Player Discussion David Quinn: Part II

[Mikos87]

Shouldve signed Keefe, assuming we were serious when we interviewed him. Feel like I'm watching a college coach try to coach against the NHL

Keefe and Dubas have worked together their managerial careers. I don't think that was going to change.

 

[Doctyl]

I don't think I've seen many games where I thought the roster is untalented, and I think that's why I have begun to sour on Quinn. They are 10th in goals per game for so they have enough talent to score goals and be competitive. The issue is lack of any kind of structure. Given the offensive production and the goalie tandem they have, they probably should be better than this.

I agree. The 4th line is quite brutal, but the top 9 really are not that bad. Maybe the kids you expect some growing pains, but again that alone doesnt put you in the basement. By most metrics our goalies are carrying us. This defense has been an abomination since the 2014 cup finals and I dont know why it cant be fixed. Personnel is part of it, but most of it is self-inflicted. Trouba shouldnt look this bad (I get hes an offensive dman and has been lacking in his career defensively but he shouldnt look like pionk). Also Staal should be benched forever, he has no place on this team now or ever again. He isnt a leader and he isnt a role model, and if he is well then that is part of the problem.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

No chance Quinn is fired in season

Maybe Ruff goes in season but even that I doubt at this point

Just ride it out this year and collect another top 10 draft pick

 

[Doctyl]

Keefe and Dubas have worked together their managerial careers. I don't think that was going to change.

He accepted an interview here, didnt he? Presumably he didnt think Babs was on the out. We did hire Quinn very early given the coaching market wasnt even set yet.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

He accepted an interview here, didnt he? Presumably he didnt think Babs was on the out. We did hire Quinn very early given the coaching market wasnt even set yet.

Based on what I’ve read it seemed pretty likely that Dubas and Keefe had an understanding he’d be taking over sooner rather than later. Babcock being an ass just accelerated it

I also think the Rangers wanted either Montgomery or Quinn, and when Montgomery turned them down they went hard after Quinn

 

[aufheben]

I'm not sure the roster is as untalented as Quinn makes it look. Yes its a transition year, but they shouldnt look this bad.

Team is exactly where I thought they'd be in the standings to be honest. Like to the number. I'm not necessarily a fan of Quinn but I am skeptical that this team would be significantly better with a coaching change (or that there's a rush to change to begin with).

 

[aufheben]

I don't think I've seen many games where I thought the roster is untalented, and I think that's why I have begun to sour on Quinn. They are 10th in goals per game for so they have enough talent to score goals and be competitive. The issue is lack of any kind of structure. Given the offensive production and the goalie tandem they have, they probably should be better than this.

If he gets blamed for the defense he should get credit for the offense. See, people think if they hired a defense-oriented coach that the defense would improve and the offense would stay good. Probably not.

The Rangers knew how much experience he had when they hired him. Firing him this quickly just looks really stupid to me.

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People are talking about the talent on this roster and yet everyone wants to send our 1LD to Neptune.

 

[JC704]

No chance Quinn is fired in season

Maybe Ruff goes in season but even that I doubt at this point

Just ride it out this year and collect another top 10 draft pick

Trouba and Zibanejad are former top 10 picks. Lias was a top 10 pick. They've had in the past two years. Now, we want more?

Not saying I disagree, but it's a loser mentality to keep thinking "getting a Top 10 pick" helps solve the problem. See: Edmonton Oilers

 

[bbny]

If he gets blamed for the defense he should get credit for the offense. See, people think if they hired a defense-oriented coach that the defense would improve and the offense would stay good. Probably not.

Normally I would agree with you and give credit where credit is due if deserved, but our offense revolves around Panarin being a top 10 forward in the NHL and Zibanejad cementing himself as a bonafide #1 center after looking like one last season. We lack scoring depth, yet as I mentioned we are still 10th in goals for per game because of those two players. As things stand right now, I find it more likely that the offensive success of the team is simply due to Panarin and Zibanejad being outstanding players more than some kind of structure that Quinn has implemented.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Honestly, I’ve begun to hate Quinn. I don’t care what penalty Kakko took, there’s no reason to have McKegg out with 2 minutes left down a goal and why did Lundqvist stay in net for an extra full minute of solid zone possession? I just think he’s a clueless NHL coach whose selective with his accountability gig.

