Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[Jaynki]

Writing off an 18 year old kid is one of the most short sighted things a fan base can do.

It's just prudent to be patient.

Its both one the most short sighted things and also one of the least surprising things.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Its both one the most short sighted things and also one of the least surprising things.

I'd say the discourse would be different if they took Wright like most people here wanted, but I think it would be similar, people would just reinvent who they wanted the Habs to select based on what paints management in the most negative light possible.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

I'm not sure if has gone worst over the years. I think it has always been a bit like this.

Personally, I'm fine with people bitching and moaning about decisions they don't like. What becomes toxic though is how this tend to stain all other discussions, and I can already see the signs popping out.

People talk about the prospect depth? Well, our prospect depth sucks, because we are missing an offensive player, which we could have with Michkov.

People try to predict how the team will be in a few years? Well, clearly we'll be lacking scoring, it's the biggest, most important, unfixable issue. If only we had drafted Michkov.

The habs traded for Newhook? That was a stupid move, he's far from being as good as Michkov. The people who made this trade are dumb, because they are the same people who didn't draft Michkov - the obvious BPA - so we already know they are dumb, so any move they make will also be.

Brovov says that all scouts were fine with Reinbacher? That can't just be a boilerplate statement made to media, simplyfing months of internal discussions on the matter, no, it's suspect. It's concerning. This just confirmed they are incompetent, or yes-men - something we already knew because they didn't draft Michkov.

People will read the above and say I exaggerate but I'm not. This is exactly how some people on this board think.

I will say I think Newhook is a dumb decision independent of Michkov

I don't think Michkov in and of himself is the problem... He's just the most recent symptom of the disease, which is our organizational philosophy. I think that's what most people are concerned about.

I will say it's gotten worse, but I think that's because peoples' patience is eroding. I think the backlash to this Michkov thing was way more than they were expecting, and they've been trotting out shills in the media for weeks to try and do PR damage control.

lol this is rich,

Talk to me normally and I'll talk to you normally. Easy rule to follow. Can't speak for anyone else.

Writing off an 18 year old kid is one of the most short sighted things a fan base can do.

It's just prudent to be patient.

Writing him off is ridiculous. Having concerns about his glaring weaknesses is not.

 

[ZUKI]

Semantics

Semantics? first time i read that name. Is he a Slovaque ?

 

[Jaynki]

Semantics? first time i read that name. Is he a Slovaque ?

Yes, he will complete the line of Slaf - Dvorsky - Mesar as the north winger.

 

[montreal]

Anyone have more links to Reinbacher games ?

https://vimeo.com/search/sort:longest?q=ehck

I think every game is there or just about as there's a shit ton. I uploaded a game last night but it was a disaster, took for ever without audio and was tough to sit through so much editing to keep it in HD. Not sure what I will do next, I plan on more games but not sure it will be worth it since the audio is almost all the games I checked (which was a lot), is just brutal.

 

[Rapala]

Yes Hughes spent better part of last 25-years as player agent but let’s not forget he ran summer hockey schools for the better part of last 30-years and coached minor elite programs full time which is why he knows the 2005/2006 birth year players from New England so intimately well + understanding this generation of players mindset / how to get through to them…

I don’t know of another agent who’s been as involved in tactical aspects of the game…

Hughes & MSL are unicorns in the hockey world

I’m waiting with abated breath till Hutson is NHL ready, I fully expect “position-less hockey concept” to kick into high gear. Will be interesting to see effectivity & leagues counter reaction

Positionless Hockey takes a lot of smart hombres to execute properly. It's pure instinctive player interchangeability all over the ice. We are seeing some teams unleashing their D to some effect but a constant flow would be awesome. Everyone and I mean Everyone has to be able to skate. Sorry Gallagher.

 

[Goldthorpe]

Too many Reinbacher's highlights reels on youtube focus on his offensive zone (because let's face it, passes and goals are what people want to see), but it's paradoxically the least developed aspect of his game. I saw a video scouting report of him that focused way more on his defensive play, and that's where you can really see his skillset shine.

 

[Habs]

this thread is going to be amazing in 3 years. Either us haters are going to be totally wrong and eating crow, or the opposite. Should be fun

 

[KevSkillz4]

Too many Reinbacher's highlights reels on youtube focus on his offensive zone (because let's face it, passes and goals are what people want to see), but it's paradoxically the least developed aspect of his game. I saw a video scouting report of him that focused way more on his defensive play, and that's where you can really see his skillset shine.

I think he have the same style of Seider at defensive zone with his long stick. Seider is more physical, but at defensive, they are very similar. The question will be the offensive, but Reinbacher have certainly potential to put great numbers.

 

[Runner77]

this thread is going to be amazing in 3 years. Either us haters are going to be totally wrong and eating crow, or the opposite. Should be fun

Only this thread?

