Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[HuGo Burner Acc]

Naw, he was never much good imo. Never had any elite skills. That’s what I look for and he never has any.
He’s was already a long shot to make it.

Fr, he wasn't even elite defensively. I was hoping he might develop into a good 3C but that was imo his ultimate ceiling. As a prospect, dude wasnt a good playmaker, didn't have a good shot, wasn't super chippy, wasn't an elite defender but he was a gamer which could help make up for the lack of other attributes. But it was always an uphill battle. Maybe by the time he's 26, he can be a good 3C in the league for a few years but I'm not holding my breathe

 

[SlafySZN]

We throw around terms like ‘superstar’ and ‘elite’ rather freely here. How many superstars do you actually think we have at any one time in the NHL? Yet we have a poster predicting seven on the Canadiens alone. I understand we live in inflationary times but is there category higher than Superstar?

I thought you were saying it’s a big ‘’if’’ that he stays healthy.

50 goals is a lot, but if there’s someone on the habs that have an elite trait it’s Caufield and his shot. I wouldn’t be that surprised if he actually does score 50.

But yes, you’re right. There’s not 7 futur superstars on the habs it’s impossible

 

[LaP]

Naw, he was never much good imo. Never had any elite skills. That’s what I look for and he never has any.
He’s was already a long shot to make it.

No but he has the tools to be a very good 3rd line player. Don't think he has the attitude though. He's kind of lazy and not dedicated. He's the Nathan Beaulieu of forwards.

 

[Retired]

We throw around terms like ‘superstar’ and ‘elite’ rather freely here. How many superstars do you actually think we have at any one time in the NHL? Yet we have a poster predicting seven on the Canadiens alone. I understand we live in inflationary times but is there category higher than Superstar?

Last one was Roy as far as I’m concerned, so none most years there are none on the habs for sure.

hey is Reinbacher not playing today?

 

[LaP]

We throw around terms like ‘superstar’ and ‘elite’ rather freely here. How many superstars do you actually think we have at any one time in the NHL? Yet we have a poster predicting seven on the Canadiens alone. I understand we live in inflationary times but is there category higher than Superstar?

On another hand sone guys around here have such a high standard for super stars and elite that Gretzky would barely pass.

Elite simply means a select group with superior abilities. Subban and Price in their prime were 100% elite without a doubt. They were part of a select group at defense and goalie.

Super stars simply means someone highly talented with public appeals (i.e. popular). Again Subban and Price were definitely super stars in their prime.

People mix those term with legend of generational. Both elite and super stars refer to a moment in time. You're among the elite at your shool. You're a super star for the 2020ies in music. There's no past implication for both term. They are both term that refer to the present.

If we talk about legend then it's different. To be a legend you need to have been good enough to be remembered many years after the fact. There's an historical implication about the word legend. Same for generational. It refers to a generation not just a moment in time.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

No but he has the tools to be a very good 3rd line player. Don't think he has the attitude though. He's kind of lazy and not dedicated. He's the Nathan Beaulieu of forwards.

I heard this about Beaulieu a lot and I never seen any evidence of it. I seen a lot of NB with the Sea dogs and his work ethic and effort were never in question. Was one of the hardest workers in the team imo.

 

[CHwest]

There was a large contingent on this site that felt the same way about Danault. The best was those that were saying Ryan Poehling was good enough to bump Danault down and make him expendable. Good times, Ryan Poehling, Habs future superstar.

There was a time when Poehling owned a 3 goal a game average.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

On another hand sone guys around here have such a high standard for super stars and elite that Gretzky would barely pass.

Elite simply means a select group with superior abilities. Subban and Price in their prime were 100% elite without a doubt. They were part of a select group at defense and goalie.

Super stars simply means someone highly talented with public appeals (i.e. popular). Again Subban and Price were definitely super stars in their prime.

People mix those term with legend of generational. Both elite and super stars refer to a moment in time. You're among the elite at your shool. You're a super star for the 2020ies in music. There's no past implication for both term. They are both term that refer to the present.

If we talk about legend then it's different. To be a legend you need to have been good enough to be remembered many years after the fact. There's an historical implication about the word legend. Same for generational. It refers to a generation not just a moment in time.

