Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[ChesterNimitz]

This argument would be a lot more impactful if the Habs were the ones the selected Cooley...

Fans are wrong all the time. Who cares. I care if the Habs are any good at drafting high picks.

Being wrong all the time is not restricted to hockey fans. Think New Coke and taking a submersible made with scotch tape to visit the Titanic.

 

[Captain97]

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I'm not super deep into politics, but I don't think it's illegal to hire a contractor in Russia atm? Lots of platforms let you hire people there I believe, so I don't think hiring there is an issue.

Do no teams have Russian scouts right now? I find that hard to believe.



Thank God you're not insulting me. I don't think I'd ever survive.

Anyway, to respond to what you're saying, I'm aware this is their internal logic, and I think it's a combination of being a limp dicked organization with no balls and continuing the same stupid, idiotic, brain-dead, loser mentality that they've had for 30 years that has led to failure.

You draft talent. You do not draft for character and culture. It's the same dumb shit we keep doing over and over and over and some fans just gobble it up. It's fine if you're ok with mediocrity forever, but I want excellence.

As to your other points, our prospects are stacked on D, but our forward prospects are nothing to write home about. As Montreal Canadiens fans, we always overvalue our talent and this is no exception.

I like Dach, and he might be a fine center, but he's never been a top point producer anywhere in his life. Will that suddenly change?

What use is Newhook? Even if he hits his ceiling of 60-70 point top 6er, that's basically our 30 year prototype for a top 5 Habs forward: Undersized and mediocre.

So what's our top 6? It's weak, and it's not going to win you a cup.

This is looking like a wasted rebuild. You know who we look like? The Detroit Red Wings. Except our Seider and Larkin aren't as good, and we have a similar lack of talent up front. And it's not going to get us anywhere other than back to being a bubble team that loses in the first round. Have fun with that.

Um so I'm just gonna focus on the SWIFT issue.


Without swift wires can't be sent through the banks and systems like Apple pay and the Android equivalent have been suspended in Russsia as well.

This isn't some simple task

 

[BLONG7]

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I'm not super deep into politics, but I don't think it's illegal to hire a contractor in Russia atm? Lots of platforms let you hire people there I believe, so I don't think hiring there is an issue.

Do no teams have Russian scouts right now? I find that hard to believe.



Thank God you're not insulting me. I don't think I'd ever survive.

Anyway, to respond to what you're saying, I'm aware this is their internal logic, and I think it's a combination of being a limp dicked organization with no balls and continuing the same stupid, idiotic, brain-dead, loser mentality that they've had for 30 years that has led to failure.

You draft talent. You do not draft for character and culture. It's the same dumb shit we keep doing over and over and over and some fans just gobble it up. It's fine if you're ok with mediocrity forever, but I want excellence.

As to your other points, our prospects are stacked on D, but our forward prospects are nothing to write home about. As Montreal Canadiens fans, we always overvalue our talent and this is no exception.

I like Dach, and he might be a fine center, but he's never been a top point producer anywhere in his life. Will that suddenly change?

What use is Newhook? Even if he hits his ceiling of 60-70 point top 6er, that's basically our 30 year prototype for a top 5 Habs forward: Undersized and mediocre.

So what's our top 6? It's weak, and it's not going to win you a cup.

This is looking like a wasted rebuild. You know who we look like? The Detroit Red Wings. Except our Seider and Larkin aren't as good, and we have a similar lack of talent up front. And it's not going to get us anywhere other than back to being a bubble team that loses in the first round. Have fun with that.

You keep saying the same thing over and over we get it, you don't like the direction.............that being said we are 18 months in to the rebuild, let these guys do their thing, and maybe they will prove everyone wrong?

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Iets say Reinbacher is an amazing learner, and he learns from Hutson and MSL to become a offensive dynamo while being amazing on the defensive side of things . Would just be hilarious to watch every hab fan change their perspective and act like they wanted this pick lol.

I would be shocked.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

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I'm not super deep into politics, but I don't think it's illegal to hire a contractor in Russia atm? Lots of platforms let you hire people there I believe, so I don't think hiring there is an issue.

Do no teams have Russian scouts right now? I find that hard to believe.



Thank God you're not insulting me. I don't think I'd ever survive.

Anyway, to respond to what you're saying, I'm aware this is their internal logic, and I think it's a combination of being a limp dicked organization with no balls and continuing the same stupid, idiotic, brain-dead, loser mentality that they've had for 30 years that has led to failure.

