Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[Rapala]

I also don't see Pietrangelo in Reinbacher.

LOLOLOLOL
I don't either...
I do wonder however what I will see when he reaches Pietrangelo's maturity level. I laugh just about every time I read a take on a prospect who isn't even out of their diapers yet when comparing them to a current veteran star player in the NHL. How about the fact that Reinbacher's % outscored Pietrangelo's 1st and 2nd year in his OHL campaign while doing it in a pro league? I have to assume you must remember exactly how Pietrangelo was his draft year in the OHL. His every strength his every weakness? What age and what expertise did you have in 2007-2008? If you are 25 yrs old today you were 10 yrs old then if you are 30 yrs old today you were an extremely bright 15 year old then. If you are 35 yrs old today you may have had reasonable judgement as a 20 year old. Please tell me you are older or at least you spent extensive time studying Pietrangelo's archives.

 

[Kaladin]

LOLOLOLOL
I don't either...
I do wonder however what I will see when he reaches Pietrangelo's maturity level. I laugh just about every time I read a take on a prospect who isn't even out of their diapers yet when comparing them to a current veteran star player in the NHL. How about the fact that Reinbacher's % outscored Pietrangelo's 1st and 2nd year in his OHL campaign while doing it in a pro league? I have to assume you must remember exactly how Pietrangelo was his draft year in the OHL. His every strength his every weakness? What age and what expertise did you have in 2007-2008? If you are 25 yrs old today you were 10 yrs old then if you are 30 yrs old today you were an extremely bright 15 year old then. If you are 35 yrs old today you may have had reasonable judgement as a 20 year old. Please tell me you are older or at least you spent extensive time studying Pietrangelo's archives.

You alright there? Laughing that much can cause aneurisms.

If you retreat from your troll mode I'm obviously comparing Reinbacher's tools with Pietrangelo's tools today. Can a player develop into a Pietrangelo? Sure, may as well say that about any prospect. In Pietro's first full season he hit 40+ points let alone at maturity. Is that what you're projecting for Reinbacher in his first season? No? Why not? He outscored his % apparently in his 1st and 2nd year. I also said Pietro has PP tools which Reinbacher doesn't apparently. As stated by our own GM and many scouts. If you feel differently I'd love to hear why. Please respond in detail with your findings that refute our own management and pro scouts.

Can't wait.

 

[Kaladin]

People understood what he said wrong.

"Hughes on what he considers Reinbacher's ceiling to be:

Probably a D2. I'm not sure he's going to run a first power play in the National Hockey League. I'm not big on putting numbers on players, be it D1, D2... If there's a power play defenseman in the NHL, is he your number one or is it somebody who's shutting the play down on one end and launching it on the other end? [Regardless], I think he has the potential to log very significant minutes for our team."

It honestly just boils down to your definition but I'd ask you to describe to me how many #1D in the NHL that don't run a powerplay? Clearly, Hughes feels Reinbacher' doesn't have the tools to be effective at that.

I've said before and I'll say it again, he will be a very good player for us. But people who keep comparing him to actual #1D's that do everything like a Pietrangelo are doing Reinbacher a disservice. He may develop into a all facets #1D but he isn't currently projected to be one. Not even by our GM. Open to hearing if I understood his quote up there wrong.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

"Hughes on what he considers Reinbacher's ceiling to be:

Probably a D2. I'm not sure he's going to run a first power play in the National Hockey League. I'm not big on putting numbers on players, be it D1, D2... If there's a power play defenseman in the NHL, is he your number one or is it somebody who's shutting the play down on one end and launching it on the other end? [Regardless], I think he has the potential to log very significant minutes for our team."

It honestly just boils down to your definition but I'd ask you to describe to me how many #1D in the NHL that don't run a powerplay? Clearly, Hughes feels Reinbacher' doesn't have the tools to be effective at that.

