Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[ChesterNimitz]

I wouldn't be surprised if it's more closer then some think, that Michkov won't be that 100 pt player that some were touting and that Reinbacher as say a better Guhle could be huge for this blueline (if we have several that can put the puck in the net or set up the PP) but of course we'll see as who knows what will happen. The Habs went safe so since he's very likely to be a full time NHLer in a couple years (I hope not sooner) unless Mickhov ends up a much better Caufield the debate will be tougher if Reinbacher can develop his offensive game into something in the 50+ pt range.

I don't have a clue if that is even possible or not, but after watching another game last night I am really impressed with the tools but still totally unsure of the offensive upside just yet. He certainly looks like he could end being a beast, someone that does just about everything well to really well but maybe nothing great, as to me at least it's very hard to project as I can't say I know that league very well at all (I watched a few games of Hudon's but since we rarely ever have a prospect there I just don't watch their games so it will take a little longer to get a feel for his game but I'm enjoying watching his games a lot more then I thought I would.

His lack of elite skating will probably preclude Reinbacher from ever attaining ‘greatness.’ But this kid easily passes the eye test. Excellent pick.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

If we drafted another Peter Popovich I'm hanging up the username forever

He might be closer to Eric Desjardins in the end

 

[ReHabs]

I don't think Michkov in and of himself is the problem... He's just the most recent symptom of the disease, which is our organizational philosophy. I think that's what most people are concerned about.

Anybody refusing to acknowledge this is simply avoiding the argument because they don’t want to face the facts or they are in total denial of what is the actual perceived problem.

It’s the conservative, cautious, arrogant philosophy of the Montreal Canadiens that’s the perceived problem.

Maybe the Habs are changed. Maybe not. The Reinbacher pick and the inexplicable rushing of Slafkovsky does not give support to the Habs Are Changed narrative.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

He might be closer to Eric Desjardins in the end

It’s hard to believe that Savard traded Desjardins and Leclair for Recchi. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

If your missive was an exercise in sarcasm then I respectfully withdraw my comments. Maybe I am dumb afterall.

He masters the sarcasm very well because I was really beleiving it came from his deep stomach.
I'm dumb no2.

 

[Habs]

He might be closer to Eric Desjardins in the end

So he ends up in Philly along with a young power forward, and we get another smurf? Can't wait.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

So he ends up in Philly along with a young power forward, and we get another smurf? Can't wait.

Reinbacher and Slaf for Michkov?

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

So he ends up in Philly along with a young power forward, and we get another smurf? Can't wait.

Well, without that part, hopefully !

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

It’s hard to believe that Savard traded Desjardins and Leclair for Recchi. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

It was a calculated risk in order to add an established top 6 forward, by itself it wasnt terrible on paper, it's all the other moves that ended up costing us. You win some and you lose some I guess.

 

[26Mats]

It was a calculated risk in order to add an established top 6 forward. You win some and you lose some I guess.

Turgeon and Malakhov for Muller and Schneider was a good trade.

Too bad Houle and Tremblay didn't know how to handle star talent, and Turgeon and Roy soon were asking for trades.

Serge was a great GM. 2 cups. It would have been interesting to see what he would have done had he been allowed to continue.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

His lack of elite skating will probably preclude Reinbacher from ever attaining ‘greatness.’ But this kid easily passes the eye test. Excellent pick.

I think he’s damn close to elite though. I think there are things he can work on mechanically that could get him there. I’m not great at all in the finer details of skating mechanics mind you. He’s very mobile though.

I’ve wondered aloud before the pick that Guhle could have the higher upside of the two. Guhle was less refined and more raw than Reinbacher but he did kind of pop more. Which COULD make one think that Guhle has more room to grow.

Still it’s really hard to discount what Reinbacher’s done at such a young age. And it’s not like he’s a finished product. Still plenty of room to grow. Plus playing against men at such a young age adds another wild card variable or two in the mix. Is he playing more restrained, etc.

My gut tells me there isn’t ‘greatness’ in store but I wouldn’t quite rule it out just yet. I’d say he doesn’t quite pop enough but he could be damn close.

All I know is having both these kids back there is extremely exciting and woe is us that they just happen to play on either side lol.

 

[Jaynki]

There are a number of threads knotted together starting with the Hockey Ops, the individual player threads, and more are sure to come as we complete the blood transfusion. I've always thought Marty's contract year will be when the clamps start getting tightened on the freewheeling atmosphere in the room.
The long knives are already out to some extent and some people have totally lost patience while we haven't even started camp #2 under this group.

Discourse like : Pretty good at contract negotiation although the drafting is suboptimal.

At some point, we all pictured KK and Galchenyuk as our future 1C, and we had valid reasons to do so.

A little bit of patience and wait & see would go a long way. There is a lot of variance in that game.

 

[ZUKI]

I'm not sure if has gone worst over the years. I think it has always been a bit like this.

Personally, I'm fine with people bitching and moaning about decisions they don't like. What becomes toxic though is how this tend to stain all other discussions, and I can already see the signs popping out.

