Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[Boss Man Hughes]

I can imagine Michkov wanting Philly over Arizona, but he’s have been just as happy in Montreal. We didn’t pass on Michkov because of this, we passed on him because we didn’t have the access needed to get the full picture, scouts couldn’t watch him live, and simply chose Reinbacher over him. Hughes straight up said this. Whether this was smart or not has yet to be seen.

What Hughes said may not be the real reason. If they didn't like his attitude he s not going to divulge that. Just like I don't think he ever said why they didn't take Wright.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I can imagine Michkov wanting Philly over Arizona, but he’s have been just as happy in Montreal. We didn’t pass on Michkov because of this, we passed on him because we didn’t have the access needed to get the full picture, scouts couldn’t watch him live, and simply chose Reinbacher over him. Hughes straight up said this. Whether this was smart or not has yet to be seen.

Arpon talked about this extensively on his latest podcast.

The Habs using the "couldn't see him live" piece was only a part of it and it wasn't like, we can't see any first round Russians live so we won't draft any, ever. It's that what they couldn't see on video was part of their lingering questions on the evaluation of the player.

Simply put, they didn't think Michkov was a can't miss superstar offensively. They wondered if they could build a team around both Caufield and Michkov in their top 6 at their size and skating ability. They already locked in Caufield long term so they value that type of player but team compensation was something there.

They had problems with his neutral zone play, the way he creates offense and whether it would be a great fit for what they're doing. But the defensive zone stuff was a big negative they couldn't quantify on video. There were many stretches where he's just not on the screen while his team was in the defensive zone for 5 to 10 seconds

Lastly a high ranking scout for the Habs told Arpon to watch Demidov. They think he's the real deal.

All the question marks, the contract, the deep dive on the player, the team composition and the fact they loved Reinbacher and had been all over him all year from all across the org and scouting team, led them to be more comfortable with Reinbacher as the choice.

They don't hate skill. They showed they will take Russians. They just didn't like the Michkov risk, fit, and they didn't think as highly of his ability offensively. I think we know, since they'd have taken Bedard at 1, they'd be more than willing to accept a generational superstar talent at sub 5'10, they just didn't believe he was one.

 

[SlafySZN]

Arpon talked about this extensively on his latest podcast.

The Habs using the "couldn't see him live" piece was only a part of it and it wasn't like, we can't see any first round Russians live so we won't draft any, ever. It's that what they couldn't see on video was part of their lingering questions on the evaluation of the player.

Simply put, they didn't think Michkov was a can't miss superstar offensively. They wondered if they could build a team around both Caufield and Michkov in their top 6 at their size and skating ability. They already locked in Caufield long term so they value that type of player but team compensation was something there.

They had problems with his neutral zone play, the way he creates offense and whether it would be a great fit for what they're doing. But the defensive zone stuff was a big negative they couldn't quantify on video. There were many stretches where he's just not on the screen while his team was in the defensive zone for 5 to 10 seconds

Lastly a high ranking scout for the Habs told Arpon to watch Demidov. They think he's the real deal.

All the question marks, the contract, the deep dive on the player, the team composition and the fact they loved Reinbacher and had been all over him all year from all across the org and scouting team, led them to be more comfortable with Reinbacher as the choice.

They don't hate skill. They showed they will take Russians. They just didn't like the Michkov risk, fit, and they didn't think as highly of his ability offensively. I think we know, since they'd have taken Bedard at 1, they'd be more than willing to accept a generational superstar talent at sub 5'10, they just didn't believe he was one.

Well put.

And it’s great to know that if they are in a position to take Demidov next year they will probably do it. Maybe Bobrov think Demidov is a better player and person to add into the group they already have.

 

[GermanHabsFan72]

You come to the Reinbacher thread to read news about Reinbacher and then you read umpteen pages about Michkov and Philly... annoying

 

[Frankenheimer]

You come to the Reinbacher thread to read news about Reinbacher and then you read umpteen pages about Michkov and Philly... annoying

It won’t last and nobody is coming here to only get news on Reinbacher who is currently in off-season.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Arpon talked about this extensively on his latest podcast.

The Habs using the "couldn't see him live" piece was only a part of it and it wasn't like, we can't see any first round Russians live so we won't draft any, ever. It's that what they couldn't see on video was part of their lingering questions on the evaluation of the player.

Simply put, they didn't think Michkov was a can't miss superstar offensively. They wondered if they could build a team around both Caufield and Michkov in their top 6 at their size and skating ability. They already locked in Caufield long term so they value that type of player but team compensation was something there.

