Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[HabzSauce]

Funny you say that. I think for a number of you, expressing a holier than thou attitude in which you look down on people who criticize management is your reason to exist on these boards. It's honestly getting really tiresome. People who "hate" management are bringing forward their well thought out or otherwise reasons. Push back with your own reasons why you may disagree. Instead we get comments like "Yawn", "LOL", "It's way too early to say anything", "No one knows anything", "Are you the prospects parents?? What do you know?". How is that any better or constructive?

You get what you give. Some of these takes are wild, and often provide very little reason to support their perspective. Just comes across as a rage post lol so what do ya expect?

 

[ReHabs]

Brian Burke, Dean Lombardi, Ray Shero, Pierre Lacroix and Peter Chiarelli are all former agents who won cups.

Not saying all these guys (especially Chiarelli) are good GMs, but there have been former agents who have been successful as GMs.

didn’t brian burke win a stanley cup?

How many of them won Cups in their first GM job?

 

[ReHabs]

I think for a number of you, hating management is your reason to exist on these boards. You will hate the next guy as well, and the guy after that and you will hate all the players these guys acquire as part of that pathology. Very obvious, repetitive and quite boring.

Have the Habs achieved anything to earn your unwavering respect and support?

And with respect, regarding smartest person..... I don't get that from Hughes but I do see it every day on these boards, and it's strong in this thread. As if anyone here has enough insight to decide if the AHL or Swiss League is the best place for our young guys to start. As if anyone around here has talked to Reinbacher, his coaches in the Swiss league, his parents or have insight into the plans in Laval. Much less fully scouted him pre draft, seen him workout, etc etc. How could you think you could make the proper call without any of that info unless you believe you are the smartest guy in the room?

Fan debate about the development of prospects happens everywhere with every player in every sport. No, fans are not privy to what happens behind the scenes, but they (we) are entitled to have opinions and make conclusions based on observed trends.

Trends such as… Hughes rushing Slafkovsky to North America and doubling down on it. So of course, and naturally, some think it only makes sense to see the same happen with Reinbacher. Other disagree, they’re more in your “management make the right call at all times” camp.

Incidentally, have you ever read Candide by Voltaire?

 

[ReHabs]

You talked about potential, so did I.

Needless to say all prospects do not hit their potential, not because of past Montreal braintrusts, but simply because no team's prospects all hit their potential.

I expect that one of Reinbacher or Mailloux becomes a first-pairing defender.

I expect that one or two, not three of Farrell, Heineman, Roy, Mesar become top 9 players.

I think there is a less than 50% chance that one of Dobes or Fowler or Miller becomes a #1 goaltender.

I said our prospect pool is bad. I didn’t talk about to the potential of every individual prospect. Because — guess what — every prospect can make it in the NHL if the stars align. Even undrafted prospects. Even waived prospects. One such example is David Desharnais, the other is Martin St-Louis himself.

The angle I see it is we have two interesting prospects who seem on track to the NHL. Hutson’s outstanding performance in his D+1 as a rookie (iirc) is unprecedented and raises his prospect profile to blue chip status. Reinbacher’s D year performance is similar. The rest of our prospects are simply not sexy or interesting at all.

 

[JoelWarlord]

Ive watched a lot of Reinbacher prior to the draft. I was the first on HF boards to have him in the top 5, at 5.

Im still mad that we drafted him. That should tell you all we need to know, that the person that was the highest on DR is mad we passed on Michkov.

A year ago you were livid we passed on Wright and now your hindsight anger is about Jiricek, Cooley, and Nemec. Does that tell me a year from now you'll be pissed we didn't take Leonard or something?

People who "hate" management are bringing forward their well thought out or otherwise reasons.

On some topics, sure. On others, not so much. The fact that whether Reinbacher plays in Laval or Kloten has become a heated snarky debate is not well thought out or reasonable argumentation, it's just whining (and it's really all about Slafkovsky, not Reinbacher). It is just not a topic that should be remotely controversial. It's reasonable to prefer one or the other, but it should not invite anger or snark or somehow be some gotcha about the development staff that gets people all wound up, it is a completely normal thing that happens with defencemen picked high all the time.

Detroit drafted Seider and Edvinsson at 6th overall two years apart (2019 and 2021). They immediately brought Seider over to the AHL while sending Edvinsson back to the SHL for his D+1. Was Detroit somehow being hypocrites for using a different strategy with Edvinsson than they used with Seider two years prior, and is this somehow proof that they were wrong in their approach with Seider because they did something different with Edvinsson? Of course not.

 

[Victoire HuGo]

Former agents haven’t been successful GMs in the NHLbut our city embraced Hughes because of the last GM’s tenure which was disaster and ruin.

