Prospect Info: David Reinbacher - Get Well Soon Edition

[The Gr8 Dane]

This poor guy got death threats when he was drafted. No Michkov has turned into a star. The pressure will be ridiculous.

Yeah I don't think he can do it personally

 

[sampollock]

wonder if Rein is a trade piece down the line. to bring a centre here of course in a package

 

[Saundies]

wonder if Rein is a trade piece down the line. to bring a centre here of course in a package

We'd kind of be taking away from Peter to pay Paul kinda thing (love that expression) as RD is also a need for the team as much as C. Mailloux looks decent offensively but there are questions about how his defense will be as he moves up and there's no 'stalwart' in the system right now.

I would do it as I think it will be another whole year at least before DR even sniffs the big club (he has to catch up on his development) but I don't think it's something Hughes and Co look to do.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

We'd kind of be taking away from Peter to pay Paul kinda thing (love that expression) as RD is also a need for the team as much as C. Mailloux looks decent offensively but there are questions about how his defense will be as he moves up and there's no 'stalwart' in the system right now.

I would do it as I think it will be another whole year at least before DR even sniffs the big club (he has to catch up on his development) but I don't think it's something Hughes and Co look to do.

Yeah if we'd been able to get Jiricek that might have been an option, but we are extraordinarily thin at RD with Mailloux and Reinbacher being our only hopes at top 4 RD

 

[Sorinth]

We'd kind of be taking away from Peter to pay Paul kinda thing (love that expression) as RD is also a need for the team as much as C. Mailloux looks decent offensively but there are questions about how his defense will be as he moves up and there's no 'stalwart' in the system right now.

I would do it as I think it will be another whole year at least before DR even sniffs the big club (he has to catch up on his development) but I don't think it's something Hughes and Co look to do.

Even if we were trading a RD for forward help then we'd probably actually prefer to trade Mailloux and keep Reinbacher.

 

[Leon Lucius Black]

This season is further proof on why the Reinbacher pick made sense and still makes sense. Our two biggest needs right now are RHD and a legit top 6 centre behind Suzuki (which Dach still has a chance to claim).

Hutson has already shown he can be a top 4 D and Guhle looks much better on the left side, while on the right side we've been stuck with Matheson and a declining Savard. There aren't many options out there to find minute eating RHD so the best thing to do is try and draft those guys who can play 20+ minutes a night.

Wingers are much easier and cheaper to find, even before the season we got paid a 2nd to take a 30 goal scorer.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

This season is further proof on why the Reinbacher pick made sense and still makes sense. Our two biggest needs right now are RHD and a legit top 6 centre behind Suzuki (which Dach still has a chance to claim).

Hutson has already shown he can be a top 4 D and Guhle looks much better on the left side, while on the right side we've been stuck with Matheson and a declining Savard. There aren't many options out there to find minute eating RHD so the best thing to do is try and draft those guys who can play 20+ minutes a night.

Wingers are much easier and cheaper to find, even before the season we got paid a 2nd to take a 30 goal scorer.

The idea behind the pick was always decent , it still comes down to Rein himself now after the pick , Jesus take the wheel

 

[Saundies]

This season is further proof on why the Reinbacher pick made sense and still makes sense. Our two biggest needs right now are RHD and a legit top 6 centre behind Suzuki (which Dach still has a chance to claim).

Hutson has already shown he can be a top 4 D and Guhle looks much better on the left side, while on the right side we've been stuck with Matheson and a declining Savard. There aren't many options out there to find minute eating RHD so the best thing to do is try and draft those guys who can play 20+ minutes a night.

Wingers are much easier and cheaper to find, even before the season we got paid a 2nd to take a 30 goal scorer.

It's hard to see Michkov doing well and wonder what could have been, but the pick makes sense if you take a step back and view it in line with the Demidov pick.

People are quick to say "Imagine the Habs with Demidov and Michkov." That was never going to happen. People don't want to hear that or try to make sense of it, but it was always going to be one or the other. They're different players, but both are still smaller Russian players (in this political climate, no less) who rely on skill to do damage. The team was never taking both of them.

I hated the Reinbacher pick at the time, but after picking Demidov I'm cool with it. It was either going to be Michkov/Cayden Lindstrom/Silayev (or some other RD, C) or Reinbacher/Demidov/Lindstrom. Michkov is here and playing well and Demidov is on Rotenberg "sign a contract or you don't play" island in SKA, that's the only reason the heat on DR has returned.

 

[montreal]

It's hard to see Michkov doing well and wonder what could have been, but the pick makes sense if you take a step back and view it in line with the Demidov pick.

People are quick to say "Imagine the Habs with Demidov and Michkov." That was never going to happen. People don't want to hear that or try to make sense of it, but it was always going to be one or the other. They're different players, but both are still smaller Russian players (in this political climate, no less) who rely on skill to do damage. The team was never taking both of them.

