Player Discussion David Quinn: Part V

[TheDirtyH]

Nope, when AV started to lose the team he switched to “they”. Any more valuable insights?

So ive posted a video from his final terrible season filled with "we" and "us"

And youve posted "bc i said so..."

 

[JHS]

How do you know they could have had Trotz?

I'd bet he wouldn't have taken a spot on a rebuilding team.

I think Quinn will survive and the team will be in the playoffs next season. At some point, he'll join the coaching carousel.

I don't know they could have had Trotz, but that's not my fault. The organization rushed head long into getting a coach that they easily could have waited to get.

 

[chosen]

I don't know they could have had Trotz, but that's not my fault. The organization rushed head long into getting a coach that they easily could have waited to get.

They wanted him and they got him, whether it works out or not.

 

[JHS]

They wanted him and they got him, whether it works out or not.

Ok but can't you see the obvious issue here with managing the team. There was 0 reason to hire the coach before the season fully ended. They did not even wait to allow themselves the chance to see who was out there. It's just terribly illogical to make decisions this way. The only justification the organization has ever given was " well we wanted the coach in place well before the draft." Anyone who falls for that is truly gullible.

Anyway, I've gone down this hole before here and the blind loyalty of some to the decision making makes it impossible for me to make headway on this point.

 

[ThirdEye]

Quinn's ineffectiveness is being exacerbated by there not being a defacto leader on this team that can motivate the players when the coach can't. I'm not absolving each player for their responsibility to motivate themselves, but when you have a team with so many young players with yet-to-be-defined roles you need someone capable of steering the ship. I like Panarin and Zib quite a bit, but these aren't guys that are going to call players out or rally the troops for big games. Kreider seemed like he was maybe in that mold but his recent play during our most important stretch has shown that he clearly lacks what it takes to be that person.

In that respect I miss Callahan quite a bit. Was hardly the most skilled player on the team, but I have no doubt in my mind he was a good captain. We know he showed it on the ice and I can't say for sure but am confident he was a respected presence in the locker room. Same can probably be said about Hank as well

 

[LetsGoRangers2021]

Quinn's ineffectiveness is being exacerbated by there not being a defacto leader on this team that can motivate the players when the coach can't. I'm not absolving each player for their responsibility to motivate themselves, but when you have a team with so many young players with yet-to-be-defined roles you need someone capable of steering the ship. I like Panarin and Zib quite a bit, but these aren't guys that are going to call players out or rally the troops for big games. Kreider seemed like he was maybe in that mold but his recent play during our most important stretch has shown that he clearly lacks what it takes to be that person.

In that respect I miss Callahan quite a bit. Was hardly the most skilled player on the team, but I have no doubt in my mind he was a good captain. We know he showed it on the ice and I can't say for sure but am confident he was a respected presence in the locker room. Same can probably be said about Hank as well

I agree wholeheartedly. I also think the kids could lead themselves. Within the next few years, the leaders will emerge. I see Laf being one of them in every way.

None of the vets on this team have it.

 

[RGY]

I would like to look at Savard as an add for the Offense/PP coach

 

[True Blue]

Where is @True Blue at?

Did he get banned for flaming? lol

Flaming what?

 

[True Blue]

Do I really want to do what? Talk about what actually happened again? Why not game 1? or game 8? Why the game after Georgiev punched ADA with the blocker? That game? That's not being disingenuous at all.. Georgiev wasn't available for the following few games... so if we're using your arbitrary metrics, game 9, 10 and 11 do not count, since Georgiev wasn't 'available'.

Let it go. Contort and revision all you want... It does not change the fact of the matter.

P.S.- you think Shesterkin would be starting this game in January and February? after coming off that Islander game?

You have been told mulitple times by multiple posters as to the reasoning and the start. Yet you continue to die on the same hill.

So yes, you continue to refuse to answer the question as it will do nothing but muddy a fairly non-existent narrative. In the meantime, please continue to live in the land of make believe.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

This thread is spectacular.

