Prospect Info: David Reinbacher

[Rapala]

Based on last season I would somewhat disagree. Slafkovsky's use in the NHL last season was based more on a predetermined plan and path than on-ice results and, as such, was much less reactionary than what we would have seen in another league

Apples and Oranges Slaf was inserted into a void that would not be the case with Reinbacher. If it was there would actually be nothing to discuss.

 

[Apfel Struble]

Apples and Oranges Slaf was inserted into a void that would not be the case with Reinbacher. If it was there would actually be nothing to discuss.

I'm not sure I follow you, what do you mean by void?

 

[The Real Guy Lafleur]

From the Athletic:

Canadiens draft decision on David Reinbacher explained by co-director of scouting Nick Bobrov​

BROSSARD, Que. — Nick Bobrov sat down and exhaled.

Canadiens development camp was over, exit interviews with the prospects — most of whom he had no part in drafting — were winding down. His second draft as Canadiens co-director of amateur scouting was in the rearview mirror. The time to relax had arrived, right?
BROSSARD, Que. — Nick Bobrov sat down and exhaled.
Canadiens development camp was over, exit interviews with the prospects — most of whom he had no part in drafting — were winding down. His second draft as Canadiens co-director of amateur scouting was in the rearview mirror. The time to relax had arrived, right?

Wrong.

“We’re already looking at next year’s names,” Bobrov said with a grin.

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[Rapala]

I would also add that there seems to be a trend of a higher degree of control on top prospects development in NHL teams in the past few years. Seattle did NOT want Wright to play in Kingston and used every mean possible to force a trade. The Habs reportedly heavily disliked the idea of sending Slafkovsky back in Finland. Detroit wanted Seider in the AHL because he was such a raw prospect back then. Nemec and Jiricek played in the AHL last season. In fact, the leagues deemed worthy for prospect development by NHL teams seem to be the SHL and the NCAA by a mile and specific programs/teams like London/Halifax/Seattle

While this is true each team and each individual's circumstances are unique. Are we pushing to have Reinbacher join the Big Club as a 19 year old?
Seider spent two years developing and joined Detroit as a 20 year old and they are not nearly as deep at that position as we are. We have a 2yr sliding ELC
It really is to our advantage to use it. One more year in the SHL and one year in Laval.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

You can also ask yourself why people passed on Forsberg, Barzal, Kucherov, etc.

Teams regularly make decisions that don’t end up being the best. It doesn’t mean it is a mistake at the time but it doesn’t mean it isn’t a mistake either. So asking yourself why X teams passed on Y player is pointless IMO.

Is he the BPA or does the team want to go for need.

I think the most troubling is Arizona passing on him twice over for two players projected to go well below him

 

[DAChampion]

According to Guy Boucher who coached there, it is of his belief actually superior to the AHL.

edit @417 beat me to it.

Well then why bring Reinbacher to the AHL?

 

[HabbyGuy]

Well then why bring Reinbacher to the AHL?

Dunno. I personally think it makes the most logical sense for him to stay in Europe for all involved.

I think maybe, that most who want him here, may be suffering from new shiny toy syndrome.

Patience is the best course of action imo. Nevermind the room it allows our other D in the AHL to get necessary development time.

It seems like a win win to me.

 

[Apfel Struble]

While this is true each team and each individual's circumstances are unique. Are we pushing to have Reinbacher join the Big Club as a 19 year old?
Seider spent two years developing and joined Detroit as a 20 year old and they are not nearly as deep at that position as we are. We have a 2yr sliding ELC
It really is to our advantage to use it. One more year in the SHL and one year in Laval.

I'd say the pandemic ruined the Wings plan. I figure they wanted Seider for another year in the AHL with maybe a NHL call up during the season

 

[Rapala]

Wow Bobrov really got his point across...
doubly.

 

[Rapala]

I'm not sure I follow you, what do you mean by void?

A position of extreme weakness. Our wings suck.

 

[Rapala]

I'd say the pandemic ruined the Wings plan. I figure they wanted Seider for another year in the AHL with maybe a NHL call up during the season

Probably true but it worked out just fine for them in the end. The reverse path with Reinbacher would be just as effective IMO. The idea being to get him to the NHL by the end of next season.

 

[HabbyGuy]

Wow Bobrov really got his point across...
doubly.

Triply.

What a word jumbo that was.

