Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[salbutera]

Bergevin worked from a much stronger position than Houle. Full cap, inherited a young core, got ten years.

Forgot a very important factor…player autonomy - Savard barely faced it during his tenure except at the end… Bellows would only come to Habs if Corey & Savard would guarantee a trade back to a U.S. locale after 2-seasons (from Savard’s own mouth)

Houle faced a tougher time than Savard because players started gaining more power post 1994 lockout but nowhere near MB levels where NTC/NMC were well entrenched and we all know how many elite talents have waived / signed as UFAs in Canada since 2004 lockout

 

[Retired]

I don't know how much Hughes is actually running this team. I'm getting heavy Gorton vibes from the way things are going.

How much actual “running” can you be doing with those contracts? I feel they barely had wiggle room so far.

Seems to me kids like Reinbacher here are coming into a better situation than any must-win-grind-up-the-linup til you eff up endless teams we’ve been watching, bodes well.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

How much actual “running” can you be doing with those contracts? I feel they barely had wiggle room so far.

Seems to me kids like Reinbacher here are coming into a better situation than any must-win-grind-up-the-linup til you eff up endless teams we’ve been watching, bodes well.

Yeah, can't wait for our brand new 2-way defenseman to possibly pan out. So exciting.

 

[KevSkillz4]

Before the draft I don't wanted a D with that high pick. But after this pick, I'm truly hype with the future foundation of Habs team.

At forward: Suzuki, Caufield, Dach, Slafkovsky, Newhook, RHP, Ylonen, Heineman, Roy, Beck, Farrell, Mesar, Tuch, and more.

At defense : Guhle, Hutson, Mailloux, Reinbacher, Xhekaj, Barron, Harris, Engstrom, Trudeau, Struble and more.

At goalie : Dobes, Fowler, Miller, Volokhin and more.

Great times to be a Habs fan!!

 

[Kaladin]

I think a significant portion of sports fans simply defer to their team and then get belligerently defensive whenever anyone proposes an alternative.

Given that it has been ove 30 years since the last Cup, the Habs are officially entering Perennial Loser Team territory. So it shouldn't make us fans feel ashamed to want them to do thing thoughtfully and consistently going forward. If Rushing Slafkovsky to the NHL was right for Slafkovsky, then Reinbacher should be brought over as well -- we have less room on D than we did at F so then the expected place to see Reinbacher should be the AHL. All the arguments in favour of having Slafkovsky near Montreal stand for Reinbacher as well.

If Hughes had admitted he rushed or mishandled Slaf over to North America, then we could say okay, he doesn't want to make the same mistake twice. But Hughes has adamantly defended his handling of Slafkovsky on multiple occasions so there isn't much sense to not bring over Reinbacher who was significantly better for his team than Slaf was his his at the time of their respective drafts.

Nail on head.

 

[Revansky]

So if Reinbacher goes back to Switzerland, what everyone's expectation concerning his production ?

2022-23 : 22 in 46 gp (tied at 20th in points for D)

Just for comparison sake : best scorer in NACL was Roman Cervenka with 59 pts in 43 gp ; best D was Henrik Tormenes with 43 pts in 52.

There's one defenseman older than him and with better production on Kloten HC (30 pts, had the same production in SHL, which i find interesting) so I guess they'll play him with him as he's LD.

To become a top 10 point producing D, he would need to reach 30 pts (NHLE of 25 points on a 82 game pace).

 

[Rapala]

Mailloux and Reinbacher can each play 22-24 minutes. The third RD can play 12-14 unless there are injuries or callups. There is not a single other top prospect on that side that needs much more. Brady Keeper at 27 years old can play left side if needed.

It is a risk to play Reinbacher on bigger ice again and develop even more muscle memory of how to do certain things which are NOT the way things should be done on the NHL-size rink.

