Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[SlafySZN]

It’s a Reinbacher thread, folks.

 

[FF de Mars]

Am I crazy or are you making the case for Michkov with this post?

You cite Michkov's higher ppg statistically in their respective draft years. Then you go on to say that Ovi's record may/should have been higher than it otherwise was because young players are held back to some degree in the KHL (which I agree with) and point to what he ended up doing in the NHL soon after. Does this not also apply to Michkov as a young player in the KHL?

The KHL is the second best hockey league played by actual adults in the world. To be historically good at his age in that league that has been running for as long as it has means something. To have a better stats than a player that has destroyed the NHL means something. It's not the be all end all of course but it's a indicator amongst many that this kid is the real deal. His historic performances against his own peers is another indicator. These indicators add up and paint a story. Some have chosen to ignore that story in a attempt to cope with our management's blunder but I prefer not making excuses for Hughes.

The KHL was the second best league in the world, but a case can be made it's no longer second best; because of the international players' exile! Even before the war, the talent had started to drop off, possibly due to Russia's declining economy, bad appeal and other irregularities. On Knuckles' podcast, Wideman even stated games were occasionaly fixed! Nowadays, NHL journeyman such as Wideman don't bolster the level of competition anymore. Believe it or not, but that's the narrative!

 

[Captain97]

Arpon's pretty much a mouthpiece for the organization so all of this nonsense probably tracks with whatever limp dick mentality they had internally.

Which just goes to show what kind of incompetent losers they are. How do you not find a way to have a scout in Russia, probably the second most prominent hockey country? Just hire someone from there and then do some damned zoom calls if you can't get anyone in there FFS.

Wtf, do you know that Russia is currently under international sanction and has been cut of from SWIFT?

How would we pay someone to scout for us in Russia without violating federal law?

 

[ChesterNimitz]

The KHL was the second best league in the world, but a case can be made it's no longer second best; because of the international players' exile! Even before the war, the talent had started to drop off, possibly due to Russia's declining economy, bad appeal and other irregularities. On Knuckles' podcast, Wideman even stated games were occasionaly fixed! Nowadays, NHL journeyman such as Wideman don't bolster the level of competition anymore. Believe it or not, but that's the narrative!

Regardless of where Michkov plays, a smallish, skilled forward who lacks elite speed is going to face challenges when he comes to the NHL where every inch on the ice is clogged and intensely contested. This supposed generational talent may not be so generational. Reinbacher was a safer and much better choice at 5 OA.

 

[ZUKI]

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Yes. Bergevin couldn't help himself. Kudos to him for seeing that a big, mobile, physical defence was the way to go for playoff success. But he went too far and placed no value on skilled PMD. I remember back then that we easily could have gotten players like that. I think the Avalanche picked up Toews for 2 2nd round picks and we had two better 2nd round picks and could have gotten him, but no, Bergie wanted the D in his own image.

Come on! Tampa was the best team of the NHL and they managed to get the maximum out of the rules of the cap . So in the end they were having Kucherov and another player that didn’t count on their cap .

Habs weren’t supposed to be there but they made it because the way Bergevin built the team.
Both Price and Webber were seriously injured, so i don’t know what were your expectations, because it was an amazing run

 

[PlainGretzky]

Iets say Reinbacher is an amazing learner, and he learns from Hutson and MSL to become a offensive dynamo while being amazing on the defensive side of things . Would just be hilarious to watch every hab fan change their perspective and act like they wanted this pick lol.

 

[Kaladin]

Iets say Reinbacher is an amazing learner, and he learns from Hutson and MSL to become a offensive dynamo while being amazing on the defensive side of things . Would just be hilarious to watch every hab fan change their perspective and act like they wanted this pick lol.

It would be better for everyone to accept Reinbacher as the player he is vs. wanting him to become something he's not in order to cope better with this pick. It's unfair on the kid to place those expectations on him.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Iets say Reinbacher is an amazing learner, and he learns from Hutson and MSL to become a offensive dynamo while being amazing on the defensive side of things . Would just be hilarious to watch every hab fan change their perspective and act like they wanted this pick lol.

Already got people here who argued for months straight that Shane Wright was the only way to go and Logan Cooley couldn't sniff his jockstrap to go to praising Cooley, not ever wanting Wright and claiming it a big miss to not have selected Cooley.

 

[Schooner Guy]

Iets say Reinbacher is an amazing learner, and he learns from Hutson and MSL to become a offensive dynamo while being amazing on the defensive side of things . Would just be hilarious to watch every hab fan change their perspective and act like they wanted this pick lol.

Most of the Slaf bashers have an axe to grind because they wanted Wright. They don't bring up Wright anymore though.