They had problems with his neutral zone play, the way he creates offense and whether it would be a great fit for what they're doing. But the defensive zone stuff was a big negative they couldn't quantify on video. There were many stretches where he's just not on the screen while his team was in the defensive zone for 5 to 10 seconds

Lastly a high ranking scout for the Habs told Arpon to watch Demidov. They think he's the real deal.

All the question marks, the contract, the deep dive on the player, the team composition and the fact they loved Reinbacher and had been all over him all year from all across the org and scouting team, led them to be more comfortable with Reinbacher as the choice.

They don't hate skill. They showed they will take Russians. They just didn't like the Michkov risk, fit, and they didn't think as highly of his ability offensively. I think we know, since they'd have taken Bedard at 1, they'd be more than willing to accept a generational superstar talent at sub 5'10, they just didn't believe he was one.

Arpon's pretty much a mouthpiece for the organization so all of this nonsense probably tracks with whatever limp dick mentality they had internally.

Which just goes to show what kind of incompetent losers they are. How do you not find a way to have a scout in Russia, probably the second most prominent hockey country? Just hire someone from there and then do some damned zoom calls if you can't get anyone in there FFS.

 

[montreal]

is anyone able to watch this, is the audio choppy AF for you or is it my internet cause most of their vids I clicked on were doing that.

 

[Jaynki]

Arpon talked about this extensively on his latest podcast.

The Habs using the "couldn't see him live" piece was only a part of it and it wasn't like, we can't see any first round Russians live so we won't draft any, ever. It's that what they couldn't see on video was part of their lingering questions on the evaluation of the player.

Simply put, they didn't think Michkov was a can't miss superstar offensively. They wondered if they could build a team around both Caufield and Michkov in their top 6 at their size and skating ability. They already locked in Caufield long term so they value that type of player but team compensation was something there.

They had problems with his neutral zone play, the way he creates offense and whether it would be a great fit for what they're doing. But the defensive zone stuff was a big negative they couldn't quantify on video. There were many stretches where he's just not on the screen while his team was in the defensive zone for 5 to 10 seconds

Lastly a high ranking scout for the Habs told Arpon to watch Demidov. They think he's the real deal.

All the question marks, the contract, the deep dive on the player, the team composition and the fact they loved Reinbacher and had been all over him all year from all across the org and scouting team, led them to be more comfortable with Reinbacher as the choice.

They don't hate skill. They showed they will take Russians. They just didn't like the Michkov risk, fit, and they didn't think as highly of his ability offensively. I think we know, since they'd have taken Bedard at 1, they'd be more than willing to accept a generational superstar talent at sub 5'10, they just didn't believe he was one.

No dude.

They hate skills.

Can you believe it? They hate skills i am telling you.

How can an organisation that want to play an offensive brand of hockey, who locks a young Caufield for 8 years and 60M+ and hire an offensive, open coach like MSL, loves skill? Its incongruent really... they hate skill, its pretty obvious, otherwise they would have drafted Michkov, pretty easy to understand.

Like, Reinbacher is not skilled right? Thats why they got him! A 6ft3 player RD skating like him, elite breakout abilities, there is no skill there.

Arpon's pretty much a mouthpiece for the organization so all of this nonsense probably tracks with whatever limp dick mentality they had internally.

Which just goes to show what kind of incompetent losers they are. How do you not find a way to have a scout in Russia, probably the second most prominent hockey country? Just hire someone from there and then do some damned zoom calls if you can't get anyone in there FFS.

I think they rather have us speculating on them having a scout in Russia versus them having problem with Michkov antics.

So it kinda work reading your post. Habs drafting Bogdan Konyushkov and Yevgeni Volhokin should tell you all you need to know about their scouting in Russia.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

is anyone able to watch this, is the audio choppy AF for you or is it my internet cause most of their vids I clicked on were doing that.

Yeah it's a mess for me too and I tried on mobile
Please be careful if you are editing this joint because that sound will drive you crazy brother

 

[SlafySZN]

is anyone able to watch this, is the audio choppy AF for you or is it my internet cause most of their vids I clicked on were doing that.

There is a glitch on pretty every games i watched but they're not all like this one haha!

 

[montreal]

I may have to edit out the sound, as it's most of the games, I'll spend more time on this weekend as I had hoped to watch a few more of his games. Very interesting to see what he can do. So far I'm starting to become a fan.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Arpon talked about this extensively on his latest podcast.

The Habs using the "couldn't see him live" piece was only a part of it and it wasn't like, we can't see any first round Russians live so we won't draft any, ever. It's that what they couldn't see on video was part of their lingering questions on the evaluation of the player.