I hated the Reinbacher pick at the time, but after picking Demidov I'm cool with it. It was either going to be Michkov/Cayden Lindstrom/Silayev (or some other RD, C) or Reinbacher/Demidov/Lindstrom. Michkov is here and playing well and Demidov is on Rotenberg "sign a contract or you don't play" island in SKA, that's the only reason the heat on DR has returned.

that doesn't make sense, you go BPA, if it's Michkov and Demidov then that's who you pick.

 

[sampollock]

that doesn't make sense, you go BPA, if it's Michkov and Demidov then that's who you pick.

most posters will say both

 

[26Mats]

most posters will say both

I think Hutson finding an assassin like Michkov would have been deadly. I think they would have had a nice two man game going. But I also like the idea of Reinbacher being Hutson's partner long term...We'll see over the years what the right choice would have been.

 

[Saundies]

that doesn't make sense, you go BPA, if it's Michkov and Demidov then that's who you pick.

Teams say they do and aim to do that but they provably don't all the time. Why would Chicago pick Levshunov 2nd overall this year for example? Do you really think they believe he'll be the 2nd best player in the draft, or is it because Demidov is also a smaller winger (like Bedard) and they wanted to avoid having their top 6 full of that type of player.

Teams often, IMO, go BPA is everything is equal INCLUDING need.

We have Caufield already in the top 6 who is small, you throw in Michkov and then Demidov in that mix and our top 6 long term (outside of Slaf) is insane small and we're back to the "smurf" allegations of the early 2010s. Teams like that don't win in the playoffs. Add in the fact they're both Russians with all of the nonsense surrounding prospects coming from there and we were NEVER going to take both.

You'll never convince me that was ever the plan. It's a pipe dream fans come up with in their heads.

 

[montreal]

Teams say they do and aim to do that but they provably don't all the time. Why would Chicago pick Levshunov 2nd overall this year for example? Do you really think they believe he'll be the 2nd best player in the draft, or is it because Demidov is also a smaller winger (like Bedard) and they wanted to avoid having their top 6 full of that type of player.

Teams often, IMO, go BPA is everything is equal INCLUDING need.

We have Caufield already in the top 6 who is small, you throw in Michkov and then Demidov in that mix and our top 6 long term (outside of Slaf) is insane small and we're back to the "smurf" allegations of the early 2010s. Teams like that don't win in the playoffs. Add in the fact they're both Russians with all of the nonsense surrounding prospects coming from there and we were NEVER going to take both.

You'll never convince me that was ever the plan. It's a pipe dream fans come up with in their heads.

Teams also say they don't go BPA and we know the history of the draft that many, many mistakes get made on draft day for various reasons.

If you go back to the draft threads, I said I wouldn't pick Michkov because you already have Caufield but I thought for sure that Will Smith was going to fall to us and that he was 100% our pick. If Michkov was the BPA then that's who they should have picked. I felt they either didn't pick him because of his character or he said he didn't want to play here, I don't know what happened but clearly something odd went down since you had Price not even seeming to know who we were picking, just felt like something funny was going on.

 

[River Meadow]

It's hard to see Michkov doing well and wonder what could have been, but the pick makes sense if you take a step back and view it in line with the Demidov pick.

People are quick to say "Imagine the Habs with Demidov and Michkov." That was never going to happen. People don't want to hear that or try to make sense of it, but it was always going to be one or the other. They're different players, but both are still smaller Russian players (in this political climate, no less) who rely on skill to do damage. The team was never taking both of them.

I hated the Reinbacher pick at the time, but after picking Demidov I'm cool with it. It was either going to be Michkov/Cayden Lindstrom/Silayev (or some other RD, C) or Reinbacher/Demidov/Lindstrom. Michkov is here and playing well and Demidov is on Rotenberg "sign a contract or you don't play" island in SKA, that's the only reason the heat on DR has returned.

Demidov is 6ft tall, and Michkov is built like a brick sh*thouse and plays like a bulldog, so size should not be a huge concern especially factoring in the talent level here.

We completely lucked out on getting Demidov at 5. He could have easily been gone at that spot, so we shouldn't act like it was all some grand master plan.

In the top 10, especially top 5, you have to draft the best player, just like we did when we drafted Price at #5 when we didn't need a goalie at all (Theodore just came off of a Vezina win). BPA, BPA, BPA.

Bustbacher has to deliver the goods now or Hughes and company will look like absolute fools.

 

[MasterD]

I think Hutson finding an assassin like Michkov would have been deadly. I think they would have had a nice two man game going. But I also like the idea of Reinbacher being Hutson's partner long term...We'll see over the years what the right choice would have been.

Not even. Whatever happens with Mitchkov in Philly and whatever happens with Reinbacher here, could have gone completely differently if they had been drafted in different environments.

 

[River Meadow]

This season is further proof on why the Reinbacher pick made sense and still makes sense. Our two biggest needs right now are RHD and a legit top 6 centre behind Suzuki (which Dach still has a chance to claim).

