Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[BaseballCoach]

Habs have both quality and quantity IMO. Teams just don't have 5+ grade A's. That is a myth. How many do we have? Not sure but guys like Reinbacher, Slaf, Roy, Beck are grade A's or B+ types developing very well to me. I'd even add Guhle to that list. Not a fan of the "graduation" factor. Rather look at age 21-23 and under, because that is more important than drawing a line in graduation where some guys are rushed to the NHL and some start at age 20/21.

There is no doubt about it, we have one of the better age 23/24 and under cores. Even if you factor in the graduation, we still have one of the better prospect pools.

Reinbacher will have boring development IMO. He's the type that plays D and chips in on offense and you only really see the value when he's 22/23 in the NHL. When did Josi get labeled a top pairing D? Even Hedman took a lot of time.

Yes, agreed. I graduate prospects at age 23 and after a full NHL year, or at 22 if they played two years in the NHL, or when their ELC is over.

 

[Jaynki]

Former agents haven’t been successful GMs in the NHLbut our city embraced Hughes because of the last GM’s tenure which was disaster and ruin.

I have very little faith in Hughes. This time the new GM needs to earn it.

Its true that the new administration will need to earn its praise.

This being said, i think Bergevin was a good 80s era manager. When there was one GM running the show.

Things have evolved a lot, and its not a one man show anymore. Teams have analytics department, advanced scouting department, development department, sport psychology department, etc. We were obviously way behind the curve on this with Bergevin at the helm.

Bergevin was a good talent evaluator but a very shitty manager and he had no business-savvy and he lacked vision. I would have him as a pro scout but thats it.

I think nowadays, agents become GM because of their contact and influence throughout the league and their businesses knowledge. They are also specialist of development since they scout the brightest talent at 13-14-15yo and they have to surround them properly to evolve the right way. They are money cows after all.

Like you said, after all, we may like or dislike the move, in the end its a result based business.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yes, agreed. I graduate prospects at age 23 and after a full NHL year, or at 22 if they played two years in the NHL, or when their ELC is over.

Some people can't see the important stuff. Who cares about the graduation factor and to put so much energy into it. It means less than a young core build and the point of doing this is to evaluate your young core.

I really like the age 23 and under reports. Haven't seen any yet this summer but they will be released.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Some people can't see the important stuff. Who cares about the graduation factor and to put so much energy into it. It means less than a young core build and the point of doing this is to evaluate your young core.

I really like the age 23 and under reports. Haven't seen any yet this summer but they will be released.

Yeah ok, but Suzuki last year at age 23 on an almost $8M contract was no longer a prospect to me. But sure it is still good to see a 23 and under perspective.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yeah ok, but Suzuki last year at age 23 on an almost $8M contract was no longer a prospect to me. But sure it is still good to see a 23 and under perspective.

That's fair. He's 24 in Aug so he would not be included if it was a 23 and under evaluation/report. Maybe 200 NHL games or age 24, whichever comes first is a fair way to have a "graduation line".

I would agree Suzuki is in his prime now or just starting it. Caufield is on the cusp.

 

[JoelWarlord]

Did Detroit make a big deal about their development staff and philosophy of wanting to have control of their prospects? So much so it impacted their draft selections on who they'd pick? If not I don't see why you're bringing it up. In isolation, it doesn't matter if Reinbacher goes to Europe of comes to the AHL. For the Habs, it does because of what they've put out there.

This is more of what I was talking about. This is not rational disagreement, it's just whining. Placing an emphasis on development is not somehow undermined by letting a kid go back to Switzerland for one year unless you're trying to be deliberately disingenuous in comparison with Michkov or something.

I don't really follow Detroit but I am extremely doubtful that they don't think their development staff have value, yet they still had no problem treating Seider and Edvinsson differently and it wasn't some huge crisis.

 

[NORiculous]

I feel like under the new management, the club operates with more soul than most of the league's clubs.

Enough players are saying it that I believe it.

Or it could be the new PR machine. But I also think it’s true.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Or it could be the new PR machine. But I also think it’s true.

The PR machine might possibly put words in Sean Monahan's mouth, but it can't make him sign an early extension.

 

[Scriptor]

That's fair. He's 24 in Aug so he would not be included if it was a 23 and under evaluation/report. Maybe 200 NHL games or age 24, whichever comes first is a fair way to have a "graduation line".

I would agree Suzuki is in his prime now or just starting it. Caufield is on the cusp.

Suzuki is entering his prime and likely not yet at his prime, IMO. Production levels will increase as the team gets deeper with talent beyond Suzuki's line, insulating him better and allowing him to exploit opposing Ds better.

Same for Dach. We saw how just a healthy Monahan helped earlier on in the season last year. Imagine better wingers and a legitimate complement on the Right Wing for Caufield and Suzuki?

When some youngsters have gained experience and other talented ones have joined the team, both up front and on D, the forwards' production, as a whole, should increase, including Suzuki's (to near a PPG) and Dach's (closer to his ceiling, whatever that becomes).