I get how folks remember Kotkaniemi being kept in Montreal when he had weaknesses in his game. But first, Laval is not Montreal. The AHL is a developmental league by constitution. The top Swiss league, by contrast, is a win-now league. The folks running the team there are not motivated to let the kid make mistakes as he might in Laval, but play through them for long-term benefit, since in the long-term David will not be there. Second, Reinbacher has fewer weaknesses at the same than KK had.

There is nothing wrong with having two promising RD in Laval. It's exactly what most of the slow-and-steady folks here wanted last year at this time, to start two LD in Laval.

This is Malarkey.
EHC Kloten is an ice hockey team based in the city of Kloten in Switzerland. The team plays in the National League. It has one of the best youth systems in Swiss ice hockey as its youth teams have won 19 championships during the last 50 years. EHC Kloten won four consecutive Swiss championships from 1993 to 1996. Wikipedia

One of the stupidest thing you've said by far is the folks running the team aren't motivated to let the kid make mistakes. It sure seems like the kid got benched a ton last season while he TOOK OVER the right side.

Please WTF are you on about muscle memory. Do you not think playing a full season in the AHL the following year will address the smaller ice issues. Moritz Seider actually did the opposite and I'm fairly certain his muscle memory didn't suffer. I'm also trying to figure out what KK has to do with anything we are discussing.

Who exactly is going to get PP minutes in Laval Mailloux or Reinbacher or maybe we play two righties at the same time. Finally while you may not think Tourigny Struble and Trudeau need as much ice time as possible I do and God help us if our Development Team don't.

The fact is it is far more advantageous to leave Reinbacher right where he is as it stands at this moment. Once camp is done the Development Team will decide what is best for our prospects. Hughes does not make unilateral decisions despite what some are implying. He said that from day one. If you don't think they will consider everything we've talked about including what is best long term for this organization I think we are done.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

I know but Houle did the worst. Or he killed what was left as a credible hockey team. But true also his boss asked him to cut payroll. His boss was the owner before Gillett.

Subban/Weber was pretty bad. Talk about not knowing how to read the room. Even if their on ice performances ended up being a wash, they lost some fans and eliminated the only excitement the team had left.

Gallagher extension was bad, Briere signing was bad, Douglas Murray was bad, hiring an on air personality who publicly bashed your star dman was bad, the bridge was bad, arbitration was bad. Drouin for Sergachev was monumentally bad. Doubling down in the foxhole was bad, replacing Therrien with Julien was bad.

I mean cmon, Ott, king and Martinsen. Signing Hoffman, armia, Byron. The amount of deadweight this guy signed is embarrassing. Then the kk offer sheet and subsequent replacement with Dvorak, omg, just how bad he is makes me sick thinking about it. We had about 50million in unmovable assets ffs.

Drafting/development was a complete failure on top of it all. This was a snake oil salesman claiming to be building through the draft that produced the least amount of NHLers in a 10 year span of any team in the league. This guy was a disaster.

 

[NotProkofievian]

So if Reinbacher goes back to Switzerland, what everyone's expectation concerning his production ?

2022-23 : 22 in 46 gp (tied at 20th in points for D)

Just for comparison sake : best scorer in NACL was Roman Cervenka with 59 pts in 43 gp ; best D was Henrik Tormenes with 43 pts in 52.

There's one defenseman older than him and with better production on Kloten HC (30 pts, had the same production in SHL, which i find interesting) so I guess they'll play him with him as he's LD.

To become a top 10 point producing D, he would need to reach 30 pts (NHLE of 25 points on a 82 game pace).

I think he gets a sizeable boost in production. Somewhere around 0.7ppg +/- 0.1. In the race for the best U20 Swiss league season by a defenceman ever.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

I think he gets a sizeable boost in production. Somewhere around 0.7ppg +/- 0.1. In the race for the best U20 Swiss league season ever.

amazing, if true.