One of Reinbacher's strengths is that he's apparently an extremely quick learner. Hopefully his progress continues at a high rate.

 

[yianik]

Come on! Tampa was the best team of the NHL and they managed to get the maximum out of the rules of the cap . So in the end they were having Kucherov and another player that didn’t count on their cap .

Habs weren’t supposed to be there but they made it because the way Bergevin built the team.
Both Price and Webber were seriously injured, so i don’t know what were your expectations, because it was an amazing run

Well of course that was the most fun as a Habs fan I have had since 1993. It was great. And as I said, I did applaud Bergevin.

In the post season you either win the Cup or you see where your weakness or weaknesses are. And watching the games it was apparent we should have had a good PMD in the line up, and we could have, but didn't for the reasons given. That's it. Just because we went to the finals doesn't make it any less true. And we did go to the finals and I give credit to Bergevin.

 

[Runner77]

Most of the Slaf bashers have an axe to grind because they wanted Wright. They don't bring up Wright anymore though.

One of Reinbacher's strengths is that he's apparently an extremely quick learner. Hopefully his progress continues at a high rate.

Where’s the quick learner tab from? Or is that a deduction based on quickly he evolved in the last year? Regardless, being coachable and smart is a non-negligible combo.

 

[Rapala]

Iets say Reinbacher is an amazing learner, and he learns from Hutson and MSL to become a offensive dynamo while being amazing on the defensive side of things . Would just be hilarious to watch every hab fan change their perspective and act like they wanted this pick lol.

He doesn't need to learn anything from Hutson his game is completely different. Even in the short development camp it was easy to see Reinbacher knows how to exploit open ice. That will be his game. Steady defender smart outlets exploit open ice. This will give him Ghule like production almost immediately.
Where it goes after that is anyone's guess.

 

[Rapala]

I love that limp dick is catching on.


You dont think Michkov would be able to score 100 points in two years? I do. You think Bedard will?

I'll be surprised if he even reaches Radulov's numbers in the KHL in the next three years.

 

[bsl]

It's clear Michkov wanted to go to Philly. He met them in secret in Philadelphia when he arrived in the US. And met with them again right before the draft in Nashville.

He reportedlt didn't want to meet with Anaheim, who were contemplating making him their pick at 2nd.

He apparently also let Caps know he wasn't interested in going there. As well as Arizona. Caps were picking after Philly, but just in case Flyers didn't take him, he wouldn't want Washongton to take him.

He met with teams he was okay going to, but Philly was clearly his top spot.

Why? Anaheim would have been a great choice for michkov

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Wtf, do you know that Russia is currently under international sanction and has been cut of from SWIFT?

How would we pay someone to scout for us in Russia without violating federal law?

???

I'm not super deep into politics, but I don't think it's illegal to hire a contractor in Russia atm? Lots of platforms let you hire people there I believe, so I don't think hiring there is an issue.

Do no teams have Russian scouts right now? I find that hard to believe.

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3,2% with a war going on. 1st Russian to not honor his NHL contract last week (Fedotov).

I understand the fans to be frustrated so I will avoid to insult you, But no way they were passing on a potential top RD for a kid coming with so many red flags in Michkov. Thats risk management and obviously, the risk factor was too high. There is also a culture they are trying to establish and believe in, they are not only drafting hockey players, but individuals with particular charactere traits, you can disagree with this approach, but future will prove them right all along, thats my own prediction. Now our blieline is set for the next 12 yrs and we are still headed through 3 other years of struggle so we will get the opportunities to add to our young talented fowards group in the upcoming drafts or via trades similar to the Dach, Newhook deals. Our prospects pool is stacked and there will be ton of possibilities to improve our roster in due time. But keep crying on Michkov and crapping on our management if it makes you feel better.

Thank God you're not insulting me. I don't think I'd ever survive.

Anyway, to respond to what you're saying, I'm aware this is their internal logic, and I think it's a combination of being a limp dicked organization with no balls and continuing the same stupid, idiotic, brain-dead, loser mentality that they've had for 30 years that has led to failure.

You draft talent. You do not draft for character and culture. It's the same dumb shit we keep doing over and over and over and some fans just gobble it up. It's fine if you're ok with mediocrity forever, but I want excellence.

As to your other points, our prospects are stacked on D, but our forward prospects are nothing to write home about. As Montreal Canadiens fans, we always overvalue our talent and this is no exception.

I like Dach, and he might be a fine center, but he's never been a top point producer anywhere in his life. Will that suddenly change?

What use is Newhook? Even if he hits his ceiling of 60-70 point top 6er, that's basically our 30 year prototype for a top 5 Habs forward: Undersized and mediocre.