You draft talent. You do not draft for character and culture. It's the same dumb shit we keep doing over and over and over and some fans just gobble it up. It's fine if you're ok with mediocrity forever, but I want excellence.

As to your other points, our prospects are stacked on D, but our forward prospects are nothing to write home about. As Montreal Canadiens fans, we always overvalue our talent and this is no exception.

I like Dach, and he might be a fine center, but he's never been a top point producer anywhere in his life. Will that suddenly change?

What use is Newhook? Even if he hits his ceiling of 60-70 point top 6er, that's basically our 30 year prototype for a top 5 Habs forward: Undersized and mediocre.

So what's our top 6? It's weak, and it's not going to win you a cup.

This is looking like a wasted rebuild. You know who we look like? The Detroit Red Wings. Except our Seider and Larkin aren't as good, and we have a similar lack of talent up front. And it's not going to get us anywhere other than back to being a bubble team that loses in the first round. Have fun with that.

What use is Newhook? Do you think we could have obtained better more dynamic prospects at 31 and 37? I guess the grass is always greener for some.

 

[Scriptor]

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I'm not super deep into politics, but I don't think it's illegal to hire a contractor in Russia atm? Lots of platforms let you hire people there I believe, so I don't think hiring there is an issue.

Do no teams have Russian scouts right now? I find that hard to believe.



Thank God you're not insulting me. I don't think I'd ever survive.

Anyway, to respond to what you're saying, I'm aware this is their internal logic, and I think it's a combination of being a limp dicked organization with no balls and continuing the same stupid, idiotic, brain-dead, loser mentality that they've had for 30 years that has led to failure.

You draft talent. You do not draft for character and culture. It's the same dumb shit we keep doing over and over and over and some fans just gobble it up. It's fine if you're ok with mediocrity forever, but I want excellence.

As to your other points, our prospects are stacked on D, but our forward prospects are nothing to write home about. As Montreal Canadiens fans, we always overvalue our talent and this is no exception.

I like Dach, and he might be a fine center, but he's never been a top point producer anywhere in his life. Will that suddenly change?

What use is Newhook? Even if he hits his ceiling of 60-70 point top 6er, that's basically our 30 year prototype for a top 5 Habs forward: Undersized and mediocre.

So what's our top 6? It's weak, and it's not going to win you a cup.

This is looking like a wasted rebuild. You know who we look like? The Detroit Red Wings. Except our Seider and Larkin aren't as good, and we have a similar lack of talent up front. And it's not going to get us anywhere other than back to being a bubble team that loses in the first round. Have fun with that.

Excellence goes beyond just skills. Better off with a Crosby with solid character than another Uber-talented player who doesn't play for the team. Ovechkin was never winning unless he became a team player like he did for an entire season, the one where WASH won the Cup.

All you are presenting is a belief that the one-dimensional, smallish Michkov, who has no care in the world for defensive play, is the ultimate cat's meow, right or wrong and, worse, that anyone who doesn't agree with you only seeks mediocrity.

What a piss ant narrative, really.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

You keep saying the same thing over and over we get it, you don't like the direction.............that being said we are 18 months in to the rebuild, let these guys do their thing, and maybe they will prove everyone wrong?

Well, people keep replying to me with the same bullshit. "Wait and see...." "Patience..." "ThE CuLtUrE"

Well, I have two replies to that.
-They don't seem to be patient on their end. They seem to want to rush things so as to sell Molson some Playoff tickets and beers.
-We've been told to be patient with their shitty moves for 30 years. This hasn't changed. No one would actually be saying that we should "be patient" if the moves actually looked good.

If someone comes at me with an interesting argument from a different angle, I'll surely have a different response. Promise.

Um so I'm just gonna focus on the SWIFT issue.


Without swift wires can't be sent through the banks and systems like Apple pay and the Android equivalent have been suspended in Russsia as well.

This isn't some simple task

Again I'll ask. Does that mean NO NHL TEAMS currently have Russian scouts? Or are they finding a way? Isn't Andrei Nikolishin a scout for the Caps in Russia?

Losers make excuses. Winners get shit done.

What use is Newhook? Do you think we could have obtained better more dynamic prospects at 31 and 37? I guess the grass is always greener for some.

