didn't end up being NHL players because the team took things slowly with them. That would be a silly argument to make.
But maybe now you can understand WHY i said it, because I keep being told and keep reading that the opposite (rushing them), is what ruins players.
You can't believe one thing (that rushing players ruins them), and simultaneously dismiss the other (that taking things slowly can ruin them).
It's paradoxical lol
If you believe entire careers can be ruined because of the single act of rushing players, then you must believe the opposite is also true, that the single act of taking it slow, can also ruin them.
That's the EXACT point...me suggesting that taking it slow harmed them is as ridiculous as someone saying rushing them harmed them.
Neither angle can be proven. I can't support the argument that Player X ended up being a bust because he spent too much time in the AHL, anymore than you can support the argument that Player Y ended up being a bust because he was rushed.
No, that's not my thesis at all...my thesis is that it's impossible to pinpoint the EXACT cause of what damaged a player and in the absence of evidence, advancing theories that said career was damaged because it was rushed, is as fluffy as saying the opposite, that it was damaged because he spent too much time in the AHL.
And yes, I intentionally presented a strawman argument because the argument that players are damaged exclusively because they were rushed, is just as much of a strawman.
100 agreed. I said as much that it's a debate of semantics...people can define "slow cooked" differently.
See above referenced post
Prospect Info: - David Reinbacher
Thanks. I think the misunderstanding is that you're using the word talent the way others use the word skill. To a tough approximation: skill = talent + experience + conditioning. Mesar doesn't currently have the skill to play in the NHL, but he does have the talent, or at least I hope he...
But have you considered the possibility that Reinbacher will also struggle in his D+1 season? or that whenever he does make his NHL debut, regardless of how his D+1 season went, he will also struggle?
Struggling IS a part of development....not ever player is Connor McDavid off the bat, that in itself is not necessarily a sign that development has stalled or has regressed.
I would agree with your last statement that dressing a player at 18yrs old in this market is very risky, but that's only if you're terrible at managing the messaging as an organization. Fans/media expectations on players don't have to drive your evaluation of said player.
Clearly the organization and the coaching staff are evaluating Slafkovsky on a different scale than fans are.
Like you said, KK is fine...Galchenyuk has SERIOUS off ice issues. That wouldn't have been any different if he started in the NHL at 19yrs old like he did or if he started in the NHL at 20 or 21. He didn't take the job of being a professional hockey player seriously.
Full stop.
You're asking the wrong question...the question you should be asking is what is the upside? Is it for him to rediscover his confidence?
Then OK...but taking an NHL player and sending him down to the AHL to reclaim his confidence seems counter-intuitive to me.
Yet we DO IT ALL THE TIME whenever we say a prospect was "rushed".
I agree, it's incredibly difficult and really, impossible to really isolate the definite factors behind a failed prospect, see my first response to you above with regards to "my thesis".
Now maybe you get my angle here.
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Imagine if Slafkovsky has a 0.5ppg in his rookie season. How happy we'd be.
Jaynki
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He is pacing for 0 goals and 41 assist.
That would be strangest rookie season i would have ever witnessed.
His entire argument is that we’d be so much more happy if Slafkovsky had 28pts in 57 career games instead of the 13pts in 57 career games he currently has.
All that fuss for 15pts imagine lol…THAT’s the difference between being happy with the pick or not.
Lol
WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
Hard to notice improvements on the ice when you are watching tik tok all game long.
Jaynki
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Well i can't say he is not right tho.
But, its not the end-all-be-all right now.
Same kinda goes for Reinbacher. We can feel the fomo seeing Michkov PPG in the KHL while Reinbacher hockey db page is bad. I just watch Reinbacher, and @montreal makes it very easy for us and i feel instantly reassured as he is a terrific two-way rh defenseman with a boatload of potential.
It's a tiny sample to draw any conclusion from. Framing it against what Benson has done over 8 games is even more ridiculous.
Seriously, if 15pts is what separates you loving this pick or hating it, why bother even watching hockey?
Just look at box scores every morning you’ll get the same out of it.
I've got not fomo for Michkov personally…Habs fans love to act like he was a birthright but 4 other teams passed on him.
I don't watch NLA or KHL, the only thing I can go off for Reinbacher is what I saw at Camp and he looked like a very poised Dman at 18yrs old.
Bodes well…
Redux91
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You'd be complaining about the 0 goals
Be realistic with yourself at least ffs
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