 

[KevSkillz4]

this thread is going to be amazing in 3 years. Either us haters are going to be totally wrong and eating crow, or the opposite. Should be fun

All threads.

 

[Rapala]

At this point no one knows, but hopefully it's back in Switzerland, so the Habs don't force him to play in the NHL right away.

For me the arguments presented so far weigh very heavily in favor of one more year in Switzerland. The only reason people suggest Laval is they believe we can control his TOI and situational reps. The kid wants to play in Switzerland to work on a number of things before coming to NA. The glut of quality defenders in our system dictates where we can place him without losing an asset or without having to make a premature trade. The sliding ELC is GOLD. EHC Kloten has one of the best youth systems in Switzerland. His top line status is already ensured and his PP opportunities will come. Why would we take a kid out of his comfort zone when he is obviously still in a position of ascendancy.

 

[waffledave]

Yes I watched your video, I'm not sure what you're trying to show here? Some teams have scouts in Russia. I said it's hard to get money into Russia and that we had to close our Russian offices. We had dozens of employees, we had rent to pay, utilities, lots of overhead. We couldn't get money over there so we were forced to close that office. I'm honestly confused at what you're trying to accomplish by spamming this video over and over.

 

[Rapala]

Only this thread?

There are a number of threads knotted together starting with the Hockey Ops, the individual player threads, and more are sure to come as we complete the blood transfusion. I've always thought Marty's contract year will be when the clamps start getting tightened on the freewheeling atmosphere in the room.
The long knives are already out to some extent and some people have totally lost patience while we haven't even started camp #2 under this group.

 

[BLONG7]

Such is the prevailing power of the consensus. To the average fan its almost a cult like presence: all knowing and never wrong. Michov is a generational talent. No mere mortal should question it.

I haven't seen this kid play, as most on here, but what little video was available, he has looked good, but not worth the crazy fuss we are dealing with now.....

What am I missing? Throw in ALL the awful chatter about the kids behavior around his team and others, and no wonder 6 teams passed on him....

 

[JT3]

For me the arguments presented so far weigh very heavily in favor of one more year in Switzerland. The only reason people suggest Laval is they believe we can control his TOI and situational reps. The kid wants to play in Switzerland to work on a number of things before coming to NA. The glut of quality defenders in our system dictates where we can place him without losing an asset or without having to make a premature trade. The sliding ELC is GOLD. EHC Kloten has one of the best youth systems in Switzerland. His top line status is already ensured and his PP opportunities will come. Why would we take a kid out of his comfort zone when he is obviously still in a position of ascendancy.

I originally thought it best to bring him over to the AHL so the development team can have him directly under their thumb and the org can monitor his minutes/situational play. But you make a good point about the depth we have in Laval right now, there's only so many minutes to go around and we already have guys like Mailloux, Struble, Trudeau among others who all need time. Either option is a good one I think but maybe Kloten makes the most sense.

 

[Habs]

All threads.

mostly our first round pick threads have the most emotion.

 

[Runner77]

mostly our first round pick threads have the most emotion.

Goes hand in hand with our high failure rate in first rounders.

Must be nice to have a Martin Madden to help arrive at final decisions. Was anyone surprised to see them go for Carlsson over Fantilli?

Likewise, I wonder how Madden may have impacted the outcome of the Habs’ first round selection. Hopefully we got this one right.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

I'm not sure if has gone worst over the years. I think it has always been a bit like this.

Personally, I'm fine with people bitching and moaning about decisions they don't like. What becomes toxic though is how this tend to stain all other discussions, and I can already see the signs popping out.

People talk about the prospect depth? Well, our prospect depth sucks, because we are missing an offensive player, which we could have with Michkov.

People try to predict how the team will be in a few years? Well, clearly we'll be lacking scoring, it's the biggest, most important, unfixable issue. If only we had drafted Michkov.

The habs traded for Newhook? That was a stupid move, he's far from being as good as Michkov. The people who made this trade are dumb, because they are the same people who didn't draft Michkov - the obvious BPA - so we already know they are dumb, so any move they make will also be.

Brovov says that all scouts were fine with Reinbacher? That can't just be a boilerplate statement made to media, simplyfing months of internal discussions on the matter, no, it's suspect. It's concerning. This just confirmed they are incompetent, or yes-men - something we already knew because they didn't draft Michkov.

People will read the above and say I exaggerate but I'm not. This is exactly how some people on this board think.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion which should be expressed with respect and replied to with an equal level of respect. The 2023 NHL draft was not a pivotal moment in history. Some teams will have advanced their fortunes substantially and others less so.

My problem with your post is your assertion that Michkov was the obvious BPA and to not draft him made the team management dumb. I must be dumb because I wouldn’t have drafted him either. I don’t think I’m dumb, but we shall see in three or four years whether your strident assessment of dumbness is correct or was was ‘dumb ‘ in itself.