I just don't think he fits in our top six as its currently composed. He's the prototypical Montreal Canadiens forward from the last 30 years. 5'11", 60-70 points, doesn't bring much else. (and this is at the high end, we don't even know if he'll get there). Newhook would be an ok complimentary piece if we already had talent. As it stands, he's just going to take up a spot in a middling top 6.

I would have used those two picks to trade up (for a Musty type) or trade for something else. If we didn't want Michkov, we could have traded the 5th down as well to get multiple pieces in a very good draft. Instead, they did the dumbest stuff possible.

Excellence goes beyond just skills. Better off with a Crosby with solid character than another Uber-talented player who doesn't play for the team. Ovechkin was never winning unless he became a team player like he did for an entire season, the one where WASH won the Cup.

All you are presenting is a belief that the one-dimensional, smallish Michkov, who has no care in the world for defensive play, is the ultimate cat's meow, right or wrong and, worse, that anyone who doesn't agree with you only seeks mediocrity.

What a piss ant narrative, really.

CROSBY? Your example is CROSBY? The most talented player of his generation? GTF out of here dude The problem is that we don't have a f***ing Crosby. Our talent is mid and will continue to remain mid.

Can you also give us the winning Powerball numbers for this coming Saturday's drawing when get a chance?

Wait, I've got something for this.

Am I doing this right?

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Your position on Newhook is noted. No one has a Crystal ball as to a player’s ultimate ceiling. I don’t think the price we paid was unconscionable. Newhook fits into the scheme that the team’s management is trying to build: speed. In that regard, Newhook is a perfect fit. Now we have to hope the other parts of his game develop accordingly. It was certainly a decision governed by the principles of calculated risk.

 

[OnTheRun]

Again I'll ask. Does that mean NO NHL TEAMS currently have Russian scouts? Or are they finding a way? Isn't Andrei Nikolishin a scout for the Caps in Russia?

Losers make excuses. Winners get shit done.

Doesn't matter if you have a scout in Russia or not, the regional scout isn't deciding who you pick at 5. It's a few level above his pay grade.

Head scout and above is what matter here. And they didn't go to Russia for semi obvious reasons.

I just don't think he fits in our top six as its currently composed. He's the prototypical Montreal Canadiens forward from the last 30 years. 5'11", 60-70 points, doesn't bring much else. (and this is at the high end, we don't even know if he'll get there). Newhook would be an ok complimentary piece if we already had talent. As it stands, he's just going to take up a spot in a middling top 6.

I would have used those two picks to trade up (for a Musty type) or trade for something else. If we didn't want Michkov, we could have traded the 5th down as well to get multiple pieces in a very good draft. Instead, they did the dumbest stuff possible.

Well, they wanted Reinbacher, not multiple pieces.
It's not like they didn't know they could trade the pick for something else, it's a conscious choice to use that pick to get the guy they wanted.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Doesn't matter if you have a scout in Russia or not, the regional scout isn't deciding who you pick at 5. It's a few level above his pay grade.

Head scout and above is what matter here. And they didn't go to Russia for semi obvious reasons.

Ah, I see. Goalposts = Moved.

Well, they wanted Reinbacher, not multiple pieces.
It's not like they didn't know they could trade the pick for something else, it's a conscious choice to use that pick to get the guy they wanted.

Yes, I'm aware they're losers. You don't have to keep reminding me.

 

[nhlfan9191]

Excellence goes beyond just skills. Better off with a Crosby with solid character than another Uber-talented player who doesn't play for the team. Ovechkin was never winning unless he became a team player like he did for an entire season, the one where WASH won the Cup.

All you are presenting is a belief that the one-dimensional, smallish Michkov, who has no care in the world for defensive play, is the ultimate cat's meow, right or wrong and, worse, that anyone who doesn't agree with you only seeks mediocrity.

What a piss ant narrative, really.

You say we’re better off with a Crosby with a ton of character above all else yet you were all out for a snowflake like Pierre Luc Dubois to be apart of this team. Make it make sense.

 

[OnTheRun]

Ah, I see. Goalposts = Moved.



Yes, I'm aware they're losers. You don't have to keep reminding me.

Well you were oblivious to what the goalposts look like, so not sure how you can tell if it moved or not.

I'll repeat just to be crystal on this, regional scout don't call the shot on a pick that high in the draft. No ifs, no buts.

 

[SlafySZN]

He doesn't need to learn anything from Hutson his game is completely different. Even in the short development camp it was easy to see Reinbacher knows how to exploit open ice. That will be his game. Steady defender smart outlets exploit open ice. This will give him Ghule like production almost immediately.
Where it goes after that is anyone's guess.

