Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[le_sean]

You're about to be approached with pitchforks and torches.

If they can’t afford a gun, they can’t afford a full season subscription/VPN to watch either league.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

If they can’t afford a gun, they can’t afford a full season subscription/VPN to watch either league.

Frick, you can find streams for both leagues for free pretty easy. The quality is often crap, but you can see pretty much any prospect play if you really want to. I've spent more hours than I'd like to admit watching grainy 360p hockey streams, squinting my eyes to try and make out the numbers on the back of the jerseys to find that one prospect I wanted to see in action

 

[le_sean]

Frick, you can find streams for both leagues for free pretty easy. The quality is crap, but you can see pretty much any prospect play if you really want to.

It was very clearly a joke. But what’s not a joke - 98% of the people still whining about this pick didn’t watch a single full game of either player. They saw YouTube scouting videos or just piggybacked off the words of other armchair scouts.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

It was very clearly a joke. But what’s not a joke - 98% of the people still whining about this pick didn’t watch a single full game of either player. They saw YouTube scouting videos or just piggybacked off the words of other armchair scouts.

Oh I know, I was actually backing your point. There's really no excuse making extreme takes when you can so easily watch the actual prospects and make up your own mind.

 

[Frank Drebin]

It still fascinates me to see people upset about this pick when they

a) never watched a single 2022-23 Swiss league game
b) never watched a single 2022-23 KHL game

Is it really surprising though?

 

[Twisted Sinister]

I absolutely get why you are having a tough time being patient....feel the same way, it's just I see a huge difference towards the new regime versus the gong show Bergevin was running.

The new guys have changed literally the entire organization on and off the ice, and I think we will see this come together to make the habs a better team, and these guys will soon have this club doing good things......wish they had been here during Price's tenure.

Curious if you think, a former players agent knows what his players want? What they discuss?
Does this make a former player agent a good candidate for making a good GM?
I would certainly think it does.
In the case of Hughes, he has inherited a gong show of cap troubles, and a team spent to the max, and finished dead last. In some ways an awful spot to start, but in some ways, a good place to start.

We are on a path..........it's hard to be patient though....

I think there's no issue with a former player agent running a team. I don't think Hughes is by himself here though. I think Gorton is making many of the decisions, I think Molson still has outsized influence, and I'm detecting nepotism in the hiring process that seems to be leading to a bit of an echo chamber... Such as when they said THE WHOLE TEAM agreed on Reinbacher. That was a really weird thing to say and it's a really weird thing to happen.

Projecting much here? Yikes.

I notice you quietly tried to ignore my video from the combine that proved your posturing and doomsaying about Russian scouts wrong and decided to go ad hominem instead. Cute

Post Traumatic Bergevin Disorder

We all suffer from it to some extent...

Well almost all.

Definitely lol.

 

[Supersonic]

Speaking of that Reinbacher guy

I hope he goes back to Europe for one more year to dominate and get another offseason training on his skills, conditioning, etc.

I also think him going back is very helpful for us, as I believe his ELC will slide (?). So we will get another year of him on his ELC when we should be a playoff team again.

Keep pushing those ELCs out, baby…

[This post was written by a paid MTL shill ]

 

[Twisted Sinister]

He does say that line a little too much doesn't he

Hey, it describes their behavior perfectly. If the shoe fits...

 

[OnTheRun]

Speaking of that Reinbacher guy

I hope he goes back to Europe for one more year to dominate and get another offseason training on his skills, conditioning, etc.

I also think him going back is very helpful for us, as I believe his ELC will slide (?). So we will get another year of him on his ELC when we should be a playoff team again.

Keep pushing those ELCs out, baby…

[This post was written by a paid MTL shill ]

His ELC still slide if he play in the AHL. As long he doesn't play 10 games in the NHL, his contract will slide.

 

[BLONG7]

Former player agents don’t always have a good track record as GMs. So I don’t think that’s a good argument, IMO.