I've said before and I'll say it again, he will be a very good player for us. But people who keep comparing him to actual #1D's that do everything like a Pietrangelo are doing Reinbacher a disservice. He may develop into an all facets #1D but he isn't currently projected to be one. Not even by our GM. Open to hearing if I understood his quote up there wrong.

Hughes calling him a D2 is interesting. Either he’s trying to undersell him to manage expectations or he genuinely believes it, in which case I don’t think he’d have taken him 5th overall. I thought it was weird if him to say it.

 

[the valiant effort]

"Hughes on what he considers Reinbacher's ceiling to be:

Probably a D2. I'm not sure he's going to run a first power play in the National Hockey League. I'm not big on putting numbers on players, be it D1, D2... If there's a power play defenseman in the NHL, is he your number one or is it somebody who's shutting the play down on one end and launching it on the other end? [Regardless], I think he has the potential to log very significant minutes for our team."

It honestly just boils down to your definition but I'd ask you to describe to me how many #1D in the NHL that don't run a powerplay? Clearly, Hughes feels Reinbacher' doesn't have the tools to be effective at that.

I've said before and I'll say it again, he will be a very good player for us. But people who keep comparing him to actual #1D's that do everything like a Pietrangelo are doing Reinbacher a disservice. He may develop into a all facets #1D but he isn't currently projected to be one. Not even by our GM. Open to hearing if I understood his quote up there wrong.

First example that comes to mind is Slavin, who has often been hailed as the prototype #1D (I don’t exactly agree with that) for the modern game.

Regarding Pietrangelo, if this team’s best option for a PP QB is one of his level when its ready to compete I will be very disappointed lol

 

[Tyson]

Hughes calling him a D2 is interesting. Either he’s trying to undersell him to manage expectations or he genuinely believes it, in which case I don’t think he’d have taken him 5th overall. I thought it was weird if him to say it.

Hughes is lowering the expectations. Smart and strategic GM

 

[Retired]

Just watched his aug 15 game highlights. Looked better going north than shutting down for sure... Seems real comfortable on the pp.

 

[Goldenhands]

"Hughes on what he considers Reinbacher's ceiling to be:

Probably a D2. I'm not sure he's going to run a first power play in the National Hockey League. I'm not big on putting numbers on players, be it D1, D2... If there's a power play defenseman in the NHL, is he your number one or is it somebody who's shutting the play down on one end and launching it on the other end? [Regardless], I think he has the potential to log very significant minutes for our team."

It honestly just boils down to your definition but I'd ask you to describe to me how many #1D in the NHL that don't run a powerplay? Clearly, Hughes feels Reinbacher' doesn't have the tools to be effective at that.

I've said before and I'll say it again, he will be a very good player for us. But people who keep comparing him to actual #1D's that do everything like a Pietrangelo are doing Reinbacher a disservice. He may develop into a all facets #1D but he isn't currently projected to be one. Not even by our GM. Open to hearing if I understood his quote up there wrong.

Its funny you ask how many #1 dont run a top PP unit and then mention Pietrangelo just after who run Vegas 2nd PP unit. Seider still is not great at running a top PP unit. Sergachev plays behind Hedman, Who will run Ottawa top PP unit in the future, Chabot or Sanderson? Who will run Sabres top PP unit, Dahlin or Power? Werenski or Jiricek?

Reinbacher has the tools to run one of our top PP units, but who cares with Hutson, Engstrom in the system? He was drafted to play big minutes and be an all situations guy, not running a top PP unit wouldnt be an issue at all for us and will likely come cheaper when its time to sign a long term contract. Having a PP specialist like a Hutson has its advantages...

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Hughes is lowering the expectations. Smart and strategic GM

It opens up criticism as to why he was drafted though... I don't know why you (Hughes) make that comment.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Its funny you ask how many #1 dont run a top PP unit and then mention Pietrangelo just after who run Vegas 2nd PP unit. Seider still is not great at running a top PP unit. Sergachev plays behind Hedman, Who will run Ottawa top PP unit in the future, Chabot or Sanderson? Who will run Sabres top PP unit, Dahlin or Power? Werenski or Jiricek?