Every player could learn something from another.

 

[SlafySZN]

Watched it with no audio.

He's so smart for his age. Still needs to work on some things, including some parts of his skating, but there's a lot of potential. I still think he has the IQ to get points on offense.

Oh he will, he does a lot of things that end in points. Similar to Guhle but on another level.

He’s just not a flashy offensive dman who dangle through players.

 

[rve24]

Last page not much Reinbacher chat lol.
But know I know Newhook is small and nay or may not be a good trade ( I think it was worth it and didn't set rebuild back)

Seems like a good potential pick with this D and the team is accumulating assets n depth to mange at a later date.

( just like Romanov being exoendable and was good asset management. Unnecessary, redundant, position of strength for a position of weakness and potential and for all the size people.....good size)

 

[SlafySZN]

Well, people keep replying to me with the same bullshit. "Wait and see...." "Patience..." "ThE CuLtUrE"

Well, I have two replies to that.
-They don't seem to be patient on their end. They seem to want to rush things so as to sell Molson some Playoff tickets and beers.

how are they not patient?

 

[Scriptor]

You say we’re better off with a Crosby with a ton of character above all else yet you were all out for a snowflake like Pierre Luc Dubois to be apart of this team. Make it make sense.

I was responding to a comment that basically said, "Talent ahead of everything. It doesn't matter if the character is there or not."

I compared Crosby to Ovechkin and showed how not having the right character prevented Ovechkin from winning a Cup. The year Pvie decided to apply the principles laid out by his coach, he won the Cup.

As talented as Michkov is, if he remains a one-dimensional player and doesn't prove to be a team player, his skill won't matter much, other than providing some highlight goals against weaker opposition when it doesn't really matter.

Insults like 'snowflake' amount to little in the conversation.

I actually believe that Dubois has character because of how he sacrifices himself in front of the net when we are in the O-zone.

Where’s the quick learner tab from? Or is that a deduction based on quickly he evolved in the last year? Regardless, being coachable and smart is a non-negligible combo.

It was mentioned by his coaching staff who are said to have gradually given him different challenges throughout the year, with him adapting quickly to them and rising to the occasion in the process.

Basically, quick learner because of steady and rapid progression throughout the year.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Well you were oblivious to what the goalposts look like, so not sure how you can tell if it moved or not.

I'll repeat just to be crystal on this, regional scout don't call the shot on a pick that high in the draft. No ifs, no buts.

I'll try to type a little more slowly for people that struggle with reading comprehension.

Initially, your argument was that it was impossible to hire scouts in Russia for political reasons. When I debunked that, your argument became "well, regional scouts aren't that important anyway." This is a textbook definition of the goalposts being moved.

how are they not patient?

They're trying to accelerate the rebuild by acquiring assets drafted a few years ago rather than drafting their own.

 

[WeThreeKings]

This argument would be a lot more impactful if the Habs were the ones that selected Cooley...

Fans are wrong all the time. Who cares. I care if the Habs are any good at drafting high picks.

The issue isn't fans being wrong.. the issue is the same fans crying all the f***ing time on 18 year old kids and then don't have the stones to own up to who they want.

It's the smallest dick energy I've ever seen to pound one's chest for months leading to the draft that Shane Wright is the pick at 1 OA and Cooley isn't in the same league, to pivot a year later when Wright isn't progressing very well and Cooley looks like the best player so far in that class, then say oh the Habs f***ed up and should have taken Cooley or Jiricek, but no mention of Wright?

If people are gonna be arrogant pricks about their own scouting ability and ruin every prospect thread or draft related thread with their bitching and moaning, then they should at least own up to their own failed attempts at scouting.

And the worst part of all of that is Wright's career isn't even over yet, they are all so young that you don't see me doing a victory lap around these parts because I was one of like 3 people here who wanted Cooley at 1.

 

[SlafySZN]

I'll try to type a little more slowly for people that struggle with reading comprehension.

Initially, your argument was that it was impossible to hire scouts in Russia for political reasons. When I debunked that, your argument became "well, regional scouts aren't that important anyway." This is a textbook definition of the goalposts being moved.



They're trying to accelerate the rebuild by acquiring assets drafted a few years ago rather than drafting their own.

That’s not really accelerating, those guys still need a few years to be fully developed.