I have very little faith in Hughes. This time the new GM needs to earn it.

What is this based off?

Mike Gillis had a pretty solid run, Dubas is a polarizing figure but I think he did a good job too. I think Zito was an agent too. I haven't done any research and these are off the top of my head but who am I missing. They are more promising then former players like Nieuwendyk, Grier, McTavish, Risebrough, etc.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

I think for a number of you, hating management is your reason to exist on these boards. You will hate the next guy as well, and the guy after that and you will hate all the players these guys acquire as part of that pathology. Very obvious, repetitive and quite boring.

And with respect, regarding smartest person..... I don't get that from Hughes but I do see it every day on these boards, and it's strong in this thread. As if anyone here has enough insight to decide if the AHL or Swiss League is the best place for our young guys to start. As if anyone around here has talked to Reinbacher, his coaches in the Swiss league, his parents or have insight into the plans in Laval. Much less fully scouted him pre draft, seen him workout, etc etc. How could you think you could make the proper call without any of that info unless you believe you are the smartest guy in the room?

You're acting as if management hasn't sucked forever.

Heads up buddy, the people that have been ragging on all our management teams WERE RIGHT EVERY TIME.

Might have forgotten that little factoid. If you're bored with it, maybe you should demand a better management and product with your dollars and eyeballs.

 

[BLONG7]

He has 40 games where he is decent against tougher opposition (not 3rd pair). The year before, there were times he struggled with that opposition (3rd pair) too.

The PP skill, he has had for a while.

So sure, he seems to be solidifying his game because that’s what his last 40ish games indicate. I wouldn’t call that a career yet though and I am convinced he wouldn’t have achieved that in Montreal under MB and Lapointe.

I remember reading something saying he was getting more TOI than Hedman the last year or two?
I know they pay him more money than Hedman now.............safe to assume TB see him as a 1-2 type Dman?
All semantics though, it was an awful trade for us....

Back to drafting I still like where our current guys are taking us...

 

[ReHabs]

What is this based off?

Mike Gillis had a pretty solid run, Dubas is a polarizing figure but I think he did a good job too. I think Zito was an agent too. I haven't done any research and these are off the top of my head but who am I missing. They are more promising then former players like Nieuwendyk, Grier, McTavish, Risebrough, etc.

Mike Gillis was reviled. He jumped from agency to NHL GMing and made a mess.

Dubas and Zito did not jump from agency to NHL GMing.

Hughes jumped from agency to NHL GMing.

 

[David Suzuki]

How many of them won Cups in their first GM job?

Discounting the moving of the goalposts, Pierre Lacroix literally won a cup in his first stint as a GM.

 

[ReHabs]

Discounting the moving of the goalposts, Pierre Lacroix literally won a cup in his first stint as a GM.

Allow me to rephrase: how many of them were successful going from agency right to being NHL GMs? It’s only a small handful and it’s not very promising.

 

[Victoire HuGo]

Mike Gillis was reviled. He jumped from agency to NHL GMing and made a mess.

Dubas and Zito did not jump from agency to NHL GMing.

Hughes jumped from agency to NHL GMing.

Fair enough my mistake, those were not directly thrown into things. Found a list:

Dean Lombardi: Cup
Peter Chiarelli: Cup
Ray Shero: Cup
Mike Gillis: SCF
Brian Lawton: Bust

Of course it wasn't rainbows and butterflies for all of them but not a depressing list.

I never understood the flack Gillis gets. He's an innovative mind and on the same level as these retreads.

Edit: I looked again and seems like these guys all had AGM stints. My mistake; these are rare like pope poop it seems.

 

[Belial]

Allow me to rephrase: how many of them were successful going from agency right to being NHL GMs? It’s only a small handful and it’s not very promising.

You seem to forget that Gorton is there also.

 

[David Suzuki]

Allow me to rephrase: how many of them were successful going from agency right to being NHL GMs? It’s only a small handful and it’s not very promising.

Lacroix literally did?

"Following a 20-year career as a player agent, Pierre Lacroix was appointed general manager of the Quebec Nordiques in May 1994, replacing Pierre Page"

Per his HOF bio FYI.

It's obviously rare but the reality of winning a Stanley Cup is in and of itself rare, especially in comparable eras (hockey management in the past was totally different than it is today). In 2012 we hired a widely praised assistant GM who won a cup in Chicago as our GM and it cost as the second best goalie prime of all time an opportunity to complete his legacy with a cup.

I disagree with some things Hughes has done, but the clarity in what he is trying to do is refreshing. They have an opportunity to add a game changing talent in the upcoming draft and probably in the next one too. I've maintained they need a long rebuild to get the stench of the previous management core off, not going to change that stance now for outrage farming on hfboards.

