Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[Andrei79]

What does full access mean to you? That they can fly in and out and check up on him like babysitters? What even is the point of that. Development wise "full control" should matter more than full access. It's egregiously stupid to maximize the value and development of our 5th overall pick? Okay.

Sure Reinbacher did well with Kloten. Is it a guarantee that they will continue to spoon feed him the same ice time? More PP time? Oh it's not a guarantee? Fancy that. What is our recourse in that event? Can we call him to Laval mid-season? Doubt it. Also, not sure where you're getting that I can't discern the difference from playing in a junior league to a pro league... where did that come up?

I never compared him to Slaf's situation. The Habs have made a general statement to many people in the media that they believe their development is the best place for prospects. They want to be in control of a player's development. That this ability influences their draft choices. So not sure why you wasted all those words on describing Slaf's situation but okay.

My agenda? Lol. I'm just taking what the management has said about their drafting philosophy and their development philosophy at face value and seeing how they apply it across their best prospects. You're the one who seems to bending over backwards to justify the potential decision to send him back to Europe despite everything management has said to the contrary. You seem to have the agenda here pal.

Ah yes the nuances of the philosophy. Must be great when you can justify anything with the word "nuances". So we can't analyze anything this team does based on their own stated philosophy because we may be missing the fine print right?


Careful, you may get a sea of posters calling you egregiously stupid for saying this. That's what the level of discourse around here has been reduced too sadly. Can't question anything Habs management does or says. If you point out logical holes we're just missing the "nuances" of the grand strategy at play.

I agree. Reinbacher should play in Laval if we truly believe it's the best place for him to develop (which the Habs have stated they do for prospects in general).

I've never had the impression that they wanted "full control", where did you get that impression (quotes ?) ?
From listening to the media members around the team, it seemed that one factor they might not have liked in other player was a lack of access for three full years.
Teams usually have access to their players overseas, in the NCAA, OHL,etc. In your example, if they wanted to be completely and rigidly consequent to what they said, they'd have to rush every single player in the NHL and AHL to have full control, which I'm not sure was ever implied by the org.
An example of this partial control would be the Jets, back when they were churning out a lot of quality from their drafts. They would have constant contacts with the overseas organizations, build common plans and ask their players to file in reports after every game. There's enough control there, it seems.
That said, I don't think there's anything wrong with questioning management. They've done questionable things. A few actually. I don't see the point of dismissing nuances though when they seem to apply.

 

[BaseballCoach]

This is Malarkey.
EHC Kloten is an ice hockey team based in the city of Kloten in Switzerland. The team plays in the National League. It has one of the best youth systems in Swiss ice hockey as its youth teams have won 19 championships during the last 50 years. EHC Kloten won four consecutive Swiss championships from 1993 to 1996. Wikipedia

One of the stupidest thing you've said by far is the folks running the team aren't motivated to let the kid make mistakes. It sure seems like the kid got benched a ton last season while he TOOK OVER the right side.

Please WTF are you on about muscle memory. Do you not think playing a full season in the AHL the following year will address the smaller ice issues. Moritz Seider actually did the opposite and I'm fairly certain his muscle memory didn't suffer. I'm also trying to figure out what KK has to do with anything we are discussing.

Who exactly is going to get PP minutes in Laval Mailloux or Reinbacher or maybe we play two righties at the same time. Finally while you may not think Tourigny Struble and Trudeau need as much ice time as possible I do and God help us if our Development Team don't.

The fact is it is far more advantageous to leave Reinbacher right where he is as it stands at this moment. Once camp is done the Development Team will decide what is best for our prospects. Hughes does not make unilateral decisions despite what some are implying. He said that from day one. If you don't think they will consider everything we've talked about including what is best long term for this organization I think we are done.

If Tourigny's development is so important, and Europe is so good for it, why did Montreal bring him back? how about they trade Struble and Tourigny to Switzerland for Reinbacher!

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Wow, how did I forget about the Markov/Radulov if you want loyalty, buy a dog. Schlemko, streit, alzner Lolol we’re supposed to replace Markov, Emelin and Beaulieu. This idiot lost his entire left side in one off season.

