Player Discussion David Quinn: Part V

[JHS]

It's not about defending Quinn, it's about being reasonable. Mika's horrendous start, Panarins run in with the KGB, no preseason, young team, poor goaltending to start the season,. These things all happened, they are irrefutable. Reasonable people look at this and say, I'm shocked this team's record is as good as it is. Others, like you, use it to push an agenda. I mean, weren't you the dude who called Mika and Kreider locker room cancers earlier in the season? Not reasonable, my guy. Personally, I didn't care if they kept Quinn or dumped him at the end of the season but now I hope they keep him if for no other reason than to just annoy you guys.

A true sign of a fan right there- would rather see the team suffer just to spite some internet group...

The Rangers have, currently on their roster, the first overall pick, a second overall pick( both dubbed as NHL ready and immediate contributors by most scouts/draft experts,) A top 5 wing in the game, a bonified top line center, Buch whose having a career year, a steal in Miller who is a shut down defensmen in his first year in the league, and top half NHL goalie. Oh and let's not forget the Rangers have the leading defensmen in points right now... not exactly a roster devoid of talent or production. Sure the team had set backs but every team does. Pointing those things out does not advance the defense of Quinn at all.

However, with your pathetically low standards I guess we should be thankful Quinn has them putting on both skates on the right feet each night. Another Quinn "realist" who chose to not point out anything the guy does average or above average. I guess I'll take that as another one who can't.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Well, hell, I'll throw another log on the fire, I'd resign Smith as a 7th defenseman (the JJ role) and 13th forward if the price is right...

I like how you think.

 

[JHS]

You constantly take hyperbole as truth, treat your opinion as fact and seemingly be the sole arbiter of what is fair. Why would anyone accept your "invitation?"

If my opinion reads as fact, perhaps it's because it is close or as close to fact as you would find on here. I'm open to having the discussion about what the current coach of the team does above average. I've yet to see anyone point out anything. I had no issue pointing out several things he does below average.

 

[WojtekWolski86]

There are posters that all they post is defenses of Quinn whenever someone in any thread dares criticize him. How are we supposed to take that?

Dares criticize him? Its every thread ad nauseum. It's easy to point the finger at one person.

There's clearly a disconnect between Quinn's message and what the team executes (especially in losses). Majority of our losses have been the East West/Perimeter hockey variety and Quinn has consistently stated he wants more North/South hockey. Then you have the players after those losses state that they failed to play North/South and simplify their game.

The question is do the players have a mental block where they regress back to their bad habits or do they purposefully ignore the coaches desires? I know what the Quinn haters will answer, but this is the crux of the issue with this team and will determine whether Quinn is truly the problem or the players.

I don't think Quinn or any coach for that matter is the end all be all. A coach and the players is often a marriage that needs compatibility.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

There are posters that all they post is defenses of Quinn whenever someone in any thread dares criticize him. How are we supposed to take that?

I'm really not sure that there are people that "defend Quinn", but a lot of us criticize the criticisms people level at him. Those aren't the same thing. For that matter, I'm not sure that Quinn needs defending.

 

[Graves97]

And the last two seasons have been completely irregular with starts and stops, shortened seasons, playing at times when guys aren't used to playing.

Really unfair how the Rangers are the only team in the league forced to deal with these circumstances.

 

[huerter]

Fanbase hates their coach. No way.

Doesn't make it rational.

 

[duhmetreE]

You have been told mulitple times by multiple posters as to the reasoning and the start. Yet you continue to die on the same hill.

So yes, you continue to refuse to answer the question as it will do nothing but muddy a fairly non-existent narrative. In the meantime, please continue to live in the land of make believe.

On Saturday, Rangers coach David Quinn laid out his plan to alternate goalies Igor Shesterkin and Alexandar Georgiev every other game. Two games later, Shesterkin is set to start a second straight game, Thursday against the Capitals.

What happened after Saturday night’s game — when Tony DeAngelo got into a physical altercation with Georgiev following the overtime loss — played a role in Quinn’s decision, as did Shesterkin’s performance Monday in stopping 25 of 26 shots in a 3-1 win over the Penguins.

“Just under the circumstances, Georgie’s been through a lot the last 48 hours, and maybe give him another day or two to kind of unwind a little bit and get back into the groove of things,” Quinn said Wednesday. “And Shesty played well, so we are going to play Shesty [Thursday], for a variety of reasons.”
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Quinn could opt to ride with rookie Igor Shesterkin, who is coming off his third-straight win — and a convincing one at that. Or, he could turn to Alexandar Georgiev, whose turn was skipped in Quinn’s initial alternating plan because he wanted to rest the Bulgarian netminder Thursday after an eventful 48 hours.

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You cherry picked a date to where Georgiev was 'given time off' to argue something no one is/was arguing. It's quite astonishing... really.

But to play along;

-Last 10 games before Shesterkins injury. Shesterkin started 6 out of 10.

-At the day of his injury, he started 13 out of 21 ( 62% ). That's INCLUDING the 3 game 'time off' Georgiev received after his OT debacle against Pittsburgh.. ( WHICH GEORGIEV SHOULDNT HAVE STARTED TO BEGIN WITH.. ).

THE ENTIRE ARGUMENT IS SHESTY WAS NOT GETTING #1 TIME. WHICH HE WAS NOT.

NOW Shesty is getting #1 time.... Hence my post that you felt compelled to reply to, 'Shesty would not have started this game if it were January and/or February. '

but there wasn't a goalie rotation plan in effect. There wasn't 1a/1b... It's all made up

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Really unfair how the Rangers are the only team in the league forced to deal with these circumstances.

That's hardly my point.

