Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[montreal]

 

[themilosh]

buddy.. cmon 12 min clip... give us a timestamp lol.

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Other European Ds have come over to North America later than at the age 18 and have had an impact at the NHL level nonetheless.

Lidstrom being the highest profile D who came as a 20-21 year old.

I'm not saying Reinbacher is the next Lidstrom, but he can still have a solid impact at the NHL level with one more year in Europe.

I am.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

C

buddy.. cmon 12 min game... give us a timestamp lol.

Chew don’t talk to the king like that

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

All the personal attacks on Bergevin have no reason to exist

I disagree. Comedy is therapeutic.

 

[Scriptor]

I disagree. Comedy is therapeutic.

Comedy? Well, that is a funny assessment of what comedy is...

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Comedy? Well, that is a funny assessment of what comedy is...

Not really. There's a part of the attacks that are truly comedic. You just reduced everything down to the same degree. The tropes, the memes and all of that. Those have a raison d'être.

 

[Kaladin]

Of Course they will have full access to him, he will be playing in Switzerland? What possible reason are you attempting to concoct that would indicate that they wouldn't have full access to him? And trading our prospects just to make room in Laval for Reinbacher is egregiously stupid....sorry but that is the truth.

Reinbacher took a monumental leap with Kloten and was not on anyone's radar as a top 10 prospect prior to the season. To suggest that all prospects that are drafted high must be in favourable developmental programs is just dishonest reasoning and barely warrants a reply. If you are going to insist on using generalizations to discredit specific scenarios you would appear to be more bias driven then truth driven. If you can't discern the difference from playing in a junior league where most prospects are procured from to a pro league then I do not know what to say to you.

Comparing him to Slafkovsky's situation is a poor comparison as Reinbacher has a very advanced understanding of the game for a player of his age and thrived in Kloten. Slafkovsky on the other hand was drafted as an extremely raw player with a very limited understanding of positional hockey. He was playing on a pro team that he was struggling on and it certainly appeared as though he was being poorly managed. If you are going to choose to ignore the fact that every organization is different and in many cases the differences are vast, then I can easily surmise what you agenda actually is here.

I am not against him playing in Laval at all and if Hughes can make it work then so be it. You just need to stop with this black and white narrative that appears designed to justify building a case against Hughes and the organization's philosophy. Just because you are not aware of every nuance in their philosophy does not indicate that it is as simplistic as you seem to believe.

What does full access mean to you? That they can fly in and out and check up on him like babysitters? What even is the point of that. Development wise "full control" should matter more than full access. It's egregiously stupid to maximize the value and development of our 5th overall pick? Okay.

Sure Reinbacher did well with Kloten. Is it a guarantee that they will continue to spoon feed him the same ice time? More PP time? Oh it's not a guarantee? Fancy that. What is our recourse in that event? Can we call him to Laval mid-season? Doubt it. Also, not sure where you're getting that I can't discern the difference from playing in a junior league to a pro league... where did that come up?

I never compared him to Slaf's situation. The Habs have made a general statement to many people in the media that they believe their development is the best place for prospects. They want to be in control of a player's development. That this ability influences their draft choices. So not sure why you wasted all those words on describing Slaf's situation but okay.

My agenda? Lol. I'm just taking what the management has said about their drafting philosophy and their development philosophy at face value and seeing how they apply it across their best prospects. You're the one who seems to bending over backwards to justify the potential decision to send him back to Europe despite everything management has said to the contrary. You seem to have the agenda here pal.

Ah yes the nuances of the philosophy. Must be great when you can justify anything with the word "nuances". So we can't analyze anything this team does based on their own stated philosophy because we may be missing the fine print right?

I think they'd rather Laval for obvious reasons. What are the even the benefits of going back to Swiss? He's already proved he can play vs men and Laval has a lot more resources available to help him develop.