How on god’s earth is he advising anyone?

I agree about not being toxic and forgetting, but this guy literally made me quit watching games. He was so bad.

If LA have a little brain, they will never listen to his advices. The best advice is to do the opposite of his advice. It was insulting the medias guys and the fans these 'loyalty buy a dog' stuff. If he had few supporters, he lost them with that little sentence. This alone is not enough but it's addition with other idioties. Well, hockey world is full of them. Don't forget how many decennies Don Cherry was a hockey guru in Canada. Hockey world are filled with idiots and wise men. Ysermans and Milburys, Brisebois and Bergevins. Both extreme of human intelligence or gullibility co-exits under the same roof.

 

[Andrei79]

If Tourigny's development is so important, and Europe is so good for it, why did Montreal bring him back? how about they trade Struble and Tourigny to Switzerland for Reinbacher!

I'm not sure what you're trying to equate here.

The Slovak league is an entirely different league and Trencin an entirely different organization. If Reinbacher was signed by Rogle in Sweden I'm sure they'd have no problem having him there. We know Reinbacher developed well in Kloten, because if he didn't he wouldn't be a Canadiens today. Hell be looked at as a leader there with opportunities in all situations. There's something to gain for him. Struble has already made the transition to the Rocket and has years of development since his draft year, how is he a comparable ?

 

[Rapala]

If Tourigny's development is so important, and Europe is so good for it, why did Montreal bring him back? how about they trade Struble and Tourigny to Switzerland for Reinbacher!

I honestly don't get your angle like at all. Do you want him here for purely selfish reasons? Do you hope to move him to the NHL the following season?
Any argument anyone has made for Laval is just as valid the following year. I would prefer Mailloux getting all the gravy in Laval in an attempt to establish himself as a number 1 there. I would also like Reinbacher to take on the exact same challenge the following season. Utilize the sliding ELC keep the kid where he cleary stated he wanted to be. Maximize the opportunities both leagues present for all our prospects. Do you truly believe another season in Switzerland is a wasted development year because I don't and I also pray we are allowing two full years of growth before bringing him up.

 

[BaseballCoach]

I honestly don't get your angle like at all. Do you want him here for purely selfish reasons? Do you hope to move him to the NHL the following season?
Any argument anyone has made for Laval is just as valid the following year. I would prefer Mailloux getting all the gravy in Laval in an attempt to establish himself as a number 1 there. I would also like Reinbacher to take on the exact same challenge the following season. Utilize the sliding ELC keep the kid where he cleary stated he wanted to be. Maximize the opportunities both leagues present for all our prospects. Do you truly believe another season in Switzerland is a wasted development year because I don't and I also pray we are allowing two full years of growth before bringing him up.

I see the AHL as the better development league, under team control, on the same size ice surface as the NHL.

He should play in Laval until he is ready for the NHL. That could be half a year, one year, two years, who knows?

Last year, in the summer, most go-slowers wanted multiple LDs in Laval. Why is it impossible to have two RD propsects in NA at the same time?

 

[BaseballCoach]

I honestly don't get your angle like at all. Do you want him here for purely selfish reasons? Do you hope to move him to the NHL the following season?
Any argument anyone has made for Laval is just as valid the following year. I would prefer Mailloux getting all the gravy in Laval in an attempt to establish himself as a number 1 there. I would also like Reinbacher to take on the exact same challenge the following season. Utilize the sliding ELC keep the kid where he cleary stated he wanted to be. Maximize the opportunities both leagues present for all our prospects. Do you truly believe another season in Switzerland is a wasted development year because I don't and I also pray we are allowing two full years of growth before bringing him up.

That's not how professional sports works.

Imagine if Alcaraz's coaches said last year "Carlos needs to wait two years before playing at Wimbledon".

You don't make plans INTENTIONALLY to hold a player back. Instead you let him try and see when he is ready for the next step.

Maybe it will take David two years to get to the NHL, maybe one year, maybe three? Time will tell, let the process play out and don't put arbitrary numbers on it before it starts.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Unless you want to be the Leafs.