That said, Hughes also has Gorton to help steer the ship. They are clearly following a strategy (which I think has flaws) but it will take time to see if it works and to what degree. They can/will also get lucky along the way.

If MB brought this team a few wins away from a cup, Hughes can certainly do at least as much.

Speaking of flaws, laying it all on the goalie was MB's MO LOL Oh yeah, the world pandemic helped his cause too....LOL

These guys both can use their brains, instead of biceps!! LOL
We are going in the right direction....but it's hard to be patient.

 

[Kaladin]

The issue isn't fans being wrong.. the issue is the same fans crying all the f***ing time on 18 year old kids and then don't have the stones to own up to who they want.

It's the smallest dick energy I've ever seen to pound one's chest for months leading to the draft that Shane Wright is the pick at 1 OA and Cooley isn't in the same league, to pivot a year later when Wright isn't progressing very well and Cooley looks like the best player so far in that class, then say oh the Habs f***ed up and should have taken Cooley or Jiricek, but no mention of Wright?

If people are gonna be arrogant pricks about their own scouting ability and ruin every prospect thread or draft related thread with their bitching and moaning, then they should at least own up to their own failed attempts at scouting.

And the worst part of all of that is Wright's career isn't even over yet, they are all so young that you don't see me doing a victory lap around these parts because I was one of like 3 people here who wanted Cooley at 1.

I also wanted Cooley at 1 and posted so repeatedly months before the draft. Even lost money betting we would draft him sadly (the payouts would have been outrageous).

I agree in general that posters should stick to their guns if they believe in a prospect and let things play out. I disagree however with this pontificating from up high that there is a crowd of posters who bitch and moan and therefore are inferior in some way. I've seen you bitch and moan about picks the habs have done over the years as well. Just because you're on the other side of the coin now let's not forget our own past behaviour.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I also wanted Cooley at 1 and posted so repeatedly months before the draft. Even lost money betting we would draft him sadly (the payouts would have been outrageous).

I agree in general that posters should stick to their guns if they believe in a prospect and let things play out. I disagree however with this pontificating from up high that there is a crowd of posters who bitch and moan and therefore are inferior in some way. I've seen you bitch and moan about picks the habs have done over the years as well. Just because you're on the other side of the coin now let's not forget our own past behaviour.

Yeah, I have done it to some degree in the past. But I'm looking around at peers who have been here as long as me and it's just like, grow up and act a little bit more maturely here. Ryan Poehling was a long time ago.

It's just gotten worse over the years, too. Threads becoming cesspools that aren't even worth -not- ignoring.

 

[Kaladin]

The argument is that while his stats are obviously crazy impressive for a draft-year KHL player and tell us that he's absolutely very good and a top-10 talent, they aren't slam dunk proof that we're looking at a Generational or Malkin tier player. The thing about the KHL is you can't always make basic assumptions like "bad teams are still mostly trying to win every game in good faith and ice legitimate top level professionals". The post from @waffledave that you're replying to was talking about how 8 of his 20 points came against Kunlun Red Star, with this absolutely atrocious goalie in net. I don't personally think that's a huge deal b/c even if we arbitrarily take half of those away 16P in KHL 30 games is still great, but it's an example of the context issues in the KHL as this goalie doesn't even belong on the bench in the SPHL, but KRS exists to promote hockey in China so he gets KHL starts.

Either way, the more significant point is that the KHL is way more stratified than the NHL or other European leagues, it's much closer to European soccer in that way. Top junior talent usually gets funneled to the bigger and richer KHL clubs early on, and then those players struggle to get ice time as 17 year olds because their teams are playing to win and they have veterans to appease. Michkov got loaned from 1st place (50-13-5) St Petersburg to last place (11-47-10) Sochi and got opportunities he'd never get even on a middle of the pack team, which is not usually what happens with KHL prospects. We just don't really know how Michkov's year stacks up historically because Ovechkin and Malkin never got those opportunities in their draft years so we don't have a reference point for phenoms like we do with Bedard where we can know definitively that 71G and 72A in the WHL is historically insane.