 

[Ola]

Quinn's ineffectiveness is being exacerbated by there not being a defacto leader on this team that can motivate the players when the coach can't. I'm not absolving each player for their responsibility to motivate themselves, but when you have a team with so many young players with yet-to-be-defined roles you need someone capable of steering the ship. I like Panarin and Zib quite a bit, but these aren't guys that are going to call players out or rally the troops for big games. Kreider seemed like he was maybe in that mold but his recent play during our most important stretch has shown that he clearly lacks what it takes to be that person.

In that respect I miss Callahan quite a bit. Was hardly the most skilled player on the team, but I have no doubt in my mind he was a good captain. We know he showed it on the ice and I can't say for sure but am confident he was a respected presence in the locker room. Same can probably be said about Hank as well

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and this is just mine, but from my POV the inconsistency in our efforts and stuff like that is classic symptoms on when there is a big disconnect between the players and the coach. No clear focus, players pulling in different directions and so forth.

As to absolving the players, I actually don't think they should be absolved. It is another topic, but it is hard to see anything good ever coming form not doing what the coach says. They are part of this mess too.

 

[Ola]

I would like to look at Savard as an add for the Offense/PP coach

I really think someone with experience of the NHL should be a part of our next coaching staff, that can help to guide kids like Laf and Kakko.

Its not an easy job choosing a coach. I wouldn't against tapping into some of our more recent players in that regard. There have been talks about coaching experience, but I think that is a big issue if you haven't played in a while. Beaver, MSL, Cally, Girardi, Hank and co. Think someone like that might have the qualitites.

 

[True Blue]

This thread is spectacular.

Oh, you really do not do that word justice.

It has become Hall of Fame worthy.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Efforts like last night happen all too often under this Coach.

the veteran players know they are making their money and don't care about the team, team was not ready happened under AV how many times we had to come back to tie to just lose the game or scored 3 in the first to lose 6-3 after they quit skating while Tanner was getting those big minutes AV does not have a CUP with teams that had hall of fame goaltending. he is a playoff choker for a reason. i rather know we suck than go on a run only to choke the AV way. they need a Torts Laviolette type. players need structure and accountability. the vets know they won't get scratched unless DeAngelo type of drama happens.

 

[RGY]

This thread is spectacular.

You know what’s spectacular, having a team that has provided an inconsistent effort every night dating back to last year, from the Vets to the Rookies. The whole team. That is truly spectacular. But I guess wanting a team that provides a consistent effort and having an identity is just way too much to ask. Way too much. Its never the Coaches fault, just the players.

 

[haveandare]

You know what’s spectacular, having a team that has provided an inconsistent effort every night dating back to last year, from the Vets to the Rookies. The whole team. That is truly spectacular. But I guess wanting a team that provides a consistent effort and having an identity is just way too much to ask. Way too much. Its never the Coaches fault, just the players.

Nobody is saying it’s never the coaches fault. And they’ve absolutely had consistent efforts many nights. Inconsistent efforts happen to literally every team in the league, this team has too many imo but to say they’re never consistent is dramatic

 

[RGY]

Nobody is saying it’s never the coaches fault. And they’ve absolutely had consistent efforts many nights. Inconsistent efforts happen to literally every team in the league, this team has too many imo but to say they’re never consistent is dramatic

When you have way more inconsistent efforts than consistent efforts, when those are more the norm, then it isn’t one bit dramatic, its just accurate.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

You know what’s spectacular, having a team that has provided an inconsistent effort every night dating back to last year, from the Vets to the Rookies. The whole team. That is truly spectacular. But I guess wanting a team that provides a consistent effort and having an identity is just way too much to ask. Way too much. Its never the Coaches fault, just the players.

You can go through 53 pages of this thread and not find one post stating "it's never the coaches fault."

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

You can through 53 pages of this thread and not find one post stating "it's never the coaches fault."

Or one post that says "David Quinn is an amazing coach" or "I agree with everything he does."

 

[aufheben]

When you have way more inconsistent efforts than consistent efforts, when those are more the norm, then it isn’t one bit dramatic, its just accurate.

It would be accurate if you had evidence that the Rangers a) do this, and b) do it more than other teams.

 

[True Blue]

Nobody is saying it’s never the coaches fault. And they’ve absolutely had consistent efforts many nights. Inconsistent efforts happen to literally every team in the league, this team has too many imo but to say they’re never consistent is dramatic

Especially to such a young team whose performance was expected to be like a roller coaster.

