Player Discussion David Quinn

[True Blue]

Smith, Haley, McKegg in the forward group. Yep, totally "rebuilding" roster to me, so far.

4th liners are how you judge a rebuild?

 

[True Blue]

Kakko apparently has to earn it, unlike Kreider

1 player has a track record and coach's trust. One does not. Want to differentiate between the two?

 

[True Blue]

The fact that anyone within this organization thinks it's acceptable to dress Gregg McKegg, Michael Haley and Brendan Smith in the year 2019 is frightening.

What is your proposition for who should be playing 5-6 minutes on the 4th line?

 

[True Blue]

I think Quinn has a long road of him if he wants to be an NHL coach for much longer.

Already? What are the clear cut wrong moves that as a coach, he made?

How soVery confusing moves, very confusing roster decisions.

Please spell them out. And if it the only thing you can come up with is the composition of the 4th line, please state your alternatives and why they would make a material difference.

If we brought in 2 big name players aren't we supposed to be better, not worse?

This was spelled out for you during the summer. In addition to bringing in two big name players, you also lost two big name players. You are icing a defense with 2 rookies, an at best #4 in Skjei, an at best #6 in Staal and DeAngelo who has still to learn to play proper defense. You are the youngest team in the league by FAR.

What part of this made or makes you believe that you will be a better team than last year?

No offense but your issue seems that you took the good vibes from the summer and transferred them on pie in the sky dreams that had about a .1% chance of occurring. And now you are looking for the scapegoat for having your face rubbed squarely in reality.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

1 player has a track record and coach's trust. One does not. Want to differentiate between the two?

Kreider being promoted to the top line, out of position, after the way he performed makes no sense.

 

[AntNYR]

Kreider being promoted to the top line, out of position, after the way he performed makes no sense.

Depends how you look at it. Kreider's performance this year doesn't warrant a promotion to top line, but then again neither does anyone else's. On the other hand Kreider has previously played well with Zib and shown that he can handle 1st line duties, plus his playstyle should work well with Zib & Panarin. I think everyone, including DQ, knows that this isn't ideal but sometimes you have to try things out. That said, I can't see this being a long term solution and personally I'd think of splitting Zib and Panarin for a more balanced offence, but who knows if that would work either.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

My biggest gripe to what Quinn said in that video is just how he went about as saying

Someone on Twitter I follow described it like, have some tact and cushion the blow a little bit, use different words and be a bit more supporting of him publicly.

He has to know saying something like this is going to get people up in arms

He needs to watch a Reid press conference. Shoulder the public blame, and do your calling out in practice.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Kreider being promoted to the top line, out of position, after the way he performed makes no sense.

It did make sense from the standpoint of adding a guy who can hold onto the puck down low and create some space for his linemates, and that line was probably our best. It's a bit awkward having Kreider on his off-wing but there's not many great options on that line.

 

[haveandare]

My biggest gripe to what Quinn said in that video is just how he went about as saying

Someone on Twitter I follow described it like, have some tact and cushion the blow a little bit, use different words and be a bit more supporting of him publicly.

He has to know saying something like this is going to get people up in arms

Unless there was something else outside of that tweet, he said he’s going to have to adjust his game like all 18 year olds and they have no reservations about what they have in him it’ll just take time.

That’s totally fine imo

 

[haveandare]

It did make sense from the standpoint of adding a guy who can hold onto the puck down low and create some space for his linemates, and that line was probably our best. It's a bit awkward having Kreider on his off-wing but there's not many great options on that line.

Plus, for better or worse, we’re counting on him to carry a huge part of a second line. Right now he’s cold and not very confident. Give him some time with the top guys to get some mojo working and see if he can carry it back to the second line.

 

[Machinehead]

Just what you wanna hear

Didn't care that he did it to Chytil and Andersson because they're not getting by on talent alone.