For me it's a no brainer I think they definitely want him in Laval if I had to guess

Careful, you may get a sea of posters calling you egregiously stupid for saying this. That's what the level of discourse around here has been reduced too sadly. Can't question anything Habs management does or says. If you point out logical holes we're just missing the "nuances" of the grand strategy at play.

I agree. Reinbacher should play in Laval if we truly believe it's the best place for him to develop (which the Habs have stated they do for prospects in general).

 

[Scriptor]

Not really. There's a part of the attacks that are truly comedic. You just reduced everything down to the same degree. The tropes, the memes and all of that. Those have a raison d'être.

Nothing personal is humour if the intent is just to insult.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

What does full access mean to you? That they can fly in and out and check up on him like babysitters? What even is the point of that. Development wise "full control" should matter more than full access. It's egregiously stupid to maximize the value and development of our 5th overall pick? Okay.

Sure Reinbacher did well with Kloten. Is it a guarantee that they will continue to spoon feed him the same ice time? More PP time? Oh it's not a guarantee? Fancy that. What is our recourse in that event? Can we call him to Laval mid-season? Doubt it. Also, not sure where you're getting that I can't discern the difference from playing in a junior league to a pro league... where did that come up?

I never compared him to Slaf's situation. The Habs have made a general statement to many people in the media that they believe their development is the best place for prospects. They want to be in control of a player's development. That this ability influences their draft choices. So not sure why you wasted all those words on describing Slaf's situation but okay.

My agenda? Lol. I'm just taking what the management has said about their drafting philosophy and their development philosophy at face value and seeing how they apply it across their best prospects. You're the one who seems to bending over backwards to justify the potential decision to send him back to Europe despite everything management has said to the contrary. You seem to have the agenda here pal.

Ah yes the nuances of the philosophy. Must be great when you can justify anything with the word "nuances". So we can't analyze anything this team does based on their own stated philosophy because we may be missing the fine print right?


Careful, you may get a sea of posters calling you egregiously stupid for saying this. That's what the level of discourse around here has been reduced too sadly. Can't question anything Habs management does or says. If you point out logical holes we're just missing the "nuances" of the grand strategy at play.

I agree. Reinbacher should play in Laval if we truly believe it's the best place for him to develop (which the Habs have stated they do for prospects in general).

You just don't get it and your thought process is too linear to digest what I was trying to say.

 

[Kaladin]

You just don't get it and your thought process is too linear to digest what I was trying to say.

I apologize for my limited intellect EP. My parents flew me on a plane at only a month old.... must have lost some brain cells in that pressurized cabin.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I apologize for my limited intellect EP. My parents flew me on a plane at only a month old.... must have lost some brain cells in that pressurized cabin.

I am sure there are many intellectual endeavors that you would kick my *** in, we all have different strengths and weaknesses.

 

[BLONG7]

I’ve turned the corner on the pick. I actually like Reinbacher a lot. I just wanted a forward, but the top 4 went as expected and left us on the outside looking in. I much prefer this over Leonard or Dvorsky.

I’m at peace now.

I still wanted a forward.......................that said the more I read, see and hear, it sure seems without a doubt we got the best D in the draft............

Our future on D looks very very good.

 

[Retired]

I still wanted a forward.......................that said the more I read, see and hear, it sure seems without a doubt we got the best D in the draft............

Our future on D looks very very good.

Every hab forward in 2025 - “Hey I’m open! Hey!… …”

 

[Rapala]

I apologize for my limited intellect EP. My parents flew me on a plane at only a month old.... must have lost some brain cells in that pressurized cabin.

Your intellect aside you still haven't understood a thing people have been telling you about where we are at in terms of rebuilding. I can guarantee you where we are not at and that is in a place where we can afford to sacrifice a high end defensive prospect to send a player to Laval who doesn't need to be there and who has perfectly fine options elsewhere. If that changes sure. all bet are off but for now I just don't see a very shrewd Kent Hughes doing it. People think Owen Beck may be ready to play on the big club but the reality is will also likely have to go back to junior while we sort out placeholders.
The other thing you don't consider is no matter how we hope to deploy the youngster in given situations only his play will determine where he plays when he plays how much he plays who he plays with and how much PP or PK time he is given. So lose the idea that sending him to Laval will be the determining factor because that just isn't the case.