FWIW I'd say the same about the whole "2nd best Swiss league draft year" thing with Reinbacher where that's mostly because Swiss prospects go to the CHL and they don't import foreign teenagers. It's impressive but doesn't inherently mean that he's a super phenom because his draft year point total was triple of Roman Josi's.

That may be your argument but that wasn't the argument of the guy I quoted. Obviously, stats aren't always slam dunk proof of the future. Prospects can bust or not live up to their potential. Does that really need to be stated?

Your point on the KHL I assume has always been the case in terms of not being able to make basic assumptions so the stats relative to the past should be consistent. I disagree with Kunlun Red Star stuff personally. Nowhere else do prospects have their points removed against the worst teams in their respective league. Not sure why we make that distinction for Michkov. Is the Kunlun Red Star goalie really that much worse than the worst goalie in a junior league that will never sniff any professional hockey role? Let's take some of Bedard's points away too.

Agree entirely on the playing time afforded to michkov at Sochi vs. how other quality russian prospects over time may have been more buried on better teams. Would be curious to know what Ovi's icetime was in his draft year vs Michkov or a Malkin. Can't seem to find it. How did you determine those two didn't get those opportunities? The flip side of course is Michkov got to play with way worse players than Ovi probably did on the better team.

Agree with your last paragraph.

 

[waffledave]

He does say that line a little too much doesn't he

Weird to be thinking about another man's penis so much.

 

[Jaynki]

and the 10 % ? what about that 10% ?

Semantics

 

[ChesterNimitz]

It still fascinates me to see people upset about this pick when they

a) never watched a single 2022-23 Swiss league game
b) never watched a single 2022-23 KHL game

Such is the prevailing power of the consensus. To the average fan its almost a cult like presence: all knowing and never wrong. Michov is a generational talent. No mere mortal should question it.

 

[Jaynki]

It still fascinates me to see people upset about this pick when they

a) never watched a single 2022-23 Swiss league game
b) never watched a single 2022-23 KHL game

Just had to watch a couple of WJC and WC games plus a couple of NA leagues highlights to understand that Reinbacher is a f***ing stud.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Just had to watch a couple of WJC and WC games plus a couple of NA leagues highlights to understand that Reinbacher is a f***ing stud.

The World's was awesome before the knee injury.

He was killing plays so efficiently with his stick and skating, but also leaned heavily to transition the puck and it didn't matter how much pressure, 0 panic, good decisions, puck always moving to the right people and right spaces on the ice.

 

[bsl]

It’s a Reinbacher thread, folks.

Rhino

 

[bopeep]

Keep trying to make it personal. Just so I'm clear, the mature thing right now is to say things like "guess what genius?", "idiotically amalgamating", "get a grip", "arpons, I mean oops, your opinion" and "naming your great busts like Boqvist over Hughes".

Umm, you forgot one... You forgot "No shit Sherlock..."

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Weird to be thinking about another man's penis so much.

Someone doesn't understand metaphors. It's ok. Words are difficult sometimes. I wasn't thinking about anyone's penis. You seem to be thinking about mine though! (Sorry, buddy, I'm taken)

Still notice you're ignoring the video that proved you were 100% wrong about "But Muh Russia" and using personal attacks by the way



Wanna retract or are you still gonna deflect, insult, and gaslight? When people have no argument, they go ad hominem.

Yeah, I have done it to some degree in the past. But I'm looking around at peers who have been here as long as me and it's just like, grow up and act a little bit more maturely here. Ryan Poehling was a long time ago.

It's just gotten worse over the years, too. Threads becoming cesspools that aren't even worth -not- ignoring.

Brother, you aren't better than anyone. Just because you have more patience for the garbage this team has been shoveling our way for decades, doesn't mean other people haven't had enough.

Whining about people whining is just as bad and toxic as you claim the initial whining is.