 

[BLONG7]

Well, people keep replying to me with the same bullshit. "Wait and see...." "Patience..." "ThE CuLtUrE"

Well, I have two replies to that.
-They don't seem to be patient on their end. They seem to want to rush things so as to sell Molson some Playoff tickets and beers.
-We've been told to be patient with their shitty moves for 30 years. This hasn't changed. No one would actually be saying that we should "be patient" if the moves actually looked good.

If someone comes at me with an interesting argument from a different angle, I'll surely have a different response. Promise.



Again I'll ask. Does that mean NO NHL TEAMS currently have Russian scouts? Or are they finding a way? Isn't Andrei Nikolishin a scout for the Caps in Russia?

Losers make excuses. Winners get shit done.



I just don't think he fits in our top six as its currently composed. He's the prototypical Montreal Canadiens forward from the last 30 years. 5'11", 60-70 points, doesn't bring much else. (and this is at the high end, we don't even know if he'll get there). Newhook would be an ok complimentary piece if we already had talent. As it stands, he's just going to take up a spot in a middling top 6.

I would have used those two picks to trade up (for a Musty type) or trade for something else. If we didn't want Michkov, we could have traded the 5th down as well to get multiple pieces in a very good draft. Instead, they did the dumbest stuff possible.



CROSBY? Your example is CROSBY? The most talented player of his generation? GTF out of here dude The problem is that we don't have a f***ing Crosby. Our talent is mid and will continue to remain mid.



Wait, I've got something for this.

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Am I doing this right?

I get it you are out of patience................it is very difficult to continue to show patience.
For some reason I think these guys are doing this right..........we will in a years time make some kind of move for a talent, like Vegas did for Eichel and get our star that way....
But I do think they are not moving away from their plan yet..........they just want to see some improvement to show that their ideas on developing the kids, is working.

I have lost my patience with their PP but that's another story.....

 

[Twisted Sinister]

I get it you are out of patience................it is very difficult to continue to show patience.
For some reason I think these guys are doing this right..........we will in a years time make some kind of move for a talent, like Vegas did for Eichel and get our star that way....
But I do think they are not moving away from their plan yet..........they just want to see some improvement to show that their ideas on developing the kids, is working.

I have lost my patience with their PP but that's another story.....

The Vegas thing is an aberration. In general, the way to acquire talent is to draft it. Getting CuLtUrE and two-way D in the draft and then finding random once-in-a-lifetime chances to acquire top-end talent doesn't seem like a particularly feasible plan to me.

 

[BLONG7]

The Vegas thing is an aberration. In general, the way to acquire talent is to draft it. Getting CuLtUrE and two-way D in the draft and then finding random once-in-a-lifetime chances to acquire top-end talent doesn't seem like a particularly feasible plan to me.

Agree for the most part. We won the lottery on a year, where there was NO concensus #1
This year, we were in the mix, but needed to be in the top 4 and just missed....

Assuming you wanted Michkov? Is that what this, is really all about?

 

[NORiculous]

Already got people here who argued for months straight that Shane Wright was the only way to go and Logan Cooley couldn't sniff his jockstrap to go to praising Cooley, not ever wanting Wright and claiming it a big miss to not have selected Cooley.

Wright still could become the better player. We don’t know yet. So they could all be back.

I wanted Wright at first then Cooley, then back to Wright, etc. Have now idea who will be better but I don’t think Slafkovsky will be better offensively then either. We will see.

All you are presenting is a belief that the one-dimensional, smallish Michkov, who has no care in the world for defensive play, is the ultimate cat's meow

One of the reasons I wanted Michkov is that with a guy like him, even if the teams sucks, there will be moments of entertainment.

 

[OnTheRun]

I'll try to type a little more slowly for people that struggle with reading comprehension.

Initially, your argument was that it was impossible to hire scouts in Russia for political reasons. When I debunked that, your argument became "well, regional scouts aren't that important anyway." This is a textbook definition of the goalposts being moved.



They're trying to accelerate the rebuild by acquiring assets drafted a few years ago rather than drafting their own.

This was literally my first post on the subject, my argument didn't morph into something else. What you got was both initial and final: regional scout don't matter one bit for high profile prospects. And no one that matter saw him live this year.

If some random KHL/MHL/VHL dude emerge as a star from this draft, then we can talk about the regional scout, because his job IS to ID those random dude from the KHL/MHL/VHL.