The whole conversation is nonsensical and doesn't mean anything. The term "superstar" is just a hyperbolic fan generated term that does not belong in any serious conversation. The use of "star", "superstar", "generational talent" are all wildly subjective and therefore serve very little purpose.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

On another hand sone guys around here have such a high standard for super stars and elite that Gretzky would barely pass.

Elite simply means a select group with superior abilities. Subban and Price in their prime were 100% elite without a doubt. They were part of a select group at defense and goalie.

Super stars simply means someone highly talented with public appeals (i.e. popular). Again Subban and Price were definitely super stars in their prime.

People mix those term with legend of generational. Both elite and super stars refer to a moment in time. You're among the elite at your shool. You're a super star for the 2020ies in music. There's no past implication for both term. They are both term that refer to the present.

If we talk about legend then it's different. To be a legend you need to have been good enough to be remembered many years after the fact. There's an historical implication about the word legend. Same for generational. It refers to a generation not just a moment in time.

Price was a top five player at his peak. Subban was a top three blueliner. Popular or not, they were superstars. Price will be a HOFer. Subban would’ve been if not for injuries.

Neither were obvious superstars when drafted though. And it’s the same now. We might have no superstars in the system or we might have a few. Too early to know. I think CC has a shot at it. We’ll see. Hutson and RB… how can we know now?

 

[ZUKI]

I heard this about Beaulieu a lot and I never seen any evidence of it. I seen a lot of NB with the Sea dogs and his work ethic and effort were never in question. Was one of the hardest workers in the team imo.

Chez Paré era started later

 

[mayday199]

With Beaulieu it was never an effort issue, I watched a lot of him in his Saint John Seadog days and giving 100% was not a problem. Beaulieu, whom I had as "Do not draft", was always an issue of "Has all the tools but no toolbox". That Seadogs team was stacked, I recall 3 first round picks, and good portion of the team got drafted. Huberdeau, Hoffman and Beaulieu were the only full time NHLers, though alot of guys got cups of coffee in the big league.

Beaulieu can skate, pass, shoot the puck and is physical. The problem is his hockey IQ hasn't never been strong enough to figure out when to do all these things at the right time in a hockey game moving at the speed it does in the NHL. There was some hope he could put it all together some NHL seasoning but not much has changed from his draft year in his "game-processing speed".

 

[Scriptor]

Chez Paré era started later

The Chez Paré era started a long time ago for the Habs and was around before the '93 Cup run.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

Price was a top five player at his peak. Subban was a top three blueliner. Popular or not, they were superstars. Price will be a HOFer. Subban would’ve been if not for injuries.

Neither were obvious superstars when drafted though. And it’s the same now. We might have no superstars in the system or we might have a few. Too early to know. I think CC has a shot at it. We’ll see. Hutson and RB… how can we know now?

Honestly talking about Carey Price triggers the crap out of me now. The better the Habs future looks the more upset I get that Habs wasted the career of such a transcendent talent. In 2015-16, he was on his way to another Hart contention season and without him from the beginning of the year, Habs would've probably been around a 70 pt team and in the Matthews discussion. I don't think I've ever seen a team change in performance so drastically when a single player is removed.

Glad to see Habs actually have competent people running it now. One important thing is they are building a collective instead of a team with individuals like most NHL teams do. Unless you have a generational talent like Crosby, McDavid, etc the sign of a well built team is not having to just point to one or two players as an illustration of the teams identity. For example Lafleur was that dude in the 70s but there was so much more than just one or two guys. At least half of that team is etched in the minds of every Habs fan

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Honestly talking about Carey Price triggers the crap out of me now. The better the Habs future looks the more upset I get that Habs wasted the career of such a transcendent talent. In 2015-16, he was on his way to another Hart contention season and without him from the beginning of the year, Habs would've probably been around a 70 pt team and in the Matthews discussion. I don't think I've ever seen a team change in performance so drastically when a single player is removed.