If you engage disagreement with respect, people will usually be respectful. If you go ad hominem and attack people, things will often go as above. It's not hard to keep things civil. I myself reflect back exactly what posters send at me, and it's usually the rose colored glasses crew that start hurling insults and before hypocritically whining about toxicity. Perfect example above as I was talking about a specific issue (drafting in Russia) while calling out the organization for being ineffectual. The poster was proven wrong, and he immediately resorted to implying I was both lacking in virility and also gay.

So perhaps back off just a little.

 

[Goldthorpe]

Yeah, I have done it to some degree in the past. But I'm looking around at peers who have been here as long as me and it's just like, grow up and act a little bit more maturely here. Ryan Poehling was a long time ago.

It's just gotten worse over the years, too. Threads becoming cesspools that aren't even worth -not- ignoring.

I'm not sure if has gone worst over the years. I think it has always been a bit like this.

Personally, I'm fine with people bitching and moaning about decisions they don't like. What becomes toxic though is how this tend to stain all other discussions, and I can already see the signs popping out.

People talk about the prospect depth? Well, our prospect depth sucks, because we are missing an offensive player, which we could have with Michkov.

People try to predict how the team will be in a few years? Well, clearly we'll be lacking scoring, it's the biggest, most important, unfixable issue. If only we had drafted Michkov.

The habs traded for Newhook? That was a stupid move, he's far from being as good as Michkov. The people who made this trade are dumb, because they are the same people who didn't draft Michkov - the obvious BPA - so we already know they are dumb, so any move they make will also be.

Brovov says that all scouts were fine with Reinbacher? That can't just be a boilerplate statement made to media, simplyfing months of internal discussions on the matter, no, it's suspect. It's concerning. This just confirmed they are incompetent, or yes-men - something we already knew because they didn't draft Michkov.

People will read the above and say I exaggerate but I'm not. This is exactly how some people on this board think.

 

[Jaynki]

The World's was awesome before the knee injury.

He was killing plays so efficiently with his stick and skating, but also leaned heavily to transition the puck and it didn't matter how much pressure, 0 panic, good decisions, puck always moving to the right people and right spaces on the ice.

100% agree.

I had a post back during the world cup stating that out of him and carlsson/fantilli, i thought he was the most impressive draftees there. Although a very small sample.

I understand the desire for an offensive superstar but the constant attachment to Michkov makes ***people*** missing out on Reinbacher.

Also we got Slaf, i know ***people*** perceive him as a bust but watch him become an offensive dynamo superstar.

 

[WeThreeKings]

100% agree.

I had a post back during the world cup stating that out of him and carlsson/fantilli, i thought he was the most impressive draftees there. Although a very small sample.

I understand the desire for an offensive superstar but the constant attachment to Michkov makes ***people*** missing out on Reinbacher.

Also we got Slaf, i know ***people*** perceive him as a bust but watch him become an offensive dynamo superstar.

Writing off an 18 year old kid is one of the most short sighted things a fan base can do.

It's just prudent to be patient.

 

[Colezuki]

Someone doesn't understand metaphors. It's ok. Words are difficult sometimes. I wasn't thinking about anyone's penis. You seem to be thinking about mine though! (Sorry, buddy, I'm taken)

Still notice you're ignoring the video that proved you were 100% wrong about "But Muh Russia" and using personal attacks by the way



Wanna retract or are you still gonna deflect, insult, and gaslight? When people have no argument, they go ad hominem.



Brother, you aren't better than anyone. Just because you have more patience for the garbage this team has been shoveling our way for decades, doesn't mean other people haven't had enough.

Whining about people whining is just as bad and toxic as you claim the initial whining is.

If you engage disagreement with respect, people will usually be respectful. If you go ad hominem and attack people, things will often go as above. It's not hard to keep things civil. I myself reflect back exactly what posters send at me, and it's usually the rose colored glasses crew that start hurling insults and before hypocritically whining about toxicity. Perfect example above as I was talking about a specific issue (drafting in Russia) while calling out the organization for being ineffectual. The poster was proven wrong, and he immediately resorted to implying I was both lacking in virility and also gay.

So perhaps back off just a little.

lol this is rich,