 

[Kaladin]

Your intellect aside you still haven't understood a thing people have been telling you about where we are at in terms of rebuilding. I can guarantee you where we are not at and that is in a place where we can afford to sacrifice a high end defensive prospect to send a player to Laval who doesn't need to be there and who has perfectly fine options elsewhere. If that changes sure. all bet are off but for now I just don't see a very shrewd Kent Hughes doing it. People think Owen Beck may be ready to play on the big club but the reality is will also likely have to go back to junior while we sort out placeholders.
The other thing you don't consider is no matter how we hope to deploy the youngster in given situations only his play will determine where he plays when he plays how much he plays who he plays with and how much PP or PK time he is given. So lose the idea that sending him to Laval will be the determining factor because that just isn't the case.

I promise you I'm not the one advocating for less patience in our rebuild. I was simply shining a light on how bogus Hughes purported emphasis on importance they place on controlling development of players is. The man is a walking hypocrite if he doesn't bring Reinbacher to Laval. If you think we have too many high end defensive prospects that we can't even trade one to make room for our 5th overall pick then maybe Hughes shouldn't have drafted a D in a forward heavy draft?

Personally? I don't think the Habs are any better at developing players as what Reinbacher's club in Europe can accomplish. But I'm not the one who has been basing my drafting decisions on this which Hughes allegedly has. So he should put his money where mouth is or maybe he isn't as "shrewd" as you assume. As for your last point, that's not true at all. If he's in Laval we can play him in the best situations regardless of his play as we are more invested in his development. He makes mistakes on the ice that should get him demoted? We can ignore them and keep him in those situations because long term developing his offensive tools is more important.

 

[Rapala]

The man is a walking hypocrite if he doesn't bring Reinbacher to Laval.

Sorry But.

In Laval we can play him in the best situations regardless of his play

Not at the expense of other prospects no we can't.

 

[Kaladin]

Sorry But.

Not at the expense of other prospects no we can't.

God forbid our 2nd round picks don't get the development they need. This team needs stars not depth. We should be doing everything possible to squeeze every drop of talent out of our top 10 picks or you end up like the Rangers. Oddly enough we've imported their brain trust here to lead us out of this rebuild.

I get it though. You're on the Hughes can do no wrong bandwagon. People should have learnt from the Bergevin debacle that NHL GM's are not faultless beings.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

God forbid our 2nd round picks don't get the development they need. This team needs stars not depth. We should be doing everything possible to squeeze every drop of talent out of our top 10 picks or you end up like the Rangers. Oddly enough we've imported their brain trust here to lead us out of this rebuild.

I get it though. You're on the Hughes can do no wrong bandwagon. People should have learnt from the Bergevin debacle that NHL GM's are not faultless beings.

I don't know how much Hughes is actually running this team. I'm getting heavy Gorton vibes from the way things are going.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Sorry But.

Not at the expense of other prospects no we can't.

Which prospect is more important than Reinbacher?

Hutson? Not in Laval yet.

Roy or Heineman? Not defencemen.

Mailloux? There,s room for two 1st rounders in Laval. Struble can easily get time too as the top prospect on this year's team from the left side.

Norlinder or Beaudin? Long shots.

Tourigny, Trudeau? Give me a break.

 

[Rapala]

Which prospect is more important than Reinbacher?

Hutson? Not in Laval yet.

Roy or Heineman? Not defencemen.

Mailloux? There,s room for two 1st rounders in Laval. Struble can easily get time too as the top prospect on this year's team from the left side.

Norlinder or Beaudin? Long shots.

Tourigny, Trudeau? Give me a break.