Reinbacher has the tools to run one of our top PP units, but who cares with Hutson, Engstrom in the system? He was drafted to play big minutes and be an all situations guy, not running a top PP unit wouldnt be an issue at all for us and will likely come cheaper when its time to sign a long term contract. Having a PP specialist like a Hutson has its advantages...

Mailloux and Hutson running the PP would be interesting. He's got some good skill. Some of the goals he scored for the Knights this year were absolutely sick.

 

[Andy]

Reminds me a little of Bouwmeester from what I've read and the highlights I've watched.

Let's hope that unlike JayBo, he can handle the pressure of being a top pairing D.

 

[Goldenhands]

Mailloux and Hutson running the PP would be interesting. He's got some good skill. Some of the goals he scored for the Knights this year were absolutely sick.

If Mailloux can improve his pace and processing speed, he is no doubt a candidate for the PP, but there are some IQ issues when it comes to Mailloux that I dont have with Reinbacher, Engstrom or Hutson, his tools are great, but doesnt always take the good decisions when it comes to his passing or shooting selections. Reinbacher has some great tools too and walks the line better than Mailloux already. Mailloux will need to move his feet more, I saw him get caught flat footed a couple of times, McCagg thinks Mailloux is the most NHL ready among our D group, I disagree, he is going to need some seasoning in the AHL, I think Engstrom and Reinbacher are both closer than him.

 

[Kaladin]

Its funny you ask how many #1 dont run a top PP unit and then mention Pietrangelo just after who run Vegas 2nd PP unit. Seider still is not great at running a top PP unit. Sergachev plays behind Hedman, Who will run Ottawa top PP unit in the future, Chabot or Sanderson? Who will run Sabres top PP unit, Dahlin or Power? Werenski or Jiricek?

Reinbacher has the tools to run one of our top PP units, but who cares with Hutson, Engstrom in the system? He was drafted to play big minutes and be an all situations guy, not running a top PP unit wouldnt be an issue at all for us and will likely come cheaper when its time to sign a long term contract. Having a PP specialist like a Hutson has its advantages...

Pietrangelo averages 2+ minutes of Powerplay TOI. That's hardly 2nd PP unit time. Look it up yourself. Seider is given that responsibility. Sergachev wasn't considered a #1D for most until last season when he started overtaking those duties from Hedman. I don't think anyone considers Sanderson a #1D yet so we'll see how it shakes out. Buffalo is an anomaly with 2 #1 overall picks playing D lol hardly something to base the rest of the league on. Here's the thing though I doubt reinbacher will even run our #2 powerplay. Mailloux, Engstrom, Hutson, Matheson all project as better PP players. How many #1D run no powerplays? lol.

I don't think it'll be an issue for us that he doesn't run one if a player like Hutson does indeed reach his potential. But if he doesn't and let's face it his projection faces risks then you'd ideally want Reinbacher to be the kind of D who we could trust to run a top powerplay given our investment.

First example that comes to mind is Slavin, who has often been hailed as the prototype #1D (I don’t exactly agree with that) for the modern game.

Regarding Pietrangelo, if this team’s best option for a PP QB is one of his level when its ready to compete I will be very disappointed lol

Slavin actually seems like a much better comparable for Reinbacher's ceiling given everything we've heard from management and pro scouts. Wish habs fans would stop hyping the kid into something he's not. It'll lead to just more harrassment for the poor kid.

 

[montreal]

Reminds me a little of Bouwmeester from what I've read and the highlights I've watched.

Let's hope that unlike JayBo, he can handle the pressure of being a top pairing D.

he doesn't have the skating of JayBo though who would not be the same player if not for that elite skating/mobility.

I'm not sure he's going to be a top pairing D, but the good thing is we have a bunch of guys that in a few years you hope one of them can take that big leap and end up a top pairing D or as close to one as we can get or we will never turn this around any time soon.

