Player Discussion David Quinn

[haveandare]

It's not an innate ability. I've seen them do it before.

The argument always comes up that old faces have no bearing on the new faces but for one, teams absolutely develop cultures, and Sather's people still run the team.

Glen Sather is the sitting President of the New York Rangers. The idea that we've completely changed is unfounded. Character and grit was always Sather's thing.

Drafting choices or trades, signings etc could plausibly be tied back to him in a potentially realistic way but the idea that game to game scratches or TOI decisions are being made by Sather or some anti-talent cabal that he installed is absolutely bonkers.

It is exponentially more likely that a new coach of a young team that isn't really trying to win right now is trying to mould certain young players into more complete versions of themselves so that when the team is trying to win they have everyone on the same page and playing the "right" way for the team and system.

 

[Machinehead]

Drafting choices or trades, signings etc could plausibly be tied back to him in a potentially realistic way but the idea that game to game scratches or TOI decisions are being made by Sather or some anti-talent cabal that he installed is absolutely bonkers.

It is exponentially more likely that a new coach of a young team that isn't really trying to win right now is trying to mould certain young players into more complete versions of themselves so that when the team is trying to win they have everyone on the same page and playing the "right" way for the team and system.

I never said Sather had anything to do with game-to-game decisions.

But he hand-picked and mentored Gorton for this job. Gorton hired Quinn.

I don't think Sather does much of anything, really, but the culture hasn't changed at all.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Absolutely, but other teams have top-end players and do stupid **** with their depth. I've accepted that fate if it comes to that.

The Rangers have always tried to build around character and fill-in talent via free agency.

Their most recent draft was promising, but I've seen nothing with the big club that indicates that philosophy has changed.

I mean, without having on of those top 2 picks that can step in right away, the big club philosophy isn’t really going to change until one of these kids can prove they’re a top end talent, no? And they haven’t really tried to get any big ticket free agents the past few years, except Shattenkirk who came to them with a contract that was a slam dunk for the Rangers

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

But you knew Pionk didn't belong in that response. You're the one playing dumb.

Yes, Quinn plays some talented players but only if they meet his qualifiers (whatever those are, I don't know exactly how he defines "the things I wanna see"). What we do know is that it has nothing to do with hockey ability, and that's abundantly clear from the choices he's making. Now we're in a situation where if you're not already one of his guys, being talented is a bad thing. This is evidenced by him continuing to bench talented players over McLeod who, to me, is soft, lazy, and immature. There's a perception (not just with Quinn) around the league that if you ****ing blow, you must be doing something, where often times, I don't find these players to be any more committed than their more talented counterparts. Now, given the choice between poor character and talented, and poor character and sucks, Quinn is literally going to punish players for being talented. That's what I mean by he hates talent.

That's not to say I put Pionk on the same level as McLeod who I think is just the most worthless human being drawing breath. I wouldn't say that. But do I look at Pionk and think "man, this guy really lays it all on the line"? No. **** no. He's just perceived as being that because he ****ing sucks. I could see that with McQuaid, he's legit, but not Pionk. Not that character ever mattered that much to me, but as long as we're measuring it, Pionk doesn't strike me as a player with outstanding character. His character gets a boost because he sucks, and now we're back to punishing players because they're talented.

Again, yes, Quinn plays talented players. A monkey could take talented players who also have "character" (depending on your perception of it) and insert them in the lineup. When he doesn't have that and he has to choose, Quinn has demonstrated that 1) he misidentifies sucking at hockey as character and 2) will choose character every single time, whether it's real (McQuaid) or not (McLeod). You know who that reminds me of? AV.

You talked about your passionate resistance to AV. I get that. That doesn't mean that just because we changed the smug and pompous attitude, we've changed the philosophy. You're certainly not the only one, many posters are guilty this season of letting Quinn get away with absolute murder because he's physically not Alain Vigneault.

Pionk did belong there with qualifiers which I provided, hence, not playing dumb.

He also was included bc of your penchant for shouting about grit conspiracy. A conspiracy that pionk clearly doesnt support.

There are vague hints (at best) that suggest that what you're adamant about is the absolute truth.

There are massive billboards with neon lights showing that there are completely different explanations for what we're seeing.

There's too much that contradicts everything you're saying here.

 

[Machinehead]

Pionk did belong there with qualifiers which I provided, hence, not playing dumb.

He also was included bc of your penchant for shouting about grit conspiracy. A conspiracy that pionk clearly doesnt support.

There are vague hints (at best) that suggest that what you're adamant about is the absolute truth.

There are massive billboards with neon lights showing that there are completely different explanations for what we're seeing.

There's too much that contradicts everything you're saying here.

I understand everyone's penchant for wanting to believe the other explanations. It takes more muscles to frown than to smile, as they say.

Am I saying they're not possible? No. Am I saying you're dumb for believing them? No.

But for me personally, I've been burned by this team with the same shit for too long to believe anything else.

At some point, this team will be competing again. Either it will be in practice as the team's talent level has increased (hoping for this one) or the timeline will simply dictate that it's time to do something else. (I don't see Guitar Jimmy spinning his wheels for 5+ years, rebuilds hurt attendance)

When that happens, if Pionk isn't playing huge minutes for this club, feel free to bump this and laugh at me.