How can Quinn possibly keep a straight face when he tells a player he's benched for taking a bad penalty? Regardless of how great the game is that player had (Kakko had a 2 point night). Quinn was assessed a bench minor for calling a referee a f***ing jerk off literally 2 days ago.

I'll be called a Quinn hater for saying this and I'm sure someone will say I don't like Quinn because of the Lias situation but this goes so far beyond that. I expect more from an NHL coach. If AV benched Kakko, this fanbase would explode. But it's Quinn so the excuses are already queued up on social media.

 

[aufheben]

The constant is Ruff. We have a coach known for run-and-gun teams coaching the defense.

 

[Whoot Whoot]

If he gets blamed for the defense he should get credit for the offense. See, people think if they hired a defense-oriented coach that the defense would improve and the offense would stay good. Probably not.

The Rangers knew how much experience he had when they hired him. Firing him this quickly just looks really stupid to me.

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People are talking about the talent on this roster and yet everyone wants to send our 1LD to Neptune.

My main issue is too many penalties being taken, too much ground being yielded on D and too many shots against generally - these kids should be doing the hockey version of "eating their greens" so we can win a cup in 3-4 years from now. They look like they are playing in some structure less system where the vets don't get punished equally.

I expected a little more General Patton from DQ

 

[Doctyl]

The constant is Ruff. We have a coach known for run-and-gun teams coaching the defense.

Well he shouldve never been hired

 

[aufheben]

Normally I would agree with you and give credit where credit is due if deserved, but our offense revolves around Panarin being a top 10 forward in the NHL and Zibanejad cementing himself as a bonafide #1 center after looking like one last season. We lack scoring depth, yet as I mentioned we are still 10th in goals for per game because of those two players. As things stand right now, I find it more likely that the offensive success of the team is simply due to Panarin and Zibanejad being outstanding players more than some kind of structure that Quinn has implemented.

The team doesn’t play safe at all in the O-zone. There’s always 2 forecheckers sent in and the defensemen are constantly pinching and joining the plays.

I’ll be the first to tell you their defensive scheme is stupid as hell but fixing one area often comes at the expense of another.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

The constant is Ruff. We have a coach known for run-and-gun teams coaching the defense.

Defense was an issue before Ruff was here though

 

[JC704]

Patience is wearing thin with him. He'll obviously get the second season, but I'm not liking what I'm seeing.

 

[JHS]

The responsibility to coach this defense is on Ruff. Not Quinn. That’s why every HC has a staff. And that staff has at least 2 members specializing on each side of the puck. Why do you keep neglecting this part of the equation and solely blaming DQ who has a ton of responsibilities as the HC. Just like every good coach he needs to delegate certain responsibilities.

My post history says otherwise. I’ve crushed Lindy for being out of touch and playing an old fashion defensive style( passive d zone coverage, lack of puck pressure, no noticeable neutral zone system) but the buck stops with the head coach. If Quinn told Lindy “this is what I want to see” and made defending a priority, the on ice performance would look a lot different. As of now, it looks like Quinn and the staff are content to say “we have to be better defensively” but are playing a system that is just poor.

 

[JHS]

Two legit head coaches were run out of town for not winning enough playoff games but this unproven nobody is gonna get a long leash because people just like him for whatever reason.

Great point! It’s honestly maddening just how much support this guy gets!

 

[JHS]

I would hope not. There are a number of really bad structural set ups. Quinn acknowledges that the team has a poor defensive structure, but doesn't do anything to fix it.

You line up your D, lefty-righty for a reason. You don't want your Dmen making plays off their back hand in the D-Zone, and it's easier to keep the puck along the boards.