Simply put, they didn't think Michkov was a can't miss superstar offensively. They wondered if they could build a team around both Caufield and Michkov in their top 6 at their size and skating ability. They already locked in Caufield long term so they value that type of player but team compensation was something there.

They had problems with his neutral zone play, the way he creates offense and whether it would be a great fit for what they're doing. But the defensive zone stuff was a big negative they couldn't quantify on video. There were many stretches where he's just not on the screen while his team was in the defensive zone for 5 to 10 seconds

Lastly a high ranking scout for the Habs told Arpon to watch Demidov. They think he's the real deal.

All the question marks, the contract, the deep dive on the player, the team composition and the fact they loved Reinbacher and had been all over him all year from all across the org and scouting team, led them to be more comfortable with Reinbacher as the choice.

They don't hate skill. They showed they will take Russians. They just didn't like the Michkov risk, fit, and they didn't think as highly of his ability offensively. I think we know, since they'd have taken Bedard at 1, they'd be more than willing to accept a generational superstar talent at sub 5'10, they just didn't believe he was one.

Well the second part of my post said basically that. They simply thought Reinbacher was the better pick and it had nothing to do with “Russian factor”. We will see whether their evaluation was correct or not. I’d have gambled on Michkov myself.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

No dude.

They hate skills.

Can you believe it? They hate skills i am telling you.

How can an organisation that want to play an offensive brand of hockey, who locks a young Caufield for 8 years and 60M+ and hire an offensive, open coach like MSL, loves skill? Its incongruent really... they hate skill, its pretty obvious, otherwise they would have drafted Michkov, pretty easy to understand.

Like, Reinbacher is not skilled right? Thats why they got him! A 6ft3 player RD skating like him, elite breakout abilities, there is no skill there.


I think they rather have us speculating on them having a scout in Russia versus them having problem with Michkov antics.

So it kinda work reading your post. Habs drafting Bogdan Konyushkov and Yevgeni Volhokin should tell you all you need to know about their scouting in Russia.

Doesn't make them any less limp dicked.

 

[Runner77]

That's not true. Most, if not everyone, knew he was the best D in the draft. Just because the consensus opinion was we should take Michkov, doesn't mean we thought Reinbacher was a bad player. One doesn't have to go with the other.

I’d be curious to know who would be concocting such an insane disconnect. Talk about two completely unrelated concepts.

Every player is evaluated on his own merits first and foremost.

Also, we keep seeing the absurd claim about how Reinbacher was the best D in a forward heavy draft as if it raises his stock. He ought to be good because his evaluation says he’s good. Would he still be considered the best D, say in comparison with the crop of a defence-heavy draft like next year? This is why making the claim is meaningless.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Arpon talked about this extensively on his latest podcast.

The Habs using the "couldn't see him live" piece was only a part of it and it wasn't like, we can't see any first round Russians live so we won't draft any, ever. It's that what they couldn't see on video was part of their lingering questions on the evaluation of the player.

Simply put, they didn't think Michkov was a can't miss superstar offensively. They wondered if they could build a team around both Caufield and Michkov in their top 6 at their size and skating ability. They already locked in Caufield long term so they value that type of player but team compensation was something there.

They had problems with his neutral zone play, the way he creates offense and whether it would be a great fit for what they're doing. But the defensive zone stuff was a big negative they couldn't quantify on video. There were many stretches where he's just not on the screen while his team was in the defensive zone for 5 to 10 seconds

Lastly a high ranking scout for the Habs told Arpon to watch Demidov. They think he's the real deal.

All the question marks, the contract, the deep dive on the player, the team composition and the fact they loved Reinbacher and had been all over him all year from all across the org and scouting team, led them to be more comfortable with Reinbacher as the choice.

They don't hate skill. They showed they will take Russians. They just didn't like the Michkov risk, fit, and they didn't think as highly of his ability offensively. I think we know, since they'd have taken Bedard at 1, they'd be more than willing to accept a generational superstar talent at sub 5'10, they just didn't believe he was one.

I don't think there is any evidence to support that they didn't think highly of his offensive ability and perhaps people are over complicating this. There were just too many things outside of his elite offensive ability that they did not feel comfortable with and the overall rating that they gave him was lower than Reinbacher's because there were less negatives with Reinbacher's game to bring his overall grade down.

We know that Reinbacher was exactly #5 on their list as they admitted to inquiring about moving up which would have been to get one of the 3 centers. I am not sure where Michkov was on their list but I think they would have also taken Dvorsky or Leonard ahead of him and possibly even Wood as well. There was just too much uncertainty for a risk averse manager like Hughes but I don't doubt that he believed Michkov to be an elite offensive talent.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I don't think there is any evidence to support that they didn't think highly of his offensive ability and perhaps people are over complicating this. There were just too many things outside of his elite offensive ability that they did not feel comfortable with and the overall rating that they gave him was lower than Reinbacher's because there were less negatives with Reinbacher's game to bring his overall grade down.