 

[True Blue]

but there wasn't a goalie rotation plan in effect. There wasn't 1a/1b... It's all made up

Let's try one more time for the simple. Since the 9th game of the season, what has the split been?

Let us also ask this question. How many games have there been after the 8th game? Confidence building question. Come on. You can do it.

 

[Off Sides]

I'll agree with those saying that Quinn is a pretty average coach and most coaches are pretty average. They all do the same stuff for the most part. Rangers did about what I expected them to do this year.

That being said, the in-game adjustments need to happen quicker. Some coaches make adjustments when they see a line or pair struggling. To me Quinn and company are a little behind in that area. If a line stinks in the first period, play the other lines a little more. If a player is going, and another struggling, just pull the trigger and find a way to give the former some more ice time. It's relatively small stuff yet it adds up to a couple less loses here and there.

 

[True Blue]

If my opinion reads as fact, perhaps it's because it is close or as close to fact as you would find on here.

Isn't this in fact, an opinion? I have met some opinions in my time. Pretty sure that they look like this.

 

[True Blue]

It's a vicious combination or frustration and impatience. And the only cure is red meat.

The redder the better.

 

[haveandare]

There have been plenty, plenty of games they have won and they came out flat or a step behind. Its a common theme with this team under this coach. Its not dramatic, its reality

Every single team ever has plenty of games that they win but don’t stay a step head of start to finish. The other teams are also top flight professionals - it’s very rare to win a game with a very consistent effort start to finish.

 

[True Blue]

Maybe add in an extended Smith for some extra fun.

Ohhhh........now you are just being a tease.

 

[Ola]

You can go through 53 pages of this thread and not find one post stating "it's never the coaches fault."

Or one poster that agrees with another poster on everything.

To be honest, I think a lot of criticism of DQ is misguided.

Mixing up the lines too much, not having the team prepared for the drop of the puck, playing Howden and/or playing him too much, etc etc etc.

Also, I think a not insignificant chunk of this team’s struggles this year should be attributed to the fact that our 3rd D pairing is just far from good enough.

Also II, while I think DQs goalie rotation — ‘play to you lose’-stylish — is unintelligent and ineffective, our goaltending hasn’t been good enough either.

With that said, I think he is just very incompetent and my big issue is actually not so much that DQ causes this team to underperform, as it is that I just think he is a net negative. We aren’t focusing on the right things. And his treatment of Laf and Kakko is also incompetent.

 

[aufheben]

You can go through 53 pages of this thread and not find one post stating "it's never the coaches fault."

I think people may find and/or invent polar opinions to their own to make theirs seem less extreme

 

[aufheben]

Or one post that says "David Quinn is an amazing coach" or "I agree with everything he does."

Shit, even just the amount of people who don’t hate him is like...5?

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Or one poster that agrees with another poster on everything.

To be honest, I think a lot of criticism of DQ is misguided.

Mixing up the lines too much, not having the team prepared for the drop of the puck, playing Howden and/or playing him too much, etc etc etc.

Also, I think a not insignificant chunk of this team’s struggles this year should be attributed to the fact that our 3rd D pairing is just far from good enough.

Also II, while I think DQs goalie rotation — ‘play to you lose’-stylish — is unintelligent and ineffective, our goaltending hasn’t been good enough either.

With that said, I think he is just very incompetent and my big issue is actually not so much that DQ causes this team to underperform, as it is that I just think he is a net negative. We aren’t focusing on the right things. And his treatment of Laf and Kakko is also incompetent.

You make some great points and I get where you’re coming from. I disagree he’s incompetent or treating Lay or Kakko poorly. He gave Laff too much leeway to start the season in my opinion.

 

[aufheben]

You make some great points and I get where you’re coming from. I disagree he’s incompetent or treating Lay or Kakko poorly. He gave Laff too much leeway to start the season in my opinion.

I don’t think people realize how much opportunity this organization has literally handed to Kakko and Lafreniere (which is obviously the correct thing to do.) 0 AHL games. 0 scratches. Their first shifts were in an NHL top-six, PP spot included.

 

[Irishguy42]

I don’t think people realize how much opportunity this organization has literally handed to Kakko and Lafreniere (which is obviously the correct thing to do.) 0 AHL games. 0 scratches. Their first shifts were in an NHL top-six, PP spot included.

"but muh Quinn scratched them for a few stretches in the middle of periods in the season" And?

"but Quinn doesn't give them PP time!" They are 7th and 9th in PP time on a team that heavily relies on PP1, which is a fine strategy, mind you (the next player above Laf is Buch, with ~42 more minutes)

"Blackwell gets more PP time than Laf does!" Laf literally has ~18 more minutes of PP time than Blackwell, chill.

 

[CLW]

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[Pawnee Rangers]

I don’t think people realize how much opportunity this organization has literally handed to Kakko and Lafreniere (which is obviously the correct thing to do.) 0 AHL games. 0 scratches. Their first shifts were in an NHL top-six, PP spot included.

Agreed. There were times this season he was flat out awful and Quinn kept playing him.

 

[aufheben]

03-22-2021–04-23-2021

Chytil / 17 GP / 11 PTS
Kakko / 18 GP / 10 PTS
Lafreniere / 18 GP / 8 PTS

Average / 82 GP / 45 PTS

 

[aufheben]

It's not about defending Quinn, it's about being reasonable.

This approx. x1,000. I don’t even think much about Quinn one way or the other. He’s an ordinary, milquetoast NHL coach as far as I’m concerned.

When this team is ready a more extreme coach will be hired to push them to the edge.

Good luck finding that ideal of consistency in a sport dominated by chaos during which most matches aren’t far removed from coin flips. Yeah it’s a basic concept to simply win games by sheer willpower...until you realize the opponent is trying to do the same thing to you.