If not for Michkov, I feel this is a great value pick. I don't have any problem stacking up young d prospects as a position of strenght and trading them for forwards later on if/when needed. HuGo traded Romanov for Dach, our first big center in years whose been developing really well here. Meanwhile, Romanov is basically the Islander's number 5 defenseman (with upside) on an average D. Opportunities will surely happen again to improve the team via trading our young defensive assets maybe not with michkov's potential, if fulfilled, however but enough to build a likeable competitive team in a few years.
Prospect Info: David Reinbacher
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The only position we don't have need at, in terms of the future core, is LD. And, the other candidates for the 5th overall pick weren't LD's. So, I don't think Reinbacher was drafted for need. I think they picked him over Leonard, Michkov, etc... because they think he was the best player available to help us win a cup.
I'm only in favor of not drafting BPA if you're already really stacked at his position, and if the drop off to the next BPA isn't very much of a drop off. And if you're not a contender, you shouldn't consider how the team will look in 1 - 2 years, but how it will look when you're ready to contend.
Having said all that, they may have looked at Caufield, who is considered a part of the long term and said we don't want two undersized forwards that aren't that good defensively in the top 6 when we're ready to contend. I personally wouldn't agree with that thinking. Both because I think two Caufield's would be fantastic and because I think a second Caufield would have tremendous trade value to address the RD need.
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While I wouldn't mind that much him returning to Kloten, I'm not sure it's the best path for Reinbacher. The defensive part of his game is already solid, it's the puck handling and offence, especially on the PP, that need to be developed
Last season, despite being the best defensive dman and most productive at ES, Reinbacher did not play on PP1 with all the imports but on PP2 with the Swiss players, the Swedish dman Jonsson did. And if you look at it, the imports were the one creating the offence:
What would prevent something like this from happening again this year? Kloten does not owe the Habs anything, they have to fight to stay in the main league. If Reinbacher plays in the Habs preseason camp, he might also miss Kloten's camp and lose a PP spot to a player already here, it happens often in the SHL
The advantage of a team like Laval is that you control the parameters, it IS a development league. If Reinbacher isn't generating much offence on PP1 after 5 games, they can keep him there anyway. I don't known how good Kloten facilities are, are they like Rogle or way less good. In Laval, Recinbacher would have access to the Habs facilities, staff, he could have a billet family
This might be professional deformation on my part, but, for an expriment to work, you need to control as much parameters as you can and leave as little to luck as possible. I just don't see how Kloten becomes the preferable path when you leave so much of Reinbacher's development to things outside your control
Last season, despite being the best defensive dman and most productive at ES, Reinbacher did not play on PP1 with all the imports but on PP2 with the Swiss players, the Swedish dman Jonsson did. And if you look at it, the imports were the one creating the offence:
What would prevent something like this from happening again this year? Kloten does not owe the Habs anything, they have to fight to stay in the main league. If Reinbacher plays in the Habs preseason camp, he might also miss Kloten's camp and lose a PP spot to a player already here, it happens often in the SHL
The advantage of a team like Laval is that you control the parameters, it IS a development league. If Reinbacher isn't generating much offence on PP1 after 5 games, they can keep him there anyway. I don't known how good Kloten facilities are, are they like Rogle or way less good. In Laval, Recinbacher would have access to the Habs facilities, staff, he could have a billet family
This might be professional deformation on my part, but, for an expriment to work, you need to control as much parameters as you can and leave as little to luck as possible. I just don't see how Kloten becomes the preferable path when you leave so much of Reinbacher's development to things outside your control
Now why on earth would they draft a second Caufield with the intent of trading one of them for a good Rd, instead of just picking a good young Rd at the draft?
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Not a bad analysis for sure. Yet, Reinbacher is now 1-year older. He is a top 5 pick. Kloten will want to benefit from that. And I would suspect that the Habs would STRONGLY suggest to give him more opportunities. Let just say that I'd suspect it would be the deal that would have been made in order to send him back. We don't send him back so that he is not used in all the situations.
Mind you, I understand that once he is in, well Kloten could do whatever.
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Yeah I considered that. You can get an RD that is a more certain commodity. You don't know if a draft pick will bust or not. So if you believe the winger is a better prospect/asset you increase your chances of having the better asset, whether to keep or trade for need.
I think they see Reinbacher as the better asset.
Great point.
It would make a whole lot sense for Kloten to promise to play him on PP1 just to get to have him. And the Swiss and Austrian cultures are pretty similar, especially since Kloten is in the german speaking canton of Zurich. Kloten is closer to his birth town in Austria than Sherbrooke is to Montreal, plus they have trains here. Access to his family is a great plus for sure
I wouldn't be mad or even disappointed if the Habs sent him to Kloten. It's just that I feel the coach won't be as patient if Reinbacher gets in a slump or doesn't produce on the PP; he can't afford it and this is one hard league. This dude at elite prospect whose name I forgot said the NL was a better league than the KHL and the Liiga last year, just behind the SHL in Europe
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Truth is, with a defenseman, often we won't know what we have until he's 25 years old. So in 7 years.