Caufield is still a few years from entering his prime, IMO, even if he scores in bunches until then. He'll become a more complete player in the next few years.

 

[admiralcadillac]

So apparently he has serious knee issues at the moment which might sort out once he finishes growing? Awesome

 

[Benstheman]

So apparently he has serious knee issues at the moment which might sort out once he finishes growing? Awesome

The key is to not believe every rumor that is regurgitated out there.

 

[admiralcadillac]

The key is to not believe every rumor that is regurgitated out there.

The real key is to find out if it is a rumour.

You’ll note I used the word apparently:

Primeur : David Reinbacher a des problèmes aux deux genoux

Ah bon?

www.danslescoulisses.com

 

[Twisted Sinister]

How is it a failure? It’s a business not a circle jerk for hockey fanatics, the goal is to maximize profit margins on a monthly & yearly basis, which is only achievable by growing non hockey related ventures while using hockey as a revenue stream for access to capital.

It’s a resounding business success, not a failure by any means

BTW - Frank Selke Sr was poached from Leafs in 1947.. why? The Habs had just won back-to-back Cups, so everything should’ve been dandy? The business was losing $ hands over fist, Selke was brought in to manage the Forum, only when he saw how bad the hockey books were was he asked to also add GM responsibilities to financially straighten out the hockey ops. One of his first hires? Sam Pollock who was fiscally managing a semi pro baseball team

Yes, they are a successful corporate entity, likely with great profits. As a hockey team, though, they're losers. I don't think myself or other fans particularly care about their profit margins.

You know who else derives great profits from addicts? Cigarette companies.

He has been, an awful owner....

As for now, he seems to have taken a step back, and now is letting hockey people make the decisions outside of huge $$$ contracts needing approval.
Better days ahead....

One would hope. Hopefully, he didn't have his hands in the Michkov situation, but we have Bobrov to contend with in drafting, so oof.

 

[WeThreeKings]

DLC is about as trustworthy as Trump

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

The key is to not believe every rumor that is regurgitated out there.

Are you kidding ? Rumours here ? No, no, I can't beleive it.

This is such a pleasant place here, no toxic at all. Great long analysis, detailed arguments in the purpose of looking like a smart @SS, more intelligent than Hughes and Gorton. This is the internet life, a life outside the real world my friends, lol. Doom and Gloom for everyone, fell free to bitch anything, it's allowed.

Btw, PLD is a mediocre player and a bum, a treator who signed with LA (according to some posters here). Good think he's not with us. Now we can enjoy the team we have, or the team we dream we don't have. When everybody in the hockey world says Montreal is one of the most toxic place, guess why so many ufa don't want to sign here. Paccioretty kids were harassed at Mtl private school, Weber was a peice of junk, Price was princesse, Drouin was Drou Drou, Gallagher is a little jerk, Reinbacher is compared to Hitler, etc. But Habs board doesn't really change, same posters keep on bashing for years.

 

[Revansky]

Watch a few youtube clips of Reinbacher, thanks to montreal youtube channel.

A couple of impressions :

NACL seems to have a fast pace style of game, but not a lot of physicality. Transition is fast, but physical play is a couple of notch below AHL/NHL level. Could be a good thing to develop his skills and limit the risk of an injury, but he'll need to adapt to a smaller rink and more physicality when coming to NA. Still think with the pace of its play, it won't be a problem, but we'll see.

Reinbacher defensive game is really good. He's aggressive in the D-Zone, and he's able to break plays, separate his man from the puck, pinch in the corner. His reads are really good and he's a great skater. Think he'll be more agile and balanced with a bit more strengh though.

In transition, he's making great pass and identify well the open man. His decision-making is fast and on point.

In the offensive zone, on a larger rink, I have the impression his shot has less impact than on a smaller rink. There are some plays where he shoots on the shoulders pads of forward, and he'll need to be more creative to walk the line or dump it in the corner for the cycle. He's active though, and it's going to be interesting to see how his game develops this year.

 

[Rapala]

Do you have any proof that Molson is pulling the strings when it comes to hockey decisions? This is laughable...

He's not. Why aren't people using what was actually revealed to us?
Decisions in hockey operations are made as a group including the coach and they are getting input from all their departments.

 

[Wats]

Habs have both quality and quantity IMO. Teams just don't have 5+ grade A's. That is a myth. How many do we have? Not sure but guys like Reinbacher, Slaf, Roy, Beck are grade A's or B+ types developing very well to me. I'd even add Guhle to that list. Not a fan of the "graduation" factor. Rather look at age 21-23 and under, because that is more important than drawing a line in graduation where some guys are rushed to the NHL and some start at age 20/21.

If you look at 21-23 aged players, there are teams with 5+ grade A. Off the top of my head, Buffalo, New Jersey, Ottawa, Arizona, Columbus, Detroit, Anaheim easily can say they have a better 5 than Reinbacher, Slafkovsky, Roy, Dach, Guhle, Caufield.

It's better than it was under Bergevin but there's still a lot of work before Habs are among the best to actually say quality and quantity IMO.