Yes, its exciting.

They have multiple star forwards. We have none. There might just be a happy middle in there somewhere.

We gave Bergevin far too many years so I am not following why on their second draft you are beating this drum.........again, Bergevin IS the reason we are struggling to be patient but.................

To review, not sure where you stood with these picks but this is a list from our 1st rounders for the first 7 years, under the Clown.........

Chucky
MCCarron
Scherback
Juulsen
Sergachev ( Drouin )
Poehling
KK

Knowing what we know, and of course it's 20/20 going back in time..........The Best Pick in 7 Years was a Dman, which Bergevin turned into Drouin, obvious mistake, but a huge one.

The current regime have just 2 drafts so far....and you have lost your patience already?
How many years before you lost your patience with Bergevin?
Just asking....

I'm not sure you understood exactly what I was getting at. The point was that there is nothing to get excited about in terms of the product. It's the same bland shit they always do.

I can do the exercise with the draft picks just for fun:

Chucky (Thought is was fine, but was worried about the injury)
MCCarron (Horrible)
Scherback (Thought it was fine)
Juulsen (Thought it was fine)
Sergachev (Thumbs Up)
Poehling (Thought it was Meh)
KK (Really didn't like it)

 

[Mudz]

I dont want to contradict you but i never heard Hughes say this.

It was a clickbait sites that said something like that by quoting apparently an habs exec.

It would be pretty bad to send him back to Europe because of the reaction.

Deal with it for f*** sake. In my opinion, they will send him (or keep him) based on a lot of factors but i strongly doubt fan reaction is one of them.

Not sure I would call Arpon Basu clickbait, but he sure is pushing the "He will start in Europe" narative. He does seems to be a mouthpiece of the org at times.

Kent Hughes on the other hand made a point of the AHL being an option during the draft

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Not sure I would call Arpon Basu clickbait, but he sure is pushing the "He will start in Europe" narative. He does seems to be a mouthpiece of the org at times.

Kent Hughes on the other hand made a point of the AHL being an option during the draft

I think Basu has dialed in his own sources more has he has left little nuggets that turn out to be true.

He dropped Newhook's name before the draft. He suggest we, the fans keep an eye on the Habs and Newhook.

I believe he had another call just before it happened, but I forget at this time.

With MAG getting fired it seemed to maybe open an eye for him to become more of a tied-in reporter, as no one from the Habs media is really breaking deals, or signings.

If Basu can be the writer, like the others, but able to get some rumours posted, he'd become the top one.

 

[Frank Drebin]

God forbid our 2nd round picks don't get the development they need. This team needs stars not depth. We should be doing everything possible to squeeze every drop of talent out of our top 10 picks or you end up like the Rangers. Oddly enough we've imported their brain trust here to lead us out of this rebuild.

I get it though. You're on the Hughes can do no wrong bandwagon. People should have learnt from the Bergevin debacle that NHL GM's are not faultless beings.

So the Blackhawks should have played cam Barker (3oa, 2004) in all situations at the expense of 2002 second round slug Duncan Keith.

Anyways, gifting undeserved ice time isn't good development.

 

[Kaladin]

So the Blackhawks should have played cam Barker (3oa, 2004) in all situations at the expense of 2002 second round slug Duncan Keith.

Anyways, gifting undeserved ice time isn't good development.

Or the Rangers should have played Lafraniere and Kakko and Kravstov and Andersson (all top 10 picks) in all situations over their existing players so that their value didn't tank and they actually developed those players properly.

That's the great thing about examples. You can find one for any argument. My example probably applies more to the Habs given our management and the ones that wasted four years worth of top 10 picks in NY is the same.

 

[Kaladin]

I've never had the impression that they wanted "full control", where did you get that impression (quotes ?) ?
From listening to the media members around the team, it seemed that one factor they might not have liked in other player was a lack of access for three full years.
Teams usually have access to their players overseas, in the NCAA, OHL,etc. In your example, if they wanted to be completely and rigidly consequent to what they said, they'd have to rush every single player in the NHL and AHL to have full control, which I'm not sure was ever implied by the org.
An example of this partial control would be the Jets, back when they were churning out a lot of quality from their drafts. They would have constant contacts with the overseas organizations, build common plans and ask their players to file in reports after every game. There's enough control there, it seems.
That said, I don't think there's anything wrong with questioning management. They've done questionable things. A few actually. I don't see the point of dismissing nuances though when they seem to apply.