So what's our top 6? It's weak, and it's not going to win you a cup.

This is looking like a wasted rebuild. You know who we look like? The Detroit Red Wings. Except our Seider and Larkin aren't as good, and we have a similar lack of talent up front. And it's not going to get us anywhere other than back to being a bubble team that loses in the first round. Have fun with that.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Why? Anaheim would have been a great choice for michkov

I don't know why. I'll ask Michkov next time I see him.

 

[bsl]

You come to the Reinbacher thread to read news about Reinbacher and then you read umpteen pages about Michkov and Philly... annoying

I liked the guhle pick a lot at the time because the good forwards were gone and they grabbed him. Same with rhino. He’s good.

 

[Schooner Guy]

Where’s the quick learner tab from? Or is that a deduction based on quickly he evolved in the last year? Regardless, being coachable and smart is a non-negligible combo.

I have seen it in draft prep literature and heard other analysts comment on it. Chuck Fletcher was on the draft panel on Sportsnet/NHL.com and was on a podcast shortly after the draft mentioning a Swiss contact raved about Reinbacher's extremely quick learning.

Reinbacher's interview in the scrum at Habs development camp was very impressive. Smart and mature kid.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Most of the Slaf bashers have an axe to grind because they wanted Wright. They don't bring up Wright anymore though.

One of Reinbacher's strengths is that he's apparently an extremely quick learner. Hopefully his progress continues at a high rate.

Who’s Wright?

 

[The Last Red]

???

I'm not super deep into politics, but I don't think it's illegal to hire a contractor in Russia atm? Lots of platforms let you hire people there I believe, so I don't think hiring there is an issue.

Do no teams have Russian scouts right now? I find that hard to believe.



Thank God you're not insulting me. I don't think I'd ever survive.

Anyway, to respond to what you're saying, I'm aware this is their internal logic, and I think it's a combination of being a limp dicked organization with no balls and continuing the same stupid, idiotic, brain-dead, loser mentality that they've had for 30 years that has led to failure.

You draft talent. You do not draft for character and culture. It's the same dumb shit we keep doing over and over and over and some fans just gobble it up. It's fine if you're ok with mediocrity forever, but I want excellence.

As to your other points, our prospects are stacked on D, but our forward prospects are nothing to write home about. As Montreal Canadiens fans, we always overvalue our talent and this is no exception.

I like Dach, and he might be a fine center, but he's never been a top point producer anywhere in his life. Will that suddenly change?

What use is Newhook? Even if he hits his ceiling of 60-70 point top 6er, that's basically our 30 year prototype for a top 5 Habs forward: Undersized and mediocre.

So what's our top 6? It's weak, and it's not going to win you a cup.

This is looking like a wasted rebuild. You know who we look like? The Detroit Red Wings. Except our Seider and Larkin aren't as good, and we have a similar lack of talent up front. And it's not going to get us anywhere other than back to being a bubble team that loses in the first round. Have fun with that.

Can you also give us the winning Powerball numbers for this coming Saturday's drawing when get a chance?

 

[Andrei79]

is anyone able to watch this, is the audio choppy AF for you or is it my internet cause most of their vids I clicked on were doing that.

Watched it with no audio.

He's so smart for his age. Still needs to work on some things, including some parts of his skating, but there's a lot of potential. I still think he has the IQ to get points on offense.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Most of the Slaf bashers have an axe to grind because they wanted Wright. They don't bring up Wright anymore though.

One of Reinbacher's strengths is that he's apparently an extremely quick learner. Hopefully his progress continues at a high rate.

Most don’t like being proven wrong on what is to them a motherhood issue. Such is the power of the consensus.

 

[FF de Mars]

Regardless of where Michkov plays, a smallish, skilled forward who lacks elite speed is going to face challenges when he comes to the NHL where every inch on the ice is clogged and intensely contested. This supposed generational talent may not be so generational. Reinbacher was a safer and much better choice at 5 OA.

I'm not sure Bach is safer, I heard analysts say he was a risky pick because of his unlocked offensive game.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

I don't know why. I'll ask Michkov next time I see him.

You may have to join the Ukrainian army to accomplish that.

I'm not sure Bach is safer, I heard analysts say he was a risky pick because of his unlocked offensive game.

You mean the same analysts who were on the Wright bandwagon?

 

[Kaladin]

Already got people here who argued for months straight that Shane Wright was the only way to go and Logan Cooley couldn't sniff his jockstrap to go to praising Cooley, not ever wanting Wright and claiming it a big miss to not have selected Cooley.

This argument would be a lot more impactful if the Habs were the ones that selected Cooley...

Fans are wrong all the time. Who cares. I care if the Habs are any good at drafting high picks.