People talk about the prospect depth? Well, our prospect depth sucks, because we are missing an offensive player, which we could have with Michkov.

People try to predict how the team will be in a few years? Well, clearly we'll be lacking scoring, it's the biggest, most important, unfixable issue. If only we had drafted Michkov.

The habs traded for Newhook? That was a stupid move, he's far from being as good as Michkov. The people who made this trade are dumb, because they are the same people who didn't draft Michkov - the obvious BPA - so we already know they are dumb, so any move they make will also be.

Brovov says that all scouts were fine with Reinbacher? That can't just be a boilerplate statement made to media, simplyfing months of internal discussions on the matter, no, it's suspect. It's concerning. This just confirmed they are incompetent, or yes-men - something we already knew because they didn't draft Michkov.

People will read the above and say I exaggerate but I'm not. This is exactly how some people on this board think.

so true. Syndrome of Habs drama queens.
rules being
no grays, only black or white
blame someone frequently and in different threads player/manager/coach and Bergevin mostly
Attack those who don’t share your opinion
use the i am/we/Habs are done
use the ultimate replica “ if his name was Smith, we wouldn’t talk about him “ Smith being here an exemplar that could be different

 

[ZUKI]

Yes, he will complete the line of Slaf - Dvorsky - Mesar as the north winger.

cool, now i am confident we are about to become the new nhl dynasty

 

[Scriptor]

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The Montreal Canadiens are in the process of building one of the league's best defensive group due to their smart drafting.

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This article pretty much summarizes my thoughts, except that I see Xhekaj - Engstrom as a better eventual third pairing.

Matheson, Harris and Barron will get to raise their trade value while the other, younger Ds mature some more before joining the NHL roster.

 

[Jaynki]

Anybody refusing to acknowledge this is simply avoiding the argument because they don’t want to face the facts or they are in total denial of what is the actual perceived problem.

It’s the conservative, cautious, arrogant philosophy of the Montreal Canadiens that’s the perceived problem.

Maybe the Habs are changed. Maybe not. The Reinbacher pick and the inexplicable rushing of Slafkovsky does not give support to the Habs Are Changed narrative.

What you are implying was the case with the Bergevin era, i 100% agree. I am not sure tho it is the case right now.

Moves like Subban VS Weber, for example, speaks very loud about the characteristics you used to describe the franchise. I don't think skipping Michkov is a move that speak the same volume, if at all.

This management team openly want an offensive, puck possesion team that plays with pace. They want a culture of effort and accountability, but also a culture where players are free to express themselves, be creative and not be afraid of mistake. I don't think Subban would have been a problem for them. Do you agree?

So while skipping Michkov, in an individual move, is counter-intuitive to that, i still think the organisation philosophy has changed and i think there is enough evidence to justify it. We will see. Again, the jury is still out and it's too early.

 

[ZUKI]

Yes Hughes spent better part of last 25-years as player agent but let’s not forget he ran summer hockey schools for the better part of last 30-years and coached minor elite programs full time which is why he knows the 2005/2006 birth year players from New England so intimately well + understanding this generation of players mindset / how to get through to them…

I don’t know of another agent who’s been as involved in tactical aspects of the game…

Hughes & MSL are unicorns in the hockey world

I’m waiting with abated breath till Hutson is NHL ready, I fully expect “position-less hockey concept” to kick into high gear. Will be interesting to see effectivity & leagues counter reaction

I think that it’s how he met Martin Saint-Louis in a midget league game. They both agreed that the kids should have more freedom and more fun playing.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

It was a calculated risk in order to add an established top 6 forward, by itself it wasnt terrible on paper, it's all the other moves that ended up costing us. You win some and you lose some I guess.

Some calculated risks are riskier than others. The Recchi trade was ill conceived from the get go. We traded our best young defenceman and power forward from the 1993 Stanley Cup winning team (who were both just entering their prime) for a smallish, skilled forward who was already well into his prime. It was a trade that transformed the Flyers into a contender and robbed us of two of our best young rising stars. Its interesting to note that before the trade, the Flyers rarely beat us. After the trade, we didn’t beat the Flyers for almost a decade. That wasn’t a calculated trade. It was a horribly mis-calculated one.

 

[Scriptor]

Some calculated risks are riskier than others. The Recchi trade was ill conceived from the get go. We traded our best young defenceman and power forward from the 1993 Stanley Cup winning team (who were both just entering their prime) for a smallish, skilled forward who was already well into his prime. It was a trade that transformed the Flyers into a contender and robbed us of two of our best young rising stars. Its interesting to note that before the trade, the Flyers rarely beat us. After the trade, we didn’t beat the Flyers for almost a decade. That wasn’t a calculated trade. It was a horribly mis-calculated one.

I think we have 20/20 hindsight vision regarding this trade. Montreal had allegedly wanted to trade Brisebois with Leclair for Recchi, but the ask stayed firm at Desjardins.

That should have been the end of that trade, but everyone, today, allegedly predicting, at the time of the trade, that Leclair would turn out the way he did is a fibbing liar.