This was the direct quote from Arpon Basu and many others echoed this sentiment in the leadup to the draft. The Habs are very interested in "control" of their prospects because they believe their setup is really great at development.

Glad you agree it's okay to question management. Some middle ground we can meet at.

 

[Corky]

Gentlemen, for the main boards Top 50 prospects poll it’s on the 14th one and a Habs fan hasn’t been picked yet.

The reason is there is a split on Hutson and Reinbacher. Look, I understand both can be seen same level, but that’s not the point now.

We must join forces and pick Reinbacher and crown a Canadien in the top 15, and then naturally pick Hutson in following polls.


Let’s end the ridiculous bias against Canadiens prospects

To be honest, who cares. The Habs are hated on the main board and our players are consistently undervalued.

 

[NotProkofievian]

To be honest, who cares. The Habs are hated on the main board and our players are consistently undervalued.

Are they though, or have our prospects just sucked a lot?

 

[WentWughes]

Are they though, or have our prospects just sucked a lot?

Our prospects certainly do get undervalued at times due to other fanbases dislike for us. I remember a poll years ago where Suzuki was deemed the worst prospect by many out of Cody Glass and Morgan Frost, was still a ridiculous at the time not even just in hindsight. Also not a prospect but I remember when Subban was a young up and comer and the takes on the main board regarding him by other fanbases were outrageous due to their own dislike of the Habs. Amongst several other occasions, it is not just the Habs though Toronto prospects and players have also been downplayed for similar reasons in the past.

 

[G0bias]

Gentlemen, for the main boards Top 50 prospects poll it’s on the 14th one and a Habs fan hasn’t been picked yet.

The reason is there is a split on Hutson and Reinbacher. Look, I understand both can be seen same level, but that’s not the point now.

We must join forces and pick Reinbacher and crown a Canadien in the top 15, and then naturally pick Hutson in following polls.


Let’s end the ridiculous bias against Canadiens prospects

Slaf and Guhle have graduated at early stages, Caufield dropped 40g between the ages 21-22, so its not that huge a deal

 

[NotProkofievian]

Our prospects certainly do get undervalued at times due to other fanbases dislike for us. I remember a poll years ago where Suzuki was deemed the worst prospect by many out of Cody Glass and Morgan Frost, was still a ridiculous at the time not even just in hindsight. Also not a prospect but I remember when Subban was a young up and comer and the takes on the main board regarding him by other fanbases were outrageous due to their own dislike of the Habs. Amongst several other occasions, it is not just the Habs though Toronto prospects and players have also been downplayed for similar reasons in the past.

We ourselves put Poehling ahead of Suzuki.

 

[BLONG7]

They have multiple star forwards. We have none. There might just be a happy middle in there somewhere.



I'm not sure you understood exactly what I was getting at. The point was that there is nothing to get excited about in terms of the product. It's the same bland shit they always do.

I can do the exercise with the draft picks just for fun:

Chucky (Thought is was fine, but was worried about the injury)
MCCarron (Horrible)
Scherback (Thought it was fine)
Juulsen (Thought it was fine)
Sergachev (Thumbs Up)
Poehling (Thought it was Meh)
KK (Really didn't like it)

Not sure if you know where I see you coming from...................why so impatient with the new crew?
I firmly believe it's far too soon, to so critical of the new regime, when far too much leeway was given to a clown with no plan from the former regime?

The new management team in place actually has a plan...................they are not plugging holes for the sake of plugging holes......we all know where that got Bergevin.
I don't recall if you were critical of the clown GM? Maybe you were?
But we certainly see you as critical and negative right now.

I think, we are in good hands....but it's very early to know for sure....but I like our plan.

 

[ReHabs]

Are they though, or have our prospects just sucked a lot?