 

[montreal]

I wanna talk about our prospect, expectations about them and learn from other's people past viewings about them. As you watch more tape about Reinbacher i'm more interested about what you can tell me about his game.

Hab Prospect Videos

Hab prospect fan, former writer for Hockey's Future.com as well as other blogs that cover the Montreal Canadians prospects.

www.youtube.com

if you check out my channel I have a few Reinbacher games, where I go through and just focus on his shifts. I would have several more by now but the audio on so many of the games (I think I have every game he played in the NL) is brutal so I an not sure how I am going to proceed yet.

Next vid is likely going to be Fowler vs one of the top picks for '24 but I should have more Reinbacher games coming up this weekend once I have time to go through more of them.

You're acting as if management hasn't sucked forever.

That's just a stupid thing to say, Hughe has had 1 f***ING year. How do you suck forever in just 1 year?

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Hab Prospect Videos

Hab prospect fan, former writer for Hockey's Future.com as well as other blogs that cover the Montreal Canadians prospects.

www.youtube.com

if you check out my channel I have a few Reinbacher games, where I go through and just focus on his shifts. I would have several more by now but the audio on so many of the games (I think I have every game he played in the NL) is brutal so I an not sure how I am going to proceed yet.

Next vid is likely going to be Fowler vs one of the top picks for '24 but I should have more Reinbacher games coming up this weekend once I have time to go through more of them.




That's just a stupid thing to say, Hughe has had 1 f***ING year. How do you suck forever in just 1 year?

I don't mean them. I mean previous managements. The gentleman in question was talking about people being bullish on management historically in addition to right now.

People are concerned many of the same organizational philosophies are carrying forward based on what we've seen, which is why there is currently backlash against the new management.

 

[ReHabs]

Lacroix literally did?

"Following a 20-year career as a player agent, Pierre Lacroix was appointed general manager of the Quebec Nordiques in May 1994, replacing Pierre Page"

Per his HOF bio FYI.

It's obviously rare but the reality of winning a Stanley Cup is in and of itself rare, especially in comparable eras (hockey management in the past was totally different than it is today). In 2012 we hired a widely praised assistant GM who won a cup in Chicago as our GM and it cost as the second best goalie prime of all time an opportunity to complete his legacy with a cup.

I disagree with some things Hughes has done, but the clarity in what he is trying to do is refreshing. They have an opportunity to add a game changing talent in the upcoming draft and probably in the next one too. I've maintained they need a long rebuild to get the stench of the previous management core off, not going to change that stance now for outrage farming on hfboards.

It’s very rare, so rare that you had to cite Lacroix from the 90s

If Hughes fails it won’t be a surprise, lemme tell ya.

I appreciate your perspective re: long rebuild. I don’t see why he would acquire Newhook if that was his intention.

 

[Belial]

It’s very rare, so rare that you had to cite Lacroix from the 90s

If Hughes fails it won’t be a surprise, lemme tell ya.

I appreciate your perspective re: long rebuild. I don’t see why he would acquire Newhook if that was his intention.

What's wrong with Newhook? He perfectly fits this young core's age bracket.

If you think Newhook is a bad trade then with that logic Dach is a bad trade also...

 

[David Suzuki]

It’s very rare, so rare that you had to cite Lacroix from the 90s

If Hughes fails it won’t be a surprise, lemme tell ya.

I appreciate your perspective re: long rebuild. I don’t see why he would acquire Newhook if that was his intention.

I agree it wouldn't be a surprise because the nature of the sport is only one team wins the cup. He didn't started in the position Bergevin did, so it's always going to be an uphill battle for Hughes in a way it should have never been for Bergevin. That said, the goal is still to win the cup. If Hughes doesn't win won he fails regardless of how logical I find his decisions.

RE: Newhook.... because he values the player and their ability to help him find his path. I really like Newhook as a player but I don't think he is going to take a jump so significant in his first year in Montreal that he genuinely costs us draft capital, and I think late firsts and early seconds are more valuable to draft junkies than actual NHL teams. So I'd say it was a fine gamble to the extent I even view it as such.

 

[montreal]

I don't mean them. I mean previous managements. The gentleman in question was talking about people being bullish on management historically in addition to right now.

People are concerned many of the same organizational philosophies are carrying forward based on what we've seen, which is why there is currently backlash against the new management.

People in general though aren't very bright though.

Plus I think you should have said owner not management, as I feel Molson was a big problem at least during the MB years so who's to say he's still not too involved though firing MB was a great first step, only time will tell in he made the right choice.