 

[Goldenhands]

Pietrangelo averages 2+ minutes of Powerplay TOI. That's hardly 2nd PP unit time. Look it up yourself. Seider is given that responsibility. Sergachev wasn't considered a #1D for most until last season when he started overtaking those duties from Hedman. I don't think anyone considers Sanderson a #1D yet so we'll see how it shakes out. Buffalo is an anomaly with 2 #1 overall picks playing D lol hardly something to base the rest of the league on. Here's the thing though I doubt reinbacher will even run our #2 powerplay. Mailloux, Engstrom, Hutson, Matheson all project as better PP players. How many #1D run no powerplays? lol.

I don't think it'll be an issue for us that he doesn't run one if a player like Hutson does indeed reach his potential. But if he doesn't and let's face it his projection faces risks then you'd ideally want Reinbacher to be the kind of D who we could trust to run a top powerplay given our investment.


Slavin actually seems like a much better comparable for Reinbacher's ceiling given everything we've heard from management and pro scouts. Wish habs fans would stop hyping the kid into something he's not. It'll lead to just more harrassment for the poor kid.

Pietrangelo still is listed on the 2nd PP unit, Theodore pivot the 1st. Seider isnt an ideal PP quarterback, he is elite at defending, great on transition, but so far his tenure on the PP isnt great from what Ive seen and the Wings will have some other great options in Edvinsson, Sandin-Pellika, Wallinder. Seider remains a very solid and valuable top pairing defenseman even if his PP prowess never pans out and show some limitations.

Luke Hughes vs Simon Nemec, who ends up on the top PP unit? Jiricek vs Werenski?

Is the guy quarterbacking the top PP unit always the #1 defenseman on his team? Most of the times yes, but not always. I gave you alot of exemples of situations where the 2nd guy still is top pairing quality, what means a #1 or #2 defenseman, what Reinbacher exactly projects to be.

As for your own expectations, better to have it low I guess, but you are quite wrong, Reinbacher do have the tools to quarterback one of those units one day.

 

[Hacketts]

"Hughes on what he considers Reinbacher's ceiling to be:

Probably a D2. I'm not sure he's going to run a first power play in the National Hockey League. I'm not big on putting numbers on players, be it D1, D2... If there's a power play defenseman in the NHL, is he your number one or is it somebody who's shutting the play down on one end and launching it on the other end? [Regardless], I think he has the potential to log very significant minutes for our team."

It honestly just boils down to your definition but I'd ask you to describe to me how many #1D in the NHL that don't run a powerplay? Clearly, Hughes feels Reinbacher' doesn't have the tools to be effective at that.

I've said before and I'll say it again, he will be a very good player for us. But people who keep comparing him to actual #1D's that do everything like a Pietrangelo are doing Reinbacher a disservice. He may develop into a all facets #1D but he isn't currently projected to be one. Not even by our GM. Open to hearing if I understood his quote up there wrong.

Last season he wasn't projected to go in the 1st round.

 

[Rapala]

You alright there? Laughing that much can cause aneurisms.

If you retreat from your troll mode I'm obviously comparing Reinbacher's tools with Pietrangelo's tools today. Can a player develop into a Pietrangelo? Sure, may as well say that about any prospect. In Pietro's first full season he hit 40+ points let alone at maturity. Is that what you're projecting for Reinbacher in his first season? No? Why not? He outscored his % apparently in his 1st and 2nd year. I also said Pietro has PP tools which Reinbacher doesn't apparently. As stated by our own GM and many scouts. If you feel differently I'd love to hear why. Please respond in detail with your findings that refute our own management and pro scouts.

Can't wait.

I apologize for my apparent trollishness. But my point remains the same. Our GM was clearly downplaying Reinbacher's potential when he spoke of him. What I'm telling you is give the lad the 2 more years of development before making any bold predictions about the type of player he can become.