Our prospects are not very good! Hutson is our most promising (highest upside) prospect and he is a 5’9 defender!! After him is a future “D-2 who won’t run the power play” — high floor, unknown ceiling. After Reinbacher is a bunch of bupkis.

Remember when the usual sycophants (Basu, Engels, etc) were raving about Bergevin gaining “more darts for the dart board”?

 

[BaseballCoach]

I honestly don't get your angle like at all. Do you want him here for purely selfish reasons? Do you hope to move him to the NHL the following season?
Any argument anyone has made for Laval is just as valid the following year. I would prefer Mailloux getting all the gravy in Laval in an attempt to establish himself as a number 1 there. I would also like Reinbacher to take on the exact same challenge the following season. Utilize the sliding ELC keep the kid where he cleary stated he wanted to be. Maximize the opportunities both leagues present for all our prospects. Do you truly believe another season in Switzerland is a wasted development year because I don't and I also pray we are allowing two full years of growth before bringing him up.

I am a fan of the Montreal Canadiens, not Kloten and not really Laval either, except insofar as they feed Montreal.

Yes I want to see Reinbacher in Montreal - when he is ready. That might be this year (probably not), or next year, or maybe later. I just care that he is ready.

I think playing on the smaller ice surface is what he mainly needs to get ready. The smaller ice means everything is faster and he must read the plays quicker and position himself better. North AMericanhockey is also more physical than the Swiss league. The AHL is a good place to adapt to this.

If the Habs think Reinbacher is not ready for the AHL and is better off in Switzerland - AFTER seeing him in camp and evaluating him - then I probably won't mind, as long as they sound like they did a thorough job of thinking it through.

But the arbitrary idea that Hughes must funnel one prospect per year through Laval is neither logical nor efficient at all.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Our prospects are not very good! Hutson is our most promising (highest upside) prospect and he is a 5’9 defender!! After him is a future “D-2 who won’t run the power play” — high floor, unknown ceiling. After Reinbacher is a bunch of bupkis.

Remember when the usual sycophants (Basu, Engels, etc) were raving about Bergevin gaining “more darts for the dart board”?

I think you are being somewhat pessimistic.

Slafkovsky at 19 is still a prospect and should slot into the top six with more seasoning.

Mailloux has real offensive-D talent.

Joshua Roy looks like he will be a solid second-liner. Trusted by his coaches everywhere he plays, upward of 20-25 goals per year is certainly envisionable in the future.

Jayden Struble has legs and muscle, and might be the next Romanov, with better IQ. Or maybe even McDonagh.

Heineman is big and fast, competes well, and is likely to be a middle six forward.

Farrell has a chance to be a real point producer, based on his intelligence and how he dominated the NCAA, plus looked good in international competitions. Sure, he might not hit his potential, but the upside is definitely there.

One of Dobes or Fowler might be a #1 goalie down the road.

Kidney racked up the points in Junior. Potential is there, but I see a smaller chance of hitting it than some of the others.

Engstrom and Kapanen may surprise people, especially Engstrom. Would love to see these guys in Laval by next season.

 

[ReHabs]

I think you are being somewhat pessimistic.

The evidence and historical precedent is what it is. How many 40pt forwards/30pt defenders have the Habs graduated in the last decade? How many 60pt forwards/40pt dmen? How many PPG forwards/50pt dmen?

 

[CTHabsfan]

The evidence and historical precedent is what it is. How many 40pt forwards/30pt defenders have the Habs graduated in the last decade? How many 60pt forwards/40pt dmen? How many PPG forwards/50pt dmen?

The current management team has not been in place for a decade. It's not fair to claim precedent based on the results of a prior regime.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

im pretty sure will see Reinbacher with Laval next season its clear that our management likes being close to our players if they preferred Mesar in the OHL last season i doubt they will ship our recent #5 pick back to Switzerland

That being said im fine with that decision our staff like Adam Nicholas will get to work closely with him he will also get use to our smaller ice Jiricek and Nemec had good years in the AHL last season so im sure Reinbacher will be fine with the Rocket