 

[Habs Halifax]

If you look at 21-23 aged players, there are teams with 5+ grade A. Off the top of my head, Buffalo, New Jersey, Ottawa, Arizona, Columbus, Detroit, Anaheim easily can say they have a better 5 than Reinbacher, Slafkovsky, Roy, Dach, Guhle, Caufield.

It's better than it was under Bergevin but there's still a lot of work before Habs are among the best to actually say quality and quantity IMO.

Of the top of your head, list those 5+ grade A's those teams have. Quantify it by listing the players.

You have to know this is a very subjective opinion in many cases? I'm not saying you are right or wrong BTW. But if you want your point to come across well, you got to quantify it vs just listing those teams.

 

[waffledave]

DLC is about as trustworthy as Trump

DLC said Montambeault had serious mental problems and his mind was destroyed.

 

[The Last Red]

To trash HuGo after 18 months on the job is just asinine, IMO. If the team is still bad (and I don't mean not a playoff team) in a couple of years then sure, go ahead and trash away, but they need 3-4 years on the job to be able to reasonably assess the quality of their work. And we could use another top 5 pick in 2024 so being bad again is almost a necessity this upcoming season.

 

[japhi]

Ya buddy the Habs have been chronically bad, maybe that's the root of the problem.

Literally the joke of the league and the only reason we got success is because they got lucky to draft one of the GOAT goaltenders to completely waste his prime.

Theres a reason for the doom and gloom and its not on the fans.

Yes, the team that has a ECF run and a Cup run in the past 10 years is the absolute joke of the league. The team that is going through a pretty nice rebuild, is an absolute joke. We have a 40+g scorer in Caulfield, a great young d core that just added the best dman in his draft class, a 19YO 1OA with crazy size and skill, some very nice pieces in Dach and Suzuki, and some coming cap flexibility. Total joke for sure,

You completely lack perspective. The doom and gloom is a HF boards things, the overwhelming majority of fans don't feel the way you do, and this isn't life and death for them. Like I said, doom and gloom is your brand, most of us can find some perspective and realize it isn't a 6 team league anymore, and take the good with the bad.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Yes, the team that has a ECF run and a Cup run in the past 10 years is the absolute joke of the league. The team that is going through a pretty nice rebuild, is an absolute joke. We have a 40+g scorer in Caulfield, a great young d core that just added the best dman in his draft class, a 19YO 1OA with crazy size and skill, some very nice pieces in Dach and Suzuki, and some coming cap flexibility. Total joke for sure,

You completely lack perspective. The doom and gloom is a HF boards things, the overwhelming majority of fans don't feel the way you do, and this isn't life and death for them. Like I said, doom and gloom is your brand, most of us can find some perspective and realize it isn't a 6 team league anymore, and take the good with the bad.

Show me on this doll where Caufield has scored 40 goals. He hasn't done it until he's done it.

The SCF run was a fluke in the Covid bubble. We weren't even making the playoffs without the existence of the North division. We've never had sustained success at any point in the last 30 years.

But hey man, hang on to the few flukes we've had and enjoy your shabby product. Lots of people are totally fine with mediocrity, so you do you.

 

[Andy]

I've been watching a lot of Reinbacher highlights.

From the highlights (haven't seen full games), he has the Weber ability to take space away from forwards during one-on-one defending and forcing those forwards into areas of the ice where there isn't any room to make a play. He reads the rushes and plays well and quickly boxes attackers out.

I can see why scouts are super interested in his ability. That's a pretty impressive skill to be able to calmly neutralize the puck carrier so effectively.

Again, these are highlights, I'm not sure how consistent he does this throughout a game.

 

[japhi]

Yes, they are a successful corporate entity, likely with great profits. As a hockey team, though, they're losers. I don't think myself or other fans particularly care about their profit margins.

You know who else derives great profits from addicts? Cigarette companies.



One would hope. Hopefully, he didn't have his hands in the Michkov situation, but we have Bobrov to contend with in drafting, so oof.

Actually, from a hockey perspective, they have had more success over the past 15 years then 75% of the leagues teams. Prior to the rebuild, which is going well IMO, the team won 9 rounds in the previous 11 years including a Cup final and an two ECF's. So if they are losers, then so are the 20+ teams that have worse records over the same time period.

Don't take this as me being satisfied with results, but context matters, and the original post was calling us the "joke of the league", which is pretty hilarious when you take a step back.

Show me on this doll where Caufield has scored 40 goals. He hasn't done it until he's done it.

The SCF run was a fluke in the Covid bubble. We weren't even making the playoffs without the existence of the North division. We've never had sustained success at any point in the last 30 years.

But hey man, hang on to the few flukes we've had and enjoy your shabby product. Lots of people are totally fine with mediocrity, so you do you.

That "you must be fine with mediocrity" is such a lame argument, In my personal life I am focused on being great, And would put my own professional record against anyone. A hockey team that I have no control over? Ya, not super worred pal. This isn't real life, it's just a sport.