 

[Goldthorpe]

My problem with your post is your assertion that Michkov was the obvious BPA and to not draft him made the team management dumb. I must be dumb because I wouldn’t have drafted him either. I don’t think I’m dumb, but we shall see in three or four years whether your strident assessment of dumbness is correct or was was ‘dumb ‘ in itself.

I think you just misunderstood my heavy handed sarcasm, or my attempt to imitate some of the arguments discussed in the last few weeks.

 

[JoelWarlord]

this thread is going to be amazing in 3 years. Either us haters are going to be totally wrong and eating crow, or the opposite. Should be fun

Oh I think you're too optimistic. It's going to be close enough that everyone will be right and nobody will wrong so we'll be arguing about this for ages. Michkov will become a very good but not a franchise/generational player (at eg. the Nylander level), so the Michkov crowd will still be able to say that he'd be a top 2-3 forward for us and that we needed that more than another dman. Meanwhile, his detractors will say we didn't need two smallish defensive liabilities in the top 6 if he's not a true franchise talent.

Reinbacher will become a very good but not Norris/elite level top pair D that forms a great first pairing with Guhle or Hutson, so the Reinbacher fans will be happy with that outcome and value it over a 1st line but non-elite winger with defensive flaws. However, he won't play on our PP1 much over Hutson so his detractors will be able to point to ~40pt totals and progression from Hutson, Guhle, Barron, Engstrom, etc. to say we needed the dynamic forward over a guy who isn't a truly elite franchise D.

Personally, I'm fine with people bitching and moaning about decisions they don't like. What becomes toxic though is how this tend to stain all other discussions, and I can already see the signs popping out.

Yeah this is what's been tiring for me. Every thread just becomes the Michkov thread because one singular pick is a rallying cry for like 10 separate grievances different groups of fans have and it's all contextualized within 30 years of fan baggage even if those grievances are mutually exclusive.

Brovov says that all scouts were fine with Reinbacher? That can't just be a boilerplate statement made to media, simplyfing months of internal discussions on the matter, no, it's suspect. It's concerning. This just confirmed they are incompetent, or yes-men - something we already knew because they didn't draft Michkov.

This whole situation has been the funniest mountain out of a molehill thing to me. They made a completely generic comment about Reinbacher being their guy and it got spun into this whole huge thing when it's obviously just a generic platitude. Other teams have said the exact same kinds of things.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

I think you just misunderstood my heavy handed sarcasm, or my attempt to imitate some of the arguments discussed in the last few weeks.

If your missive was an exercise in sarcasm then I respectfully withdraw my comments. Maybe I am dumb afterall.

 

[montreal]

this thread is going to be amazing in 3 years. Either us haters are going to be totally wrong and eating crow, or the opposite. Should be fun

I wouldn't be surprised if it's more closer then some think, that Michkov won't be that 100 pt player that some were touting and that Reinbacher as say a better Guhle could be huge for this blueline (if we have several that can put the puck in the net or set up the PP) but of course we'll see as who knows what will happen. The Habs went safe so since he's very likely to be a full time NHLer in a couple years (I hope not sooner) unless Mickhov ends up a much better Caufield the debate will be tougher if Reinbacher can develop his offensive game into something in the 50+ pt range.

I don't have a clue if that is even possible or not, but after watching another game last night I am really impressed with the tools but still totally unsure of the offensive upside just yet. He certainly looks like he could end being a beast, someone that does just about everything well to really well but maybe nothing great, as to me at least it's very hard to project as I can't say I know that league very well at all (I watched a few games of Hudon's but since we rarely ever have a prospect there I just don't watch their games so it will take a little longer to get a feel for his game but I'm enjoying watching his games a lot more then I thought I would.

 

[Habs]

I wouldn't be surprised if it's more closer then some think, that Michkov won't be that 100 pt player that some were touting and that Reinbacher as say a better Guhle could be huge for this blueline (if we have several that can put the puck in the net or set up the PP) but of course we'll see as who knows what will happen. The Habs went safe so since he's very likely to be a full time NHLer in a couple years (I hope not sooner) unless Mickhov ends up a much better Caufield the debate will be tougher if Reinbacher can develop his offensive game into something in the 50+ pt range.

I don't have a clue if that is even possible or not, but after watching another game last night I am really impressed with the tools but still totally unsure of the offensive upside just yet. He certainly looks like he could end being a beast, someone that does just about everything well to really well but maybe nothing great, as to me at least it's very hard to project as I can't say I know that league very well at all (I watched a few games of Hudon's but since we rarely ever have a prospect there I just don't watch their games so it will take a little longer to get a feel for his game but I'm enjoying watching his games a lot more then I thought I would.

If we drafted another Peter Popovich I'm hanging up the username forever