 

[Bob Richards]

I'm pretty sure Quinn's mom doesn't have the unconditional love for him that a few posters on HFNYR have. I've never seen a coach or player defended more for doing less and I'm not counting our 18/19 year olds at least that's understandable. Great ice time again for this douchebag. Took him 56 minutes to put that switch Kravtsov and Blackwell.

I feel like I'm living in a different reality because this simply does not happen lol.

The "Quinnbros" dismiss some of these criticisms because like 99% of the coaches in the league do the exact same thing. Outside of less than a handful of guys, NHL coaches are like an indistinguishable mass of flesh. Different faces all connected to the same body lmfao.

I don't even like Quinn (I just don't hate him). Somehow people hold this false belief that we have posters erecting Quinn statues like he's Benito Mussolini because they love him so much? Its so over the top and dramatic.

People don't defend Quinn because they think he's an infallible God-Man and the greatest coach of all time. They defend him because his decisions are par for the course and would have likely been mirrored by any of the other coaching options we could have hired lol.

This thread is wild haha.

 

[Harbour Dog]

I feel like I'm living in a different reality because this simply does not happen lol.

The "Quinnbros" dismiss some of these criticisms because like 99% of the coaches in the league do the exact same thing. Outside of less than a handful of guys, NHL coaches are like an indistinguishable mass of flesh. Different faces all connected to the same body lmfao.

I don't even like Quinn (I just don't hate him). Somehow people hold this false belief that we have posters erecting Quinn statues like he's Benito Mussolini because they love him so much? Its so over the top and dramatic.

People don't defend Quinn because they think he's an infallible God-Man and the greatest coach of all time. They defend him because his decisions are par for the course and would have likely been mirrored by any of the other coaching options we could have hired lol.

This thread is wild haha.

I think that if you polled people to rate Quinn from 1-10, the most common results would be 1 and 5. Makes for some less than constructive conversations haha

 

[RGY]

It would be accurate if you had evidence that the Rangers a) do this, and b) do it more than other teams.

Everything needs to be quantified. I know its impossible for anyone to gauge something to make an assessment without quantification. It is merely impossible that something could hold true if it is not quantified, even though I have yet to see an advanced metric that measures effort from game to game.

What a f***ing absurd position to take as a rebuttal...

 

[JHS]

I feel like I'm living in a different reality because this simply does not happen lol.

The "Quinnbros" dismiss some of these criticisms because like 99% of the coaches in the league do the exact same thing. Outside of less than a handful of guys, NHL coaches are like an indistinguishable mass of flesh. Different faces all connected to the same body lmfao.

I don't even like Quinn (I just don't hate him). Somehow people hold this false belief that we have posters erecting Quinn statues like he's Benito Mussolini because they love him so much? Its so over the top and dramatic.

People don't defend Quinn because they think he's an infallible God-Man and the greatest coach of all time. They defend him because his decisions are par for the course and would have likely been mirrored by any of the other coaching options we could have hired lol.

This thread is wild haha.

Coaches doing well and producing consistent results don't need defending-- their own abilities speak for themselves. Same with players. What drives me crazy about the defenders of Quinn is they use circular logic to defend the guy. " Well he's got a young team so he can't be held accountable for the obvious mistakes."....next poster points out decisions he's directly made that contribute to the poor play... " Well if he had better players who were more experienced he'd be better." ...next poster points out flaws in the system... " Well if the players were more experienced we could evaluate his system better." These types of arguments abound here and it's insufferable because one side ( the anti Quinn group) is talking about the here and now and the other side ( defenders of Quinn) just make up, while true in their wording, complete excuses that are not based on the team he is coaching. He was charged with coaching a young team filled with inexperienced players.

He has to be judged based on how he's done with that roster.
He's done a poor to below average job developing players,
He's done a poor to below average job giving the team an identity
He's done a poor to below average job meeting management's objectives( making the team tougher to play against- stated after the bubble last year.)
He's done a poor to below average job consistently motivating the more experienced guys

He's done an average to above average job getting teh team's record to slightly above .500
He's done an average to above average job getting the team to play a few meaningful games and make a push this season

If anyone else would like to contribute to what he's done average to above average I'm happy to read it.