Wrong.
Having Reinbacher taking minutes away from Mailloux is just stupid. We keep hearing the same thing over and over again Mailloux has not played enough hockey to be where we think he should be at in his development. Does drafting Reinbacher change the project that is Logan Mailloux because that is exactly what you are advocating. Reinbacher can get all the icetime he needs in Switzerland while Mailloux gets the same in Laval. In one years time Mailloux should be able to take the next step and then Reinbacher can come over and take the lead role in Laval.
Give me a break.

 

[ReHabs]

Slafkovsky to the NHL even when he didn't earn it or belong: Hughes is a genius, Habs will have access to him and control his development, Slaf will work with Adam Nicholas the super guru!

Reinbacher remains in Europe: Hughes is a genius, Habs will ensure Mattias Norlinder and Miguël Tourigny don't lose any valuable development time in Laval and Reinbacher can develop with his team abroad, far away from the Habs and development guru Adam Nicholas.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Wrong.
Having Reinbacher taking minutes away from Mailloux is just stupid. We keep hearing the same thing over and over again Mailloux has not played enough hockey to be where we think he should be at in his development. Does drafting Reinbacher change the project that is Logan Mailloux because that is exactly what you are advocating. Reinbacher can get all the icetime he needs in Switzerland while Mailloux gets the same in Laval. In one years time Mailloux should be able to take the next step and then Reinbacher can come over and take the lead role in Laval.
Give me a break.

Mailloux and Reinbacher can each play 22-24 minutes. The third RD can play 12-14 unless there are injuries or callups. There is not a single other top prospect on that side that needs much more. Brady Keeper at 27 years old can play left side if needed.

It is a risk to play Reinbacher on bigger ice again and develop even more muscle memory of how to do certain things which are NOT the way things should be done on the NHL-size rink.

I get how folks remember Kotkaniemi being kept in Montreal when he had weaknesses in his game. But first, Laval is not Montreal. The AHL is a developmental league by constitution. The top Swiss league, by contrast, is a win-now league. The folks running the team there are not motivated to let the kid make mistakes as he might in Laval, but play through them for long-term benefit, since in the long-term David will not be there. Second, Reinbacher has fewer weaknesses at the same than KK had.

There is nothing wrong with having two promising RD in Laval. It's exactly what most of the slow-and-steady folks here wanted last year at this time, to start two LD in Laval.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Slafkovsky to the NHL even when he didn't earn it or belong: Hughes is a genius, Habs will have access to him and control his development, Slaf will work with Adam Nicholas the super guru!

Reinbacher remains in Europe: Hughes is a genius, Habs will ensure Mattias Norlinder and Miguël Tourigny don't lose any valuable development time in Laval and Reinbacher can develop with his team abroad, far away from the Habs and development guru Adam Nicholas.

LOL, in both cases, the idea is to shun the actual developmental league?

 

[BaseballCoach]

buddy.. cmon 12 min clip... give us a timestamp lol.

I went right towards the end due to the overtime comment and found it in 10 seconds. Was that just luck?

 

[ReHabs]

LOL, in both cases, the idea is to shun the actual developmental league?

I think a significant portion of sports fans simply defer to their team and then get belligerently defensive whenever anyone proposes an alternative.

Given that it has been ove 30 years since the last Cup, the Habs are officially entering Perennial Loser Team territory. So it shouldn't make us fans feel ashamed to want them to do thing thoughtfully and consistently going forward. If Rushing Slafkovsky to the NHL was right for Slafkovsky, then Reinbacher should be brought over as well -- we have less room on D than we did at F so then the expected place to see Reinbacher should be the AHL. All the arguments in favour of having Slafkovsky near Montreal stand for Reinbacher as well.

If Hughes had admitted he rushed or mishandled Slaf over to North America, then we could say okay, he doesn't want to make the same mistake twice. But Hughes has adamantly defended his handling of Slafkovsky on multiple occasions so there isn't much sense to not bring over Reinbacher who was significantly better for his team than Slaf was his his at the time of their respective drafts.