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You can also ask yourself why people passed on Forsberg, Barzal, Kucherov, etc.
Teams regularly make decisions that don’t end up being the best. It doesn’t mean it is a mistake at the time but it doesn’t mean it isn’t a mistake either. So asking yourself why X teams passed on Y player is pointless IMO.
Is he the BPA or does the team want to go for need.
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Well I'm involved in a discussion in the other thread and some think we can dictate Reinbacher's use which is false. So in one league the coach may decide not to give him PP1 time because he has better options. But in the other league Houle can just throw him out there regardless. When teams have meetings talking about an individual player's development do you honestly think the development team will over-ride the coach or is it more likely they talk about where they see the player now and where they'd like to see him in the future in terms of the metrics. Houle has to deal with his options as well. Just like any player we've brought up the role they end up with is determined by their play not where we drafted them. It's like the gentleman said we can strongly suggest and that is as far as we can go. Does anyone doubt the Kid will be given the opportunity because they shouldn't. What he does with it will determine how much time he gets on the PP.
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I think Europe is a perfect place for him to develop his offence and puckhandling. It gives him more time and space. He can gain that experience and confidence and take it to the AHL at 20 to learn how to do it with a little less time and space. It’s baby steps sometimes.
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Reinbacher started the first couple of games on the 3rd pair last season and quickly took the #1 spot against veteran players at barely 18 years old and earned 2nd PP minutes. I doubt he’s not on PP1 next season.
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Get him to a smaller ice surface NOW…. Just my opinion.
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Yes without Michkov this becomes a very different discussion. He was there though, and is indeed the wildcard.
True, but i don’t think this is one or those sometimes.
He actually dominated in SL, he’s the consensus #1 Dman in this draft, I’m confident he can handle the minutes and challenge.
Had he been a later 1st round pick into the 2nd round I’d agree 100% but he’s the best defenceman of this draft.
If Jiricek and Nemec can do it so can Reinbacher
Just my 2 cents
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The idea of keeping Reinbacher in Europe is as much about our other D prospects already in Laval as it is about David.
They all need room to grow. Him being in Europe helps with that.
There is no rush here needed.
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Guy Boucher, who coached there for 3 years, said the Swiss League level is higher.
That's his opinion though.
I think they're at least on par though.
I've always viewed the Swiss League as the place where AHL/NHL tweeners go to when they've given up their NHL dream but want to make some real money and live comfortably.
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It was posted somewhere that recently the league has been inflated in terms of skill with a number of KHL players leaving due to obvious reasons so it may be even more impressive what Reinbacher did there last year
Could be….i don’t have the answers, only opinions
Either way I’m good, I’m just in the opinion that to getting him on NA ice quickly would serve him best in his development.
We’ll see what management decides
Have you checked their respective rosters to determine if they are replete with Dmen like we are? I don't think anyone doubts he can play in Laval.
The question is are we willing to forego developing a potential trade asset which we are sure to need as we continue to rebuild. We can leave him in place
while we sort out the log jam to our advantage.
True and I think if we have any doubts whatsoever that he can continue his progress overseas Laval it is. But I've not read one report that even hints that the league is weak or that his club can't develop players. In fact the opposite is more likely given his meteoric progression.
Based on last season I would somewhat disagree. Slafkovsky's use in the NHL last season was based more on a predetermined plan and path than on-ice results and, as such, was much less reactionary than what we would have seen in another league
I would also add that there seems to be a trend of a higher degree of control on top prospects development in NHL teams in the past few years. Seattle did NOT want Wright to play in Kingston and used every mean possible to force a trade. The Habs reportedly heavily disliked the idea of sending Slafkovsky back in Finland. Detroit wanted Seider in the AHL because he was such a raw prospect back then. Nemec and Jiricek played in the AHL last season. In fact, the leagues deemed worthy for prospect development by NHL teams seem to be the SHL and the NCAA by a mile and specific programs/teams like London/Halifax/Seattle
Regarding the "What he does with it will determine how much time he gets on the PP", I agree to an extent but I don't see it as a binary situation as much as one of degree. The amount of leeway Reinbacher would be given in Laval would be superior in Laval than in Kloten because Houle does answer to HuGo whereas the Kloten coach doesn't
I also disagree on the draft vs play part, high draft picks are given a special treatment. In part it is because the front management is personally invested in them, in the other it's because the players are often younger than their peers. The org had already invseted and will continue to invest a lot in Reinbacher, he has to succeed
I also think he was selected based on how fast he can become an impact player. I'd wager that in his last year of ELC, Reinbacher will be one of the best contract value in the league. That's in 4 years, I'd bet that's when the Habs want to go far in the playoffs
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