 

[Apfel Struble]

Dunno. I personally think it makes the most logical sense for him to stay in Europe for all involved

It feels like modern NHL teams with younger GMs are more tuned in with modern corporate culture and verticality of the process is much more prioritized than in past regimes

The ability to control his development more fully is interesting from a gm standpoint. If you trust your staff, I don’t see how doing it in house isn’t preferable compared to deferring to external interests and hoping everything turns out for the best

 

[An0n]

The only positive I see in him playing in Europe instead of AHL is that it leaves more minutes to Mailloux and other youngs Dmen that will play in the AHL next year.

 

[HabbyGuy]

It feels like modern NHL teams with younger GMs are more tuned in with modern corporate culture and verticality of the process is much more prioritized than in past regimes

The ability to control his development more fully is interesting from a gm standpoint. If you trust your staff, I don’t see how doing it in house isn’t preferable compared to deferring to external interests and hoping everything turns out for the best

That fine and I see the merit in that. But the habs have more pressing needs than rushing Reinbacher. They need to give the best opportunity for their other D prospects to succeed as well. Having Reinbacher in the AHL fold just muddies that up. There's a bigger picture here involved.

We have time, there is no rush with where we are in our team building timeline. I've never heard of a player ever being "over developed" especially dmen, he's 18. The league he's playing in is by all accounts a good one. He will be afforded there as many opportunities if not more for growth as he would in he AHL.

The only caveat being the smaller rink size in north america.

 

[The Last Red]

Well then why bring Reinbacher to the AHL?

To get used to the smaller ice surface. It's a very different game. The longer he plays on the big ice, the longer it will take him to adapt to the smaller one.

 

[le_sean]

True, but i don’t think this is one or those sometimes.

He actually dominated in SL, he’s the consensus #1 Dman in this draft, I’m confident he can handle the minutes and challenge.

Had he been a later 1st round pick into the 2nd round I’d agree 100% but he’s the best defenceman of this draft.

If Jiricek and Nemec can do it so can Reinbacher

Just my 2 cents

He didn’t dominate offensively. Yeah it was a great season for a draft eligible player, but I want to see him be the main PP guy for a full season. Like I said previously, in Laval he’s just going to share those minutes with Mailloux and Norlinder.

 

[HabbyGuy]

To get used to the smaller ice surface. It's a very different game. The longer he plays on the big ice, the longer it will take him to adapt to the smaller one.

I think this is overstated imo. A good player with a proper skill set and good hockey IQ fundamentally in place will adapt quicker than most think. Especially in the AHL for a dman. Unlike Slafkovsky who was thrown into the fire like a fish outta water at the highest level possible in the NHL.

Our timeline should be a year in Sweden then next year in the AHL. I don't see the reason for concern about the ice surface. This year should be more about getting stronger and adding more opportunity for growth in other aspects of his game. Like being a true #1D on his team and PP time in an environment he's comfortable in.

Next year he can then apply those things in the AHL.

 

[Runner77]

anyways, enough has been said about that situation.

You think? You’re seriously underestimating this forum’s PTSD tendencies and you wouldn’t be alone in that, lol.

It won’t be over, I suspect, until both players have had a sufficient sample size NHL track record. And even then.

But, since it’s a Reinbacher thread, more Reinbacher and less on the other guy.

 

[Habs]

Confirmed - The Athletic would have taken Leonard at 5 as well

 

[417]

You think? You’re seriously underestimating this forum’s PTSD tendencies and you wouldn’t be alone in that, lol.

It won’t be over, I suspect, until both players have had a sufficient sample size NHL track record. And even then.

But, since it’s a Reinbacher thread, more Reinbacher and less on the other guy.

Yeah, i'm at least going to try to focus discussions and thoughts about Reinbacher and his development and not have Michkov as the back drop for everything.

Wish me luck! lol

 

[Captain97]

Well then why bring Reinbacher to the AHL?

Different style of game/Ice surface. We can also control his usage for how we want his development to go.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Because it’s obvious that we should have drafted Eichel at 5 and not this bust from a random country.

 

[Whitesnake]

To get used to the smaller ice surface. It's a very different game. The longer he plays on the big ice, the longer it will take him to adapt to the smaller one.

In due time. Kid has to get more responsabilities. To upgrade his offensive game. Away from the projectors.

 

[waffledave]

Some nice comments from Bob Hartley on Reinbacher... He used to coach in the Swiss League and knows the coach of Kloten. He said playing in the Swiss League at 18 years old, period, is very hard to do, let alone playing as a no. 1 dman. His coach in Kloten says he's a warrior, hard worker, very coachable and open to learning. He seems pretty convinced we will end up with a gem.