Not to go off topic but as a huge Phillies fan when they were rebuilding it was down to 2 guys for GM, one came from Tampa Bay, the best run organization in all of MLB and the other was fresh out of grad school from Princeton or one of the Ivy's. I so badly wanted the guy from TB who is now with Boston, when the Ivy league kid was hired fans were hyping him up only to see him turn into a total disaster that set their rebuild back years so I know full well what's at stake.

Hughes at least talks the talk well, but we'll see.

 

[Supersonic]

People in general though aren't very bright though.

Plus I think you should have said owner not management, as I feel Molson was a big problem at least during the MB years so who's to say he's still not too involved though firing MB was a great first step, only time will tell in he made the right choice.

Not to go off topic but as a huge Phillies fan when they were rebuilding it was down to 2 guys for GM, one came from Tampa Bay, the best run organization in all of MLB and the other was fresh out of grad school from Princeton or one of the Ivy's. I so badly wanted the guy from TB who is now with Boston, when the Ivy league kid was hired fans were hyping him up only to see him turn into a total disaster that set their rebuild back years so I know full well what's at stake.

Hughes at least talks the talk well, but we'll see.

Not to get even more off topic but its interesting that an MLB team would make such a move.

Re: Reinbacher - I am indifferent to where he goes this year but I at least have faith that if he is in Laval they will make room for him to get the right amount of ice time and spend some time with Adam Nicholas.

 

[Kaladin]

A year ago you were livid we passed on Wright and now your hindsight anger is about Jiricek, Cooley, and Nemec. Does that tell me a year from now you'll be pissed we didn't take Leonard or something?

On some topics, sure. On others, not so much. The fact that whether Reinbacher plays in Laval or Kloten has become a heated snarky debate is not well thought out or reasonable argumentation, it's just whining (and it's really all about Slafkovsky, not Reinbacher). It is just not a topic that should be remotely controversial. It's reasonable to prefer one or the other, but it should not invite anger or snark or somehow be some gotcha about the development staff that gets people all wound up, it is a completely normal thing that happens with defencemen picked high all the time.

Detroit drafted Seider and Edvinsson at 6th overall two years apart (2019 and 2021). They immediately brought Seider over to the AHL while sending Edvinsson back to the SHL for his D+1. Was Detroit somehow being hypocrites for using a different strategy with Edvinsson than they used with Seider two years prior, and is this somehow proof that they were wrong in their approach with Seider because they did something different with Edvinsson? Of course not.

Did Detroit make a big deal about their development staff and philosophy of wanting to have control of their prospects? So much so it impacted their draft selections on who they'd pick? If not I don't see why you're bringing it up. In isolation, it doesn't matter if Reinbacher goes to Europe of comes to the AHL. For the Habs, it does because of what they've put out there.

 

[montreal]

Not to get even more off topic but its interesting that an MLB team would make such a move.

Re: Reinbacher - I am indifferent to where he goes this year but I at least have faith that if he is in Laval they will make room for him to get the right amount of ice time and spend some time with Adam Nicholas.

for the phillies they did bring in McPhail from the O's to be president and bring along the new kid but I'm more old school so I still can't get fully behind stats for me it will always be the eye test.

For Reinbacher as long as he doesn't play for the Habs, I have serious PTSD from the Habs rushing prospects to the NHL, I honestly don't think I can continue to take much more of it after so many years of MB. If it's Laval or NL I should have access to most if not all his games so I'll get to see a shit ton of him.

 

[Supersonic]

for the phillies they did bring in McPhail from the O's to be president and bring along the new kid but I'm more old school so I still can't get fully behind stats for me it will always be the eye test.

For Reinbacher as long as he doesn't play for the Habs, I have serious PTSD from the Habs rushing prospects to the NHL, I honestly don't think I can continue to take much more of it after so many years of MB. If it's Laval or NL I should have access to most if not all his games so I'll get to see a shit ton of him.

Looking forward to that Reinbacher content, I’m subbed to your channel and looking to everyone’s reports on his game improvement

 

[BaseballCoach]

I said our prospect pool is bad. I didn’t talk about to the potential of every individual prospect. Because — guess what — every prospect can make it in the NHL if the stars align. Even undrafted prospects. Even waived prospects. One such example is David Desharnais, the other is Martin St-Louis himself.

The angle I see it is we have two interesting prospects who seem on track to the NHL. Hutson’s outstanding performance in his D+1 as a rookie (iirc) is unprecedented and raises his prospect profile to blue chip status. Reinbacher’s D year performance is similar. The rest of our prospects are simply not sexy or interesting at all.

Farrell was second nationwide in NCAA scoring.

Joshua Roy was a key member of the TC WJC team, over 1 ppg.

Engstrom played solidly well in the SEL in his D+1!

And of course Slafkovsky is still only 19.

If our pool is bad and it is widely rated above average, then most pools are bad. Then what?