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Player Discussion David Quinn: Part V

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JHS said:
Coaches doing well and producing consistent results don't need defending-- their own abilities speak for themselves. Same with players. What drives me crazy about the defenders of Quinn is they use circular logic to defend the guy. " Well he's got a young team so he can't be held accountable for the obvious mistakes."....next poster points out decisions he's directly made that contribute to the poor play... " Well if he had better players who were more experienced he'd be better." ...next poster points out flaws in the system... " Well if the players were more experienced we could evaluate his system better." These types of arguments abound here and it's insufferable because one side ( the anti Quinn group) is talking about the here and now and the other side ( defenders of Quinn) just make up, while true in their wording, complete excuses that are not based on the team he is coaching. He was charged with coaching a young team filled with inexperienced players.

He has to be judged based on how he's done with that roster.
He's done a poor to below average job developing players,
He's done a poor to below average job giving the team an identity
He's done a poor to below average job meeting management's objectives( making the team tougher to play against- stated after the bubble last year.)
He's done a poor to below average job consistently motivating the more experienced guys

He's done an average to above average job getting teh team's record to slightly above .500
He's done an average to above average job getting the team to play a few meaningful games and make a push this season

If anyone else would like to contribute to what he's done average to above average I'm happy to read it.
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Maybe it's not people using "circular logic" and more about you having a bad opinion. I'd look into that if I were you.
 
Bob Richards said:
I feel like I'm living in a different reality because this simply does not happen lol.

The "Quinnbros" dismiss some of these criticisms because like 99% of the coaches in the league do the exact same thing. Outside of less than a handful of guys, NHL coaches are like an indistinguishable mass of flesh. Different faces all connected to the same body lmfao.

I don't even like Quinn (I just don't hate him). Somehow people hold this false belief that we have posters erecting Quinn statues like he's Benito Mussolini because they love him so much? Its so over the top and dramatic.

People don't defend Quinn because they think he's an infallible God-Man and the greatest coach of all time. They defend him because his decisions are par for the course and would have likely been mirrored by any of the other coaching options we could have hired lol.

This thread is wild haha.
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Boom.
 
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Bleed Ranger Blue said:
Maybe it's not people using "circular logic" and more about you having a bad opinion. I'd look into that if I were you.
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Case and point to why the Pro Quinn posters are insufferable. I invited you and others to contribute to what he's done average to above average and you insult me--rather than point anything of value out.. Honestly par for the course around here. Care to contribute anything of meaning or are you just going to further prove my point about the Quinnbro crowd?

My post is literally SPOT on in terms of fairness to Quinn. But, maybe try to contribute something more than an insult and I'll see if we can continue this conversation.
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
David Quinn is presiding over the youngest team in the league and both him and the roster are going to be inconsistent, despite the myriad of posters making the illogical leap that they shouldn't be.
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And the last two seasons have been completely irregular with starts and stops, shortened seasons, playing at times when guys aren't used to playing.
 
As usual what’s cartoonish is just posters discussing posters. These topics get meta so quickly. None of what actually gets talked about is Quinn.
 
JHS said:
Case and point to why the Pro Quinn posters are insufferable. I invited you and others to contribute to what he's done average to above average and you insult me--rather than point anything of value out.. Honestly par for the course around here. Care to contribute anything of meaning or are you just going to further prove my point about the Quinnbro crowd?

My post is literally SPOT on in terms of fairness to Quinn. But, maybe try to contribute something more than an insult and I'll see if we can continue this conversation.
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Im not pro-Quinn, per SE.

But I am pro context, and your opinion is completely, utterly, and shamelessly devoid of it.
 
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Bob Richards said:
I feel like I'm living in a different reality because this simply does not happen lol.

The "Quinnbros" dismiss some of these criticisms because like 99% of the coaches in the league do the exact same thing. Outside of less than a handful of guys, NHL coaches are like an indistinguishable mass of flesh. Different faces all connected to the same body lmfao.

I don't even like Quinn (I just don't hate him). Somehow people hold this false belief that we have posters erecting Quinn statues like he's Benito Mussolini because they love him so much? Its so over the top and dramatic.