Leclair wasn't a useless plug, by any means, but, as a Hab, he was still growing into his body and was tripping over the blue line on breakaways, nothing remotely indicative of a dominant power forward.

I understood Leclair for Recchi, but I felt that losing Desjardins was the greatest loss for the Habs.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

Some calculated risks are riskier than others. The Recchi trade was ill conceived from the get go. We traded our best young defenceman and power forward from the 1993 Stanley Cup winning team (who were both just entering their prime) for a smallish, skilled forward who was already well into his prime. It was a trade that transformed the Flyers into a contender and robbed us of two of our best young rising stars. Its interesting to note that before the trade, the Flyers rarely beat us. After the trade, we didn’t beat the Flyers for almost a decade. That wasn’t a calculated trade. It was a horribly mis-calculated one.

I don't like the trade, I'm just saying you could make an argument for it at the time. It obviously didnt turn out too well in the long run. But for what it's worth, I've always been of the belief that the Habs we're still a potentially good team at the beginning of 95, the ship could still have been set right then. By 96 though the shit had hit the fan for good.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

I think we have 20/20 hindsight vision regarding this trade. Montreal had allegedly wanted to trade Brisebois with Leclair for Recchi, but the ask stayed firm at Desjardins.

That should have been the end of that trade, but everyone, today, allegedly predicting, at the time of the trade, that Leclair would turn out the way he did is a fibbing liar.

Leclair wasn't a useless plug, by any means, but, as a Hab, he was still growing into his body and was tripping over the blue line on breakaways, nothing remotely indicative of a dominant power forward.

I understood Leclair for Recchi, but I felt that losing Desjardins was the greatest loss for the Habs.

No hindsight is needed on that trade. It was malodorous to some of us when it was first announced. Frankly, I wouldn’t have traded either Leclair or Desjardins even up for Recchi. Anyone with a modicum of insight could see their potential. Both played a pivotal role in beating the Kings in the finals. Leclair, in particular, was a force as he used his size, strength and speed to dominate the kings. To trade away a player that possessed that rare combination of skills and physical prowess was the height of foolishness. To throw in Desjardins, was an act of negligence. I remember a game late in that regular season when Montreal played the Flyers and Leclair physically challenged Lindros behind the Flyers net. Usually, Lindros overpowered other players. Generally with ease. But Leclair stood his ground and gave as good as he took. It surprised Lindros. Obviously the Flyers took note. And after Leclair’s playoff performance they probably couldn’t believe Montreal would be foolish enough to trade such a player.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Yes I watched your video, I'm not sure what you're trying to show here? Some teams have scouts in Russia. I said it's hard to get money into Russia and that we had to close our Russian offices. We had dozens of employees, we had rent to pay, utilities, lots of overhead. We couldn't get money over there so we were forced to close that office. I'm honestly confused at what you're trying to accomplish by spamming this video over and over.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Anybody refusing to acknowledge this is simply avoiding the argument because they don’t want to face the facts or they are in total denial of what is the actual perceived problem.

It’s the conservative, cautious, arrogant philosophy of the Montreal Canadiens that’s the perceived problem.

Maybe the Habs are changed. Maybe not. The Reinbacher pick and the inexplicable rushing of Slafkovsky does not give support to the Habs Are Changed narrative.

Yes indeed.

I might add the need to focus on defense and present a boring product.

 

[CHwest]

Some calculated risks are riskier than others. The Recchi trade was ill conceived from the get go. We traded our best young defenceman and power forward from the 1993 Stanley Cup winning team (who were both just entering their prime) for a smallish, skilled forward who was already well into his prime. It was a trade that transformed the Flyers into a contender and robbed us of two of our best young rising stars. Its interesting to note that before the trade, the Flyers rarely beat us. After the trade, we didn’t beat the Flyers for almost a decade. That wasn’t a calculated trade. It was a horribly mis-calculated one.

When you have the chance to procure a physician in a trade, you just ask how much?

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

His lack of elite skating will probably preclude Reinbacher from ever attaining ‘greatness.’ But this kid easily passes the eye test. Excellent pick.

Reinbacher is an excellent skater and will be on par with most Norris trophy winners and clearly faster or on par with than Subban, Fox, Giordano, Hedman and Burns and Josi who have all won the Norris in the last decade.

The factor that will determine whether he reaches "greatness" likely will be how offensively dynamic he will become. He didn't demonstrate much dynamic offensive ability this season which is why I wasn't pushing for us to select him at 5 OA but he was a kid in a men's pro league and was still offensively proficient due to his ability to cause turnovers and transport the puck quickly to his forwards via his mobility and quick, accurate passing. Of the Dmen that I just listed none other than Hedman were expected to ever have a shot at a Norris at the time that they were drafted. Reinbacher will very likely improve his skating even further as he is already fast for a gangly kid but when he fills out and adds more core strength and stability he will easily be among the better skating defenders in the NHL.

If you are asserting that he will never skate like Makar, Karlsson, Niedermayer, Coffey etc then we are in agreement but most Norris trophy winners/finalists don't skate like them either and the inability to do so does not on it's own preclude any defender from reaching "greatness".