 

[duhmetreE]

Logic vs Emotion

So, how do you feel about < insert player/coach >

 

[JCProdigy]

Glen Sather is the sitting President of the New York Rangers. The idea that we've completely changed is unfounded. Character and grit was always Sather's thing.

Except his trade history as the GM of the Rangers really doesn't reflect that at all.

 

[True Blue]

This is always the case for players and teams. Teams and players that are bad almost always have the reputation of being hard workers due to fans/media needing to rationalize some reason that they are in the NHL. Since it's nothing to do with their skill it comes down to declaring them hard workers.

Skill and hard work are hardly mutually inclusive. But they need not be mutually exclusive. Choice is ALWAYS up to the player.

 

[True Blue]

So when did he do it besides the two times he did it?

Please speak coherently. Not understanding what you are saying.

The only time McLeod ever makes himself visible is when he's taking a dumb penalty or mouthing off to someone before hiding behind the ref. Otherwise he loafs around the ice. Even if you value intimidation, McLeod doesn't bring it. He's a candy ass. He's fought more officials this year than opponents.

Spoken like a true person that has never touched the skates in his life. McLeod is a candy ass? This has NOTHING to do with intimidation, but please continue to misrepresent the facts at your leisure.

Wrong.

Right. See how easy that is?

You may not want to believe it but that's how it works in this league.

Baseless conjecture does not a case make

You can play the appeal to the authority card all you want and word it whatever sensationalist way you want. Yes, your best defenseman should be on the ice. It's simple.

Perfect. The prodigy now no longer has to answer to anyone and should be allowed to do whatever he feels like. Why not anoint the prophet of hockey as GM?

Ever notice how every single unskilled player, without fail, is one of the hardest workers in the league? Doesn't that seem unlikely to you?

I have never noticed that

The fact that you think lazy, soft McLeod brings it every shift and brings attitude is proof that this perception is a thing.

Hello? Oh, it's the pot. The kettle is on line 1.

As I've said over and over again, it's just the Rangers valuing character over skill like they always have. They were doing the exact same **** in 2015 when we were the best team in the league.

You really should read up on the history of your favorite team before making statements like that.

 

[Leetch3]

dumb people would freak out cause he's a devil...but i'd fully be on board with this coaching change idea

 

[Mac n Gs]

dumb people would freak out cause he's a devil...but i'd fully be on board with this coaching change idea

IIRC, he stepped down from as a coach with the Wild because he wanted to be with his family. Maybe being in NY for half the season would help, but I'm not sure if he'd be willing to come back to coaching. However, he's a good idea for a hire, and I think Brooksie has mentioned his name a few times. Brad Shaw is another one who's been linked to us before he went to CBJ.

 

[True Blue]

dumb people would freak out cause he's a devil...but i'd fully be on board with this coaching change idea

I have wanted this for a while. Who cares about him being a Devil?

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

I have wanted this for a while. Who cares about him being a Devil?

If they can hand over the head coaching job to Bryan Trottier...

Just make sure Stevens hand-writes his application.

 

[egelband]

I don't mind that he was a Devil either. I actually don't hate the Devils anyhow. But even if I did I wouldn't mind. I bet he'd be a terrific assistant.
That said, re Stevens, in light of what we've learned over the past 15 years or so, I don't like his style of play. But in context, he was a great player. And were he playing today i think he would be able to toe the line. Just a guess. But I don't think it's that difficult to follow the rules and most players do. No reason Stevens wouldn't, were three rules different.

 

[NYR]

I'm glad I was the one to bring back this thread lol.
DQ GTFO!

 

[JohnC]

Watching the Yanks so I wasn’t paying the closest attention....am I high or did I see Brendan Smith on the ice as an extra attacker?

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Quinn was LVP tonight.

 

[UnSandvich]

Watching the Yanks so I wasn’t paying the closest attention....am I high or did I see Brendan Smith on the ice as an extra attacker?

Nope, if anyone's high it was Quinn, considering that decision

 

[Inferno]

Nope, if anyone's high it was Quinn, considering that decision

Smith was easily one of our better forwards tobight tho.


I disagree with Quinn's assessment of the team..I felt like we looked pretty flat.

Kakko looked great tho

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

I am still confused about this coach, wasn't he brought in to roll all 4 lines? Because essentially he just plays 3 lines. We should have thrown millions at Joel Quenneville when he became available.

 

[Chaels Arms]

Considering that 2 out of the 3 members of that 4th line are Gregg Mckegg and Michael Haley I don't blame him for only wanting to play 3 lines.

 

[JC704]

Considering that 2 out of the 3 members of that 4th line are Gregg Mckegg and Michael Haley I don't blame him for only wanting to play 3 lines.

Enormous issue that this is even a thing. I'm fine with McKegg because he's a 12/13th forward, but considering what the Rangers have elsewhere, the fact he isn't using it is starting to give me bad vibes about him.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

He’s either 100% in on the tank or not an NHL coach. Either way it bodes we’ll for our lottery position.

 

[Machinehead]

Considering that 2 out of the 3 members of that 4th line are Gregg Mckegg and Michael Haley I don't blame him for only wanting to play 3 lines.

The third member is Lias Andersson; that's where it draws a bit of ire.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Watching the Yanks so I wasn’t paying the closest attention....am I high or did I see Brendan Smith on the ice as an extra attacker?

You are not high that was real life. I said the same thing as I was at the game. Smith has to have naked pictures of Quinn at this point to make that any way realistic. Absolute joke.