Hutson has already shown he can be a top 4 D and Guhle looks much better on the left side, while on the right side we've been stuck with Matheson and a declining Savard. There aren't many options out there to find minute eating RHD so the best thing to do is try and draft those guys who can play 20+ minutes a night.

Wingers are much easier and cheaper to find, even before the season we got paid a 2nd to take a 30 goal scorer.

Your draft mindset is based on needs and not BPA though.

Drafting by need is usually a bad idea.

By the time the player is ready, the team looks very different.

 

[Sorinth]

Your draft mindset is based on needs and not BPA though.

Drafting by need is usually a bad idea.

By the time the player is ready, the team looks very different.

Sure but at the same time it's foolish to ignore positional value. Centers are simply more valuable then wingers, right hand shots are just more valuable then left hand shots, players with size are more valuable then smaller players.

You obviously shouldn't make draft decisions solely on those type of factors but it's also not something you should ignore either.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Teams also say they don't go BPA and we know the history of the draft that many, many mistakes get made on draft day for various reasons.

If you go back to the draft threads, I said I wouldn't pick Michkov because you already have Caufield but I thought for sure that Will Smith was going to fall to us and that he was 100% our pick. If Michkov was the BPA then that's who they should have picked. I felt they either didn't pick him because of his character or he said he didn't want to play here, I don't know what happened but clearly something odd went down since you had Price not even seeming to know who we were picking, just felt like something funny was going on.

They did extensive due diligence on Demidov, it would stand to reason they would have done the same on Michkov.

Friedman already reported that Michkov played the process with his agent to get to Philly. I think they might have been the only team to know that he could get out to the NHL 2 years earlier.

Watching how Rotenberg is handling Demidov, I can easily see how a team would be apprehensive about Michkov developing there for 3 seasons.

On top of that, the culture buzz word they used for Reinbacher, I feel like also was a bit of messaging that they knew Michkov didn't want to be there and had a priority to go somewhere else. I don't think that is the type of person they wanted to bring in, someone who explicitly didn't want to be there.

Then you have the rarity of the Reinbacher profile, the fact the Hawks did the same thing with faced with a Demidov vs RD dilemma, and it's easy to see why they made the choice they made.

 

[26Mats]

Not even. Whatever happens with Mitchkov in Philly and whatever happens with Reinbacher here, could have gone completely differently if they had been drafted in different environments.

That's a possibility. But I'm not seeing the environment being a facot when it comes to these two. You don't think Michkov could thrive playing with Hutson, Suzuki, Caufield, Laine, Slaf, Demidov, etc... You don't think Reinbacher could thrive in Philly?

 

[River Meadow]

Sure but at the same time it's foolish to ignore positional value. Centers are simply more valuable then wingers, right hand shots are just more valuable then left hand shots, players with size are more valuable then smaller players.

You obviously shouldn't make draft decisions solely on those type of factors but it's also not something you should ignore either.

I think it depends.

In the top 5 of a draft (or even top 10)... on a player of Michkov's caliber...

I would say it's foolish to go positional there.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

It's hard to see Michkov doing well and wonder what could have been, but the pick makes sense if you take a step back and view it in line with the Demidov pick.

People are quick to say "Imagine the Habs with Demidov and Michkov." That was never going to happen. People don't want to hear that or try to make sense of it, but it was always going to be one or the other. They're different players, but both are still smaller Russian players (in this political climate, no less) who rely on skill to do damage. The team was never taking both of them.

I hated the Reinbacher pick at the time, but after picking Demidov I'm cool with it. It was either going to be Michkov/Cayden Lindstrom/Silayev (or some other RD, C) or Reinbacher/Demidov/Lindstrom. Michkov is here and playing well and Demidov is on Rotenberg "sign a contract or you don't play" island in SKA, that's the only reason the heat on DR has returned.

The problem with this logic is that we got lucky Demi was there. He shouldn’t have been. I’m fine with the pick as I trust the group, but thru made a mistake here imo, it’s ok to say so. I thought so at the time. That’s not to say RB can’t be a huge piece for us going forward, but they over thought this one imo. Michkov might end up the most impactful player from the draft. Many thought so leading into the draft as well but seeked to look for reasons to downplay him as a prospect.

 

[cave troll]

I remember some years ago when Bergy's "draft for need" was criticized and he was called incompetent.
Now we're back to "draft for need" and sc**w the BPA.

 

[OnTheRun]

I remember some years ago when Bergy's "draft for need" was criticized and he was called incompetent.
Now we're back to "draft for need" and sc**w the BPA.

In 2023 the team had need for everything but LD. They didn't pass in Michkov based on need, they passed because they think he is a headcase on top of his long KHL deal.

 

[Matthew McConaughay]

Don't think Michkov wanted to be drafted by the Habs.

 

[Habs]

Your draft mindset is based on needs and not BPA though.

Drafting by need is usually a bad idea.

By the time the player is ready, the team looks very different.

My god people still want to draft by positional need? We miss out on Brady and Hughes, and the other studs.. and took Bustniemi lol. What a bunch of Turd Fergusons who support drafting by position.



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