But they have their D switch with their man in the D-Zone. What ends up happening is that you often get the left D (usually Skjei, and you see it more often with Lindgren), playing their off side, with the man being Defended by the right D goes net front or back of the net to spread the D out.

This vacates the slot and if a D pinches... you get a odd-man scenario where the last man back has to defend two passing options, and this leaves a guy open.

The other thing this does is forces the LD to play puck on his back hand to get it out of the zone. It's harder to pass it, harder to lift it... watch and see this with Skjei repeatedly turning it over and the Rangers being caught with guys flying out the zone and the D both caught with the slot open.

To my eyes, I see teams crossing their wings over to make this happen when they carry the puck in.... because they know that the Rangers D will switch with their man, and not switch off their man.

Seeing this over and over again.... makes me think we have idiots running the team.

Please keep posting! This is the kind of in game analysis that is just so lacking on this board. You absolutely nailed a number of critical mistakes. I made a similar post several pages back that highlighted many of the same fundamental issues with the structure being established. Thanks for a great post!

 

[JHS]

Hey @True Blue —- that silent majority I’ve been referencing—- yeah go ahead and read these past 2 pages. They are here!!!!

 

[JHS]

How can Quinn possibly keep a straight face when he tells a player he's benched for taking a bad penalty? Regardless of how great the game is that player had (Kakko had a 2 point night). Quinn was assessed a bench minor for calling a referee a ****ing jerk off literally 2 days ago.

I'll be called a Quinn hater for saying this and I'm sure someone will say I don't like Quinn because of the Lias situation but this goes so far beyond that. I expect more from an NHL coach. If AV benched Kakko, this fanbase would explode. But it's Quinn so the excuses are already queued up on social media.

Yup! That’s why I made the point I did about the ref incident. This is the NHL and the coach needs to see the bigger picture. Again though, Quinn thinks he’s got everything figured out after being a head coach in the league with a team that is quickly falling into oblivion with top end talent.

 

[RGY]

My post history says otherwise. I’ve crushed Lindy for being out of touch and playing an old fashion defensive style( passive d zone coverage, lack of puck pressure, no noticeable neutral zone system) but the buck stops with the head coach. If Quinn told Lindy “this is what I want to see” and made defending a priority, the on ice performance would look a lot different. As of now, it looks like Quinn and the staff are content to say “we have to be better defensively” but are playing a system that is just poor.

What if Ruff is incapable of implementing a different system? What is Quinn to do then? Gorton forced that idiot on him from day 1.

 

[haveandare]

Great point! It’s honestly maddening just how much support this guy gets!

Not that great a point. The team is very obviously in a different phase with different priorities than it was under either of those guys. And I don’t think it was as simple as being fired for not winning enough playoff games with either.

 

[JohnC]

Not like it matters, but he’s not a good coach. We’ll talk about him like Flyers fans spoke about Dave Hakstol before long.

He should be gone after next season once he’s done serving his purpose of instilling a work ethic in the players.

I was a huge skeptic when we hired him to begin with and my opinion of him has not changed (if anything it's somehow gotten worse). The work ethic arguably looks worse and the staff apparently has zero interest in instilling any kind of system at all.

I said this in the expectations thread before the season started and so far it doesn't seem too far off (aside from there being far too many eye stab games in proportion to fun ones.

They will be bad again. Much more fun to watch than last year, but still bad.

People predicting playoffs are out to lunch IMO. The center depth is gross and the defense is being led by a #3 and a #4. Short of a miracle led by Panarin, Zib, and Hank/Georgie they'll be bottom ten again.

Your 2019-20 Expectations

 

[Machinehead]

The team doesn’t play safe at all in the O-zone. There’s always 2 forecheckers sent in and the defensemen are constantly pinching and joining the plays.

I’ll be the first to tell you their defensive scheme is stupid as hell but fixing one area often comes at the expense of another.

They can fix their defensive system and still be aggressive offensively.

Our defense is extremely passive and doesn't fit the offense at all.