 

[Scriptor]

This is Malarkey.
EHC Kloten is an ice hockey team based in the city of Kloten in Switzerland. The team plays in the National League. It has one of the best youth systems in Swiss ice hockey as its youth teams have won 19 championships during the last 50 years. EHC Kloten won four consecutive Swiss championships from 1993 to 1996. Wikipedia

One of the stupidest thing you've said by far is the folks running the team aren't motivated to let the kid make mistakes. It sure seems like the kid got benched a ton last season while he TOOK OVER the right side.

Please WTF are you on about muscle memory. Do you not think playing a full season in the AHL the following year will address the smaller ice issues. Moritz Seider actually did the opposite and I'm fairly certain his muscle memory didn't suffer. I'm also trying to figure out what KK has to do with anything we are discussing.

Who exactly is going to get PP minutes in Laval Mailloux or Reinbacher or maybe we play two righties at the same time. Finally while you may not think Tourigny Struble and Trudeau need as much ice time as possible I do and God help us if our Development Team don't.

The fact is it is far more advantageous to leave Reinbacher right where he is as it stands at this moment. Once camp is done the Development Team will decide what is best for our prospects. Hughes does not make unilateral decisions despite what some are implying. He said that from day one. If you don't think they will consider everything we've talked about including what is best long term for this organization I think we are done.

Reinbacher likely goes back to a team that enabled his meteoric progression last season, closer to home while he continues to mature as a young kid and grows in confidence, before uprooting himself completely and coming over to North America the season after, whether it is to play in Laval or Montreal (I hope he starts in Laval with Hutson, perhaps, to build chemistry away from the spotlight in Montreal before graduating to the NHL).

Maybe Montreal gives him a sniff of the level of play at the NHL level to start the year. That way, despite returning to Europe, Reinbacher gets a feel for what is needed in North America.

 

[Revansky]

I think he gets a sizeable boost in production. Somewhere around 0.7ppg +/- 0.1. In the race for the best U20 Swiss league season by a defenceman ever.

30 to 35 points seems like a realistic expectaction and would be great production.

 

[montreal]

I thought they would send him back for 1 more year but now I wonder if they will just go with Laval and look to move some bodies before the season opens. Clearly they were thinking this when they said they may send him back due to the bad reaction from the fans that it may be smarter to just have him out the limelight.

But we'll see how he looks at camp, I fear they will rush him to the NHL ala Slaf but at least this time around there's at least for now a TON of blueliners if they were to keep him here. I wouldn't be surprised if he's in Laval though,

 

[Scriptor]

I thought they would send him back for 1 more year but now I wonder if they will just go with Laval and look to move some bodies before the season opens. Clearly they were thinking this when they said they may send him back due to the bad reaction from the fans that it may be smarter to just have him out the limelight.

But we'll see how he looks at camp, I fear they will rush him to the NHL ala Slaf but at least this time around there's at least for now a TON of blueliners if they were to keep him here. I wouldn't be surprised if he's in Laval though,

IMO, if he stays in North America, he starts the season in Laval, maybe after a few games in the NHL to see what he needs to work up towards. That would depend on how he looks at training camp in the preseason games?

Still, I think he returns to EHC Kloten. Close to home as he matures, as I've said before, and with a coaching staff that saw his potential and found a way for him to develop it last season, overcoming harder and harder challenges along the way.

This year, I'd assume he takes a step uo in responsibilities with 1st PP wave duties, along with 1st pairing duties at even strength and a role on the PK, continuing to get tons of TOI.

Staying closer to his family would help him stay in a familiar environment as he gains in confidence before coming over to North America.

By them he might get to start in Laval with Hutson and develop chemistry away from the limelight of the Bell Center. Not a bad situation for both young Ds.

Two more years to raise the trade value of Matheson, Harris, Barron and Kovacevic as Engstrom plays two more years in Europe as well.

Mailloux getting the first call to the NHL wouldn't be such a bad thing as he could immediately be paired with Guhle while Savard, not yet fully decrepit, gets to play with Matheson ahead of the youngsters on the depth chart.

Xhekaj with Barron, or Harris (on his off side) on the third pairing, with some Kovcevic slotted in to sub the young Ds on that pairing wouldn't be a bad thing.