Glad to see Habs actually have competent people running it now. One important thing is they are building a collective instead of a team with individuals like most NHL teams do. Unless you have a generational talent like Crosby, McDavid, etc the sign of a well built team is not having to just point to one or two players as an illustration of the teams identity. For example Lafleur was that dude in the 70s but there was so much more than just one or two guys. At least half of that team is etched in the minds of every Habs fan

RB and Hutson could be great together. As fans, this is actually the fun part - watching them develop. Hopefully they or some others emerge as stars. We’re not going to know for a while. But you’ve got to be excited about Hutson. He’s been better than we ever could’ve hoped for.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

The whole conversation is nonsensical and doesn't mean anything. The term "superstar" is just a hyperbolic fan generated term that does not belong in any serious conversation. The use of "star", "superstar", "generational talent" are all wildly subjective and therefore serve very little purpose.

At its essence, professional sports is entertainment. And all entertainment venues need their hype. Movies have the Oscars, music has it Grammys and sports have their All-Star games and Halls of Fame. You got to promote your product. And nothing promotes your product whether on the big screen, the concert circuit or the sport arena more than superstars. Or endless discussions about those superstars.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

At its essence, professional sports is entertainment. And all entertainment venues need their hype. Movies have the Oscars, music has it Grammys and sports have their All-Star games and Halls of Fame. You got to promote your product. And nothing promotes your product whether on the big screen, the concert circuit or the sport arena more than superstars. Or endless discussions about those superstars.

Agreed!

As long as people limit such superlatives to casual discussions as opposed to trying to incorrectly use them as empirical evidence in analytical discussions.

 

[montreal]

 

[Retired]

Cheers, I actually hoped you would have a vid today

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

He's looking like a mix between Brière and Danault...

 

[Retired]

He's looking like a mix between Brière and Danault...

Outgrowing these pants real fast, good to see.

 

[Kaladin]

Reinbacher is a way better prospect than Hutson.

He's got a higher floor but he doesn't have Hutson's superstar potential. That's clear as day. There's a reason fans voted Hutson as our top prospect over Reinbacher. I actually think Reinbacher might slip down to 3rd next year in our prospect pool.

 

[BaseballCoach]

He's got a higher floor but he doesn't have Hutson's superstar potential. That's clear as day. There's a reason fans voted Hutson as our top prospect over Reinbacher. I actually think Reinbacher might slip down to 3rd next year in our prospect pool.

The reason is super-obviously to shift from simping on superstar Michkov. Prior to the Draft there were more people hesitatnt on Hutson, especially after the Worlds in which he was embarrassed. But the hopeful remain hopeful!

 

[montreal]

Cheers, I actually hoped you would have a vid today

I really wanted to get a good feel for his game going into this season as I didn't do that with Slaf and I should have (though it was likely due to not being able to find full games as Liiga are tough as shit to find) so it's been fun to watch him as he has some very interesting tools.

 

[Goldenhands]

He's got a higher floor but he doesn't have Hutson's superstar potential. That's clear as day. There's a reason fans voted Hutson as our top prospect over Reinbacher. I actually think Reinbacher might slip down to 3rd next year in our prospect pool.

Only like 3% of the fans wanted Reinbacher at 5, so what the fans think sometimes... One was picked 5th OV, the other late 2nd round... Hutson will always have defensive deficiencies by comparaison to Reinbacher, Guhle and even Engstrom, what makes him a riskier defenseman and a least complete one. Would you pick a Pietrangelo or a Quinn Hughes like player to start a franchise? A high end all around defenseman, solid in all aspects of the game or an undersized offensive minded playmaker, great in transition, but at risk in his own zone and prone to mistakes?

I do like Hutson alot and we needed that type of talent in our system, he has alot of potential offensively and might even end up quarterbacking our top PP unit one day if everything goes well, but lets pump the breaks a bit here, he gets beat on the outside at times, his backwards skating needs work, concedes in reach/ physicality and his shot a work in progress.

 

[Wateredgarden]

He's got a higher floor but he doesn't have Hutson's superstar potential. That's clear as day. There's a reason fans voted Hutson as our top prospect over Reinbacher. I actually think Reinbacher might slip down to 3rd next year in our prospect pool.

I wouldn't put any weight to popular vote on hfboards.