In regards to Kakko, can take "non-negotiable" and stick it up his ass.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

It did make sense from the standpoint of adding a guy who can hold onto the puck down low and create some space for his linemates, and that line was probably our best. It's a bit awkward having Kreider on his off-wing but there's not many great options on that line.

Everything you described here is stuff that Kakko has been doing every game

 

[NY Lito]

I only have a few gripes with Quinn right now.

1) Kakko should be on PP1, really don’t understand how he isn’t. Maybe it’s to showcase Buch, no idea. I don’t think Buch should be a building piece going forward, so if that’s the case, okay I guess.

2) Andersson. Why this kid hasn’t gotten a real go at 2C yet is beyond me. He’s looked much better this season so far. We’ve only played 5 games so I’m not worried. But if it’s game 27 and Andersson is still on the 4th line it’s a different conversation for me.

 

[Raspewtin]

So last year Quinn got a crappy team to play hard every night and overachieve but after 4 games this season he needs to go?

how did they overachieve

they were one of the worst teams in the league in results and on paper

 

[Raspewtin]

also i don’t understand the idea that Kreider got “promoted” . Why look at it that way? Mixing up lines to find better chemistry is good and moving into a position with more potential chemistry shouldn’t be ignored because “they didn’t earn it”

 

[Irishguy42]

also i don’t understand the idea that Kreider got “promoted” . Why look at it that way? Mixing up lines to find better chemistry is good and moving into a position with more potential chemistry shouldn’t be ignored because “they didn’t earn it”

Yeah but that doesn't fit the narrative that Quinn is bad, so...

 

[Raspewtin]

“earning it” in general is such a stupid concept

hey Player X to show us you should play in this position that puts you in a much better place to succeed please blow the doors off of the bad situation you’re in now

 

[aufheben]

So let's just be clear here since you're not really addressing what I said and I just want to understand your position - you like icing a roster where three of our forwards are McKegg, Haley and Smith?

Well I'm not really sure what point you're making as a) all three of those players have only played 1 game together, b) Smith has actually been good, and c) David Quinn is not the person who signed them.

 

[True Blue]

Kreider being promoted to the top line, out of position, after the way he performed makes no sense.

And promoting an 18 year old with 5 games of NHL experience who has not exactly set the world afire makes more sense?

 

[True Blue]

how did they overachieve

they were one of the worst teams in the league in results and on paper

They should have been much worse and they did not concede an inch.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

And promoting an 18 year old with 5 games of NHL experience who has not exactly set the world afire makes more sense?

Kakko has played better than Kreider. If you're going to replace Buchnevich with one of them, it should be the one who has played better.

 

[True Blue]

Didn't care that he did it to Chytil and Andersson because they're not getting by on talent alone.

In regards to Kakko, can take "non-negotiable" and stick it up his ass.

Come again? There ARE things that are "non-negotiable". The faster Kakko learns that the better.

The youngsters are going to come against players that have more talent. That is where the "non-negotiables". Come in. Herb Brooks said it best.

 

[True Blue]

Kakko has played better than Kreider. If you're going to replace Buchnevich with one of them, it should be the one who has played better.

I LOVE Kakko's potential but let's not fool ourselves. He has been simply ok. Noting more. He also has played the game as if he weighs 94 instead of 194. He has done exactly diddly squat to show that he has earned a shot at the top line.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I LOVE Kakko's potential but let's not fool ourselves. He has been simply ok. Noting more. He also has played the game as if he weighs 94 instead of 194. He has done exactly diddly squat to show that he has earned a shot at the top line.

I never said Kakko has been great. But he has been better than Kreider. That's my point. If you're going to promote one of the two, it should not be Kreider

 

[True Blue]

I never said Kakko has been great. But he has been better than Kreider. That's my point. If you're going to promote one of the two, it should not be Kreider

Kakko has not been great. Kreider has not been great. All things being equal, the guy with the track record is going to get the so-called promotion ahead of the 18 year old with absolutely no track record.