Perhaps one of Harris or Barron gets to play in Laval for nthe start of next year and eats up a lot of prime TOI?

Plenty of solid options that don't require reinbacher to play in Laval.

 

[BLONG7]

Yeah, can't wait for our brand new 2-way defenseman to possibly pan out. So exciting.

We gave Bergevin far too many years so I am not following why on their second draft you are beating this drum.........again, Bergevin IS the reason we are struggling to be patient but.................

To review, not sure where you stood with these picks but this is a list from our 1st rounders for the first 7 years, under the Clown.........

Chucky
MCCarron
Scherback
Juulsen
Sergachev ( Drouin )
Poehling
KK

Knowing what we know, and of course it's 20/20 going back in time..........The Best Pick in 7 Years was a Dman, which Bergevin turned into Drouin, obvious mistake, but a huge one.

The current regime have just 2 drafts so far....and you have lost your patience already?
How many years before you lost your patience with Bergevin?
Just asking....

 

[themilosh]

I went right towards the end due to the overtime comment and found it in 10 seconds. Was that just luck?

slow clap.

 

[SlafySZN]

I thought they would send him back for 1 more year but now I wonder if they will just go with Laval and look to move some bodies before the season opens. Clearly they were thinking this when they said they may send him back due to the bad reaction from the fans that it may be smarter to just have him out the limelight.

But we'll see how he looks at camp, I fear they will rush him to the NHL ala Slaf but at least this time around there's at least for now a TON of blueliners if they were to keep him here. I wouldn't be surprised if he's in Laval though,

The reason for him to go back was never due to bad reaction.

Reinbacher was talking about going back and finishing school before and after he got drafted. Now, maybe they judge Laval is the better place for him after camp but i think he’ll go back to switzerland. His season starts september 15th

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Subban/Weber was pretty bad. Talk about not knowing how to read the room. Even if their on ice performances ended up being a wash, they lost some fans and eliminated the only excitement the team had left.

Gallagher extension was bad, Briere signing was bad, Douglas Murray was bad, hiring an on air personality who publicly bashed your star dman was bad, the bridge was bad, arbitration was bad. Drouin for Sergachev was monumentally bad. Doubling down in the foxhole was bad, replacing Therrien with Julien was bad.

I mean cmon, Ott, king and Martinsen. Signing Hoffman, armia, Byron. The amount of deadweight this guy signed is embarrassing. Then the kk offer sheet and subsequent replacement with Dvorak, omg, just how bad he is makes me sick thinking about it. We had about 50million in unmovable assets ffs.

Drafting/development was a complete failure on top of it all. This was a snake oil salesman claiming to be building through the draft that produced the least amount of NHLers in a 10 year span of any team in the league. This guy was a disaster.

Everything you say is right. But it came year by year, except the worst year he didn't resign Markov, Emelin and Radulov. That was an clear recoil in the history of this hockey team. In consolation price we had OA3 KK for that horrible year (when In wanted Tkachuck) and guess what happened he lost kk because of his ridiculous and dilletante offer sheet to the Canes. And today some would say he should have equal that 6m offer sheet. We basicly have Dvorak replacing Danault and kk. One present asset and one future asset at center position. Both gone, poof !!!
Al, these bad moves had a little positive counterpart in having Suzuki, CC, Ghule, Mailloux, Dach (by Romanov) and some prospects from the trades of Toffoli, Lehkonen and Chiarot. And we have the super good player Jake Evans. After writing this name I have to stop few seconds on my chair lay back. 0Ohh the great Evans !!!
And he kept a lot of his picks.
So That's All Folks as was saying the pig at the end.
From now we have a mess in front of us but it's going to end. I say 2 to 5 years and we enter into a new era. Until that moment, I suggest patience and forget. It's just heavy and toxic if this forum shows too much anger and if we don't turn the page. We know, we know. We better concentrate on the little by little new steps of the rookies that will be filling in the next years. We can be like new parents wondering each new steps from his baby. And stay polite vs those who doesn't share your point of view. Let's be democratic and open.