People don't defend Quinn because they think he's an infallible God-Man and the greatest coach of all time. They defend him because his decisions are par for the course and would have likely been mirrored by any of the other coaching options we could have hired lol.

This thread is wild haha.
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There are posters that all they post is defenses of Quinn whenever someone in any thread dares criticize him. How are we supposed to take that?
 
SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
I don't understand why this sentiment is so easily glossed over by some. I'm necessarily pro-Quinn per se, either. But I am willing to look beyond just coaching as to reasons why the team like the Rangers is playing like a team like the Rangers.
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It's almost as if there's something comforting and easy (I'd call it lazy) to nail the coach to the cross. It's been happening on this board for several years now.

It's a lot more difficult to grapple with the fact that the Rangers weren't going to be a very good team for several years no matter who the coach is.
 
SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
I don't understand why this sentiment is so easily glossed over by some. I'm necessarily pro-Quinn per se, either. But I am willing to look beyond just coaching as to reasons why the team like the Rangers is playing like a team like the Rangers.
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The fact that all conversations in this thread by the Bros have to be started that way, should tell you something.
 
SnowblindNYR said:
There are posters that all they post is defenses of Quinn whenever someone in any thread dares criticize him. How are we supposed to take that?
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It's not about defending Quinn, it's about being reasonable. Mika's horrendous start, Panarins run in with the KGB, no preseason, young team, poor goaltending to start the season,. These things all happened, they are irrefutable. Reasonable people look at this and say, I'm shocked this team's record is as good as it is. Others, like you, use it to push an agenda. I mean, weren't you the dude who called Mika and Kreider locker room cancers earlier in the season? Not reasonable, my guy. Personally, I didn't care if they kept Quinn or dumped him at the end of the season but now I hope they keep him if for no other reason than to just annoy you guys.
 
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Pawnee Rangers said:
Personally, I didn't care if they kept Quinn or dumped him at the end of the season but now I hope they keep him if for no other reason than to just annoy you guys.
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Have no fear. You will be hearing the gnashing of teeth all summer long. Then camp will start. Then they will wonder what Gorton is waiting for. Then the season will start. And the next Quinn thread will go up. And it will look a lot like this one.
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
Im not pro-Quinn, per SE.

But I am pro context, and your opinion is completely, utterly, and shamelessly devoid of it.
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So once again you are choosing to ignore my invitation to contribute anything meaningful. I'll take that as you can't. Again I pointed out the team is young, inexperienced and I also pointed out how they remain that. Again, your response is case and point to why it is insufferable to discus anything here. I attempt to move the conversation along and am met with personal insults and nothing more. Argue for the sake or arguing is what I call that. Some may call it dense.
 
haveandare said:
Accurate is what you just said. Saying they’ve been inconsistent every night all year is dramatic hyperbole
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There have been plenty, plenty of games they have won and they came out flat or a step behind. Its a common theme with this team under this coach. Its not dramatic, its reality
 
True Blue said:
Have no fear. You will be hearing the gnashing of teeth all summer long. Then camp will start. Then they will wonder what Gorton is waiting for. Then the season will start. And the next Quinn thread will go up. And it will look a lot like this one.
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It's a vicious combination or frustration and impatience. And the only cure is red meat.
 
True Blue said:
Have no fear. You will be hearing the gnashing of teeth all summer long. Then camp will start. Then they will wonder what Gorton is waiting for. Then the season will start. And the next Quinn thread will go up. And it will look a lot like this one.
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Maybe add in an extended Smith for some extra fun.
 
JHS said:
So once again you are choosing to ignore my invitation to contribute anything meaningful. I'll take that as you can't. Again I pointed out the team is young, inexperienced and I also pointed out how they remain that. Again, your response is case and point to why it is insufferable to discus anything here. I attempt to move the conversation along and am met with personal insults and nothing more. Argue for the sake or arguing is what I call that. Some may call it dense.
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You constantly take hyperbole as truth, treat your opinion as fact and seemingly be the sole arbiter of what is fair. Why would anyone accept your "invitation?"
 
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