We know that Reinbacher was exactly #5 on their list as they admitted to inquiring about moving up which would have been to get one of the 3 centers. I am not sure where Michkov was on their list but I think they would have also taken Dvorsky or Leonard ahead of him and possibly even Wood as well. There was just too much uncertainty for a risk averse manager like Hughes but I don't doubt that he believed Michkov to be an elite offensive talent.

I wasn't saying they didn't think highly of his offensive ability, I was saying that they didn't think as highly of it as the people on this board who were painting him as a can't miss offensive superstar.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I wasn't saying they didn't think highly of his offensive ability, I was saying that they didn't think as highly of it as the people on this board who were painting him as a can't miss offensive superstar.

That is what I thought you were saying, I just believe that they didn't doubt his super star ability, they just doubted everything else. That by itself is enough to turn off Hughes as he quite obviously saw/heard things that he did not like about Michkov and his situation. At the end of the day he saw Reinbacher as a "bird in hand" and thought that losing a very safe pick that he felt confident would develop into a top three RD was too much to gamble on a potential Michkov circus. Hughes values character and culture as part of his team building philosophy and was very comfortable with Reinbacher fitting into an organizational philosophy whereas he may have viewed Michkov as more of an unknown wildcard that could potentially disrupt his team building efforts.

This is not to say that I have an opinion one way or another on Michkov's situation or his personality/entourage etc but the problem is that Hughes probably didn't know enough to be comfortable with risking the downside of picking him. As I believe you may have eluded to earlier (perhaps it was someone else?), Michkov may not have been a fit in Hughes' mind due to his style of play and as another small forward in the top 6.

I wasn't hoping for Reinbacher's name to be called out either and wanted Dvorsky instead ( I know you are not his biggest fan and I will respect your views on that). I was certain that Hughes wouldn't draft Michkov by that point in time and Dvorsky was simply next on my list with Michkov out of the equation. I was quietly hoping for Michkov because that would mean that Hughes had done his due diligence and truly believed in him but was prepared to be very happy with Dvorsky as well.....the whole time feeling in my gut that Reinbacher was going to be the pick.

Reinbacher for me is a reach at fifth overall as I am not sold on his offensive game but I am very confident that he will be a very good player for a long time so it is tough to hate the pick, it just wasn't my preference.

 

[Runner77]

Reinbacher for me is a reach at fifth overall as I am not sold on his offensive game but I am very confident that he will be a very good player for a long time so it is tough to hate the pick, it just wasn't my preference.

That is indeed quite troubling, esp. on a team where offence is not its strongest suit.

 

[habsfan92]

Maybe if he turns into a Doughty clone, I would be good.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

I’d be curious to know who would be concocting such an insane disconnect. Talk about two completely unrelated concepts.

Every player is evaluated on his own merits first and foremost.

Also, we keep seeing the absurd claim about how Reinbacher was the best D in a forward heavy draft as if it raises his stock. He ought to be good because his evaluation says he’s good. Would he still be considered the best D day in comparison with the crop of a defence-heavy draft like next year? This is why making the claim is meaningless.

That's my main issue with it. I'd have taken both Nemec and Jiricek over Reinbacher, and certainly over Slaf. I just think we made the wrong pick in 2 straight drafts and in absolutely key drafting positions.

Rooting for them to prove me wrong though.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Maybe if he turns into a Doughty clone, I would be good.

Maybe?

 

[Shutdown]

Maybe if he turns into a Doughty clone, I would be good.

More like Jay Bouwmeester

 

[Frank Drebin]

More like Jay Bouwmeester

I'll take Bouwmeester over Yakupov, if we're doing worst case scenarios in this thread

 

[Shutdown]

I'll take Bouwmeester over Yakupov, if we're doing worst case scenarios in this thread

I think, realistically, you do pretty well with a Bouwmeester at #5 in most drafts.

 

[salbutera]

Arpon's pretty much a mouthpiece for the organization so all of this nonsense probably tracks with whatever limp dick mentality they had internally.

Which just goes to show what kind of incompetent losers they are. How do you not find a way to have a scout in Russia, probably the second most prominent hockey country? Just hire someone from there and then do some damned zoom calls if you can't get anyone in there FFS.

Pls .. Bobrov’s old man worked for SKA, the Habs knew everything about Michkov …

Translation: it’s blatantly obvious, the org simply didn’t think Michkov was “all that” for a myriad of reasons they will never divulge because that goes against “the code”