 

[Jaynki]

Yeah, can't wait for our brand new 2-way defenseman to possibly pan out. So exciting.

Unless you want to be the Leafs.

Yes, its exciting.

 

[JoelWarlord]

The folks running the team there are not motivated to let the kid make mistakes as he might in Laval, but play through them for long-term benefit, since in the long-term David will not be there.

The folks running the team there trusted a kid with no real prospect hype/pedigree coming into last year so much that he led their defence in TOI and ended the season as their #1 defenceman. Why would they suddenly decide a year later that he's now someone they can't trust?

More generally, I don't have a strong opinion on where he should play next year as there are pros and cons to Laval and Kloten, but I don't really think the Slafkovsky comparisons make much sense. The situations they'd be returning to in Europe are very different.

 

[montreal]

The reason for him to go back was never due to bad reaction.

Hughes said so after the draft, that they may look to send him back due to the poor reaction.

 

[montreal]

The folks running the team there trusted a kid with no real prospect hype/pedigree coming into last year so much that he led their defence in TOI and ended the season as their #1 defenceman. Why would they suddenly decide a year later that he's now someone they can't trust?

More generally, I don't have a strong opinion on where he should play next year as there are pros and cons to Laval and Kloten, but I don't really think the Slafkovsky comparisons make much sense. The situations they'd be returning to in Europe are very different.

agreed.

 

[Jaynki]

Hughes said so after the draft, that they may look to send him back due to the poor reaction.

I dont want to contradict you but i never heard Hughes say this.

It was a clickbait sites that said something like that by quoting apparently an habs exec.

It would be pretty bad to send him back to Europe because of the reaction.

Deal with it for f*** sake. In my opinion, they will send him (or keep him) based on a lot of factors but i strongly doubt fan reaction is one of them.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Everything you say is right. But it came year by year, except the worst year he didn't resign Markov, Emelin and Radulov. That was an clear recoil in the history of this hockey team. In consolation price we had OA3 KK for that horrible year (when In wanted Tkachuck) and guess what happened he lost kk because of his ridiculous and dilletante offer sheet to the Canes. And today some would say he should have equal that 6m offer sheet. We basicly have Dvorak replacing Danault and kk. One present asset and one future asset at center position. Both gone, poof !!!
Al, these bad moves had a little positive counterpart in having Suzuki, CC, Ghule, Mailloux, Dach (by Romanov) and some prospects from the trades of Toffoli, Lehkonen and Chiarot. And we have the super good player Jake Evans. After writing this name I have to stop few seconds on my chair lay back. 0Ohh the great Evans !!!
And he kept a lot of his picks.
So That's All Folks as was saying the pig at the end.
From now we have a mess in front of us but it's going to end. I say 2 to 5 years and we enter into a new era. Until that moment, I suggest patience and forget. It's just heavy and toxic if this forum shows too much anger and if we don't turn the page. We know, we know. We better concentrate on the little by little new steps of the rookies that will be filling in the next years. We can be like new parents wondering each new steps from his baby. And stay polite vs those who doesn't share your point of view. Let's be democratic and open.

Wow, how did I forget about the Markov/Radulov if you want loyalty, buy a dog. Schlemko, streit, alzner Lolol we’re supposed to replace Markov, Emelin and Beaulieu. This idiot lost his entire left side in one off season.

How on god’s earth is he advising anyone?

I agree about not being toxic and forgetting, but this guy literally made me quit watching games. He was so bad.

 

[Coffee]

Gentlemen, for the main boards Top 50 prospects poll it’s on the 14th one and a Habs fan hasn’t been picked yet.

The reason is there is a split on Hutson and Reinbacher. Look, I understand both can be seen same level, but that’s not the point now.

We must join forces and pick Reinbacher and crown a Canadien in the top 15, and then naturally pick Hutson in following polls.


Let’s end the ridiculous bias against Canadiens prospects