 

[Jack Skellington]

Last season he wasn't projected to go in the 1st round.

That's pretty irrelevant. Cam Allen was ranked in the top 5-10 and was the top ranked dman last season.

 

[Hacketts]

That's pretty irrelevant. Cam Allen was ranked in the top 5-10 and was the top ranked dman last season.

My point being that it's hard to gauge Reinbacher's projection at this point, considering he made such a leap in a single season.

 

[sansabri]

doesn't D2 just mean the top RD on the team? he didn't say a 2D

 

[montreal]

doesn't D2 just mean the top RD on the team? he didn't say a 2D

it's an odd way to say it, if they felt he would be playing on the top pairing but as the 2nd best D on that pairing, why not just say he has top pairing upside since as the top RD he would be on the top pairing like Komisarek was on Markov's pairing.

That said it would make sense to down play things a bit after such a bad reaction by the fan base to the point that they were caught off-guard. So saying he could end up a 2nd pairing D might take a little pressure off him from the media and fans perhaps.

I have to say I'm still a bit mixed on it all. I can see why they would pick him but I also see a lot of scouting reports i've seen from posters aren't really correct but in the same vein in the 10 or 11 games that i've seen I would have a really hard time pinpointing just what he is as clearly he has impressive gap control but i've seen some bad decisions in his own end that certainly make me question to some degree just how good his defensive game really is since some were making it out like he was already plus plus defensively to use a baseball scouting term (I like to scout Milb)

On the other hand people question his offense and rightly so but the playmaking/passing is legit so he's going to put up points. I wish he would shoot more, reminds me of when I was watching Romanov in the KHL and would beg to see even 1 shot a game just so I can get a better look at.

 

[sansabri]

it's an odd way to say it, if they felt he would be playing on the top pairing but as the 2nd best D on that pairing, why not just say he has top pairing upside since as the top RD he would be on the top pairing like Komisarek was on Markov's pairing.

That said it would make sense to down play things a bit after such a bad reaction by the fan base to the point that they were caught off-guard. So saying he could end up a 2nd pairing D might take a little pressure off him from the media and fans perhaps.

I have to say I'm still a bit mixed on it all. I can see why they would pick him but I also see a lot of scouting reports i've seen from posters aren't really correct but in the same vein in the 10 or 11 games that i've seen I would have a really hard time pinpointing just what he is as clearly he has impressive gap control but i've seen some bad decisions in his own end that certainly make me question to some degree just how good his defensive game really is since some were making it out like he was already plus plus defensively to use a baseball scouting term (I like to scout Milb)

On the other hand people question his offense and rightly so but the playmaking/passing is legit so he's going to put up points. I wish he would shoot more, reminds me of when I was watching Romanov in the KHL and would beg to see even 1 shot a game just so I can get a better look at.

i feel like it might just be as simple as Hughes' team board has the D lines going
D1 D2
D3 D4
D5 D6

 

[montreal]

i feel like it might just be as simple as Hughes' team board has the D lines going
D1 D2
D3 D4
D5 D6

which is why it would make more sense to just say top pairing D if that's what he meant as it would be clearer.

 

[Miller Time]

The wordsmith / semantic game some of you are playing is odd...

What we do know definitively is that Hughes & the org. felt that Reinbacher was the best choice at 5th overall in this draft.

Where he ends up as an NHLer is TBD. Safe to say that if it's less than a top pairing caliber, minute eating NHL regular, it'll be a disappointment & a miss by the team given the presumed quality and depth of talent in this draft.

 

[Ezpz]

To be honest if his ceiling is a top 4 D then it was a bad pick. It has been shown time and again that you can find dmen in the end of the first or the second round. Except for some Russian exceptions, almost none of the 100-point guys or even 90-point guys were not drafted top 10. Robertson, Pasta, and point were the only guys over 85 points last year that weren't drafted top 10 or Russian.

If Reinbacher is a prime Suter or Weber, it is fine.