Player Discussion David Quinn: Part II

[SnowblindNYR]

They came back because Edmonton literally stopped caring and playing

What a bullshit take. And if the Rangers lost 6-0 you'd say how the Rangers didn't even try. So in your world, there's no way the Rangers could try and play better. The Oilers are just so damn good that it's inconceivable that the lowly Rangers could have had a run off their accord.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Calling a referee "f*ING jerk off" is going to result in a fine

If I'm Dolan I find a way to pay every such fine. The fact that these lowlife incompetent refs are beyond reproach by the league, while coaches and players are held to the highest accountability is disgusting.

 

[NernieBichols]

Last night vs the Oilers is yet another example of how Quinn directly cost this team points. Besides several mistakes( taking a timeout rather than changing goalies when down 3-0 in the first) his own behavior behind the bench, acting like a petulant 3 year old after he did not get some calls and mocking the referee which resulted in the Oilers getting the 6th goal is just pathetic. Quinn just does not get it, this is the NHL, not D1 college. Show the officials some respect and maybe they will start showing him some. Last night he embarrassed himself going after Ian Walsh whose officiated in the league for over 15 years and worked the playoffs several years. Quinn looked like a fool and allowed his bench to fall apart.

No one could have predicted the third period comeback at the time but he’s got to stop with this absurd childlike behavior on the bench!

Are you kidding me? If the coach doesn’t do anything in the situation, the team sinks and accepts it’s fate and stops playing. Quinn knee he had to do that, did you see ruff’s face, he was laughing at Quinn bc Quinn was basically forced into having a meltdown otherwise the team is dead on the bench for half a game.

I don’t know what you and the guy who liked this think that was. But that was half an act my friends, half an act, bc he’s not surprised it happened, but yes in that situation he’s almost forced to blow his top. It’s like managers in baseball.

I will admit Quinn makes me laugh and smile when he does that lose his shit act though

 

[NernieBichols]

It’s called showing your team your in the fight with them. That’s good leaders do, even when it is a little bit an act.

It’s out of Tort’s playbook and Coming off the heels of Tort’s Comments the other night, I knew the Quinn presser was gonna be like that.

Rabbit ears is great though. Telling the refs he allows the other players, coaches, Toronto, the league to get in his ear

Rabbit ears (I’m gonna do that at every game I go to from now on when the refs start managing the game)

Little peter rabbit has an earpiece in his ear
Little peter rabbit has an earpiece in his ear
Little peter rabbit has an earpiece in his ear
And Toronto tells him what to do.

Now that’s chirping boys. Singing it from 3 rows above the glass, clapping. The whole arena will laugh at them

 

[egelband]

Trust me I’m not dying on this hill. I just can’t believe anyone is left defending Quinn at this point— how many more games do the Rangers have to give up 5+ goals... how many more games can a bunch of internet posters highlight multiple critical coaching errors.... how many more games can we watch this team play as soft a a wet tissue... how many more games can we watch multiple players actually regressing.... how many more top 10 picks need to quit the franchise....

You guys who defend this guy are a riot! You must either be perfectly oblivious to what is wrong here( which I don’t believe you @RGY are) content with mediocrity, or have just completely forgotten what an actual NHL coach can do for a team. Either that or you have just such pathetically low standards for this team that this coach just keeps getting a pass. Last year I was not on here killing this coach but when the team goes out and acquires two top end talents, has enough skill to be a top scoring team and a highly above average goaltending duo, that’s enough to start holding guys accountable.

Cue the youngest team in the NHL crowd in 3.....2.....1.....

It is the youngest team. And all coaches ride the refs. And Rick Bowness is like the Rich Kotite of the NHL. And refs don't get to call the game according their egos. You're welcome to continue these arguments but no one is buying.

 

[egelband]

Ok, I'll rephrase

Panarin decided to start playing AND the Oilers stopped trying

They had 5 shots on goal and the Rangers blew them out 3 to 1 in CF in the 3rd period

Like I said last night in the GDT, Panarin is dragging this team kicking and screaming to wins

Teams “trying” and “not trying” is a fallacy. Both teams play hard and when two opposing forces collide one will have the advantage. It’s generally minute variances that determine outcome. Of course effort is part of the equation but it’s not that one team is rolling over and the other is playing hard. One team gets better angles and bounces. Better focus. Better health. More favorable officiating. Sure, goaltending is also a huge factor. I’m sure you know this. It’s never just one team “letting” the other team get the better of them.
I do agree that Panarin is a huge factor though. But like when Henrik was dominant, it doesn’t detract from anything. He’s part of the team.

 

[nyrage]

If teenagers in the juniors can comprehend the system and execute it, NHL players should be able to.

There's only 1 way to find out. It's the pragmatic and logical step. Fire Ruff... After an allotted amount of time, if there's still no structure and lots of confusion, fire Quinn.

To me, Ruff is to coaches what Staal is to defensemen. The game may have passed them by... not meant for this era

This team drives me nuts defensively and it goes way beyond just Quinn. It's been like this for years. It's not just one player either. It's like three quarters of the players.

I got taught how to play defensively when I was a pee-wee. A few years ago, I was asked to coach 8-9 year olds who lost their first game 9-0. I taught them the neutral zone trap in one practice. They won their next game 3-0. Freaking 8-9 year olds can do it.

Every NHL player got taught to play defense. It's up to the coaching staff to make defense a priority and hold the team accountable. It's maddening how lost these players look in the defensive zone and even through the neutral zone. The forwards don't even help the defense on breakouts either. Maybe just go to a simple zone scheme. Something has to be done. It's time for Ruff to go. It might not solve everything or maybe even anything, but you have to start somewhere. I don't think Quinn will be here much longer than next season either.

 

[JHS]

It is the youngest team. And all coaches ride the refs. And Rick Bowness is like the Rich Kotite of the NHL. And refs don't get to call the game according their egos. You're welcome to continue these arguments but no one is buying.

I’m pretty much done with the ref vs coach arguement. It’s just further evidence that so many on this board just don’t get basic elements of how to be and create a successful team. Quinn can continue to lose his mind more often than not and cost this team games and you all can continue to defend him and go after me— in the end, the team continues to lose winablle games directly because of the actions of the head coach. I’m just sorry you all can’t see what’s painfully obvious to me and a few others on here who can actually see what’s directly in front of them.

 

[JHS]

This team drives me nuts defensively and it goes way beyond just Quinn. It's been like this for years. It's not just one player either. It's like three quarters of the players.

I got taught how to play defensively when I was a pee-wee. A few years ago, I was asked to coach 8-9 year olds who lost their first game 9-0. I taught them the neutral zone trap in one practice. They won their next game 3-0. Freaking 8-9 year olds can do it.

Every NHL player got taught to play defense. It's up to the coaching staff to make defense a priority and hold the team accountable. It's maddening how lost these players look in the defensive zone and even through the neutral zone. The forwards don't even help the defense on breakouts either. Maybe just go to a simple zone scheme. Something has to be done. It's time for Ruff to go. It might not solve everything or maybe even anything, but you have to start somewhere. I don't think Quinn will be here much longer than next season either.

Exactly right- and thank you for saying it. Be prepared for an on slaught of excuses, make believe reasons and absurd justifications for why an NHL team repeatedly gives up 40 shots a game and has multiple 5+ goals against games from this board. I’m convinced some of these people actually have 0 clue what an NHL player is capable of doing and just expect because they are young they “must know nothing.”

 

[Chaels Arms]

Nope missing the point. One guy has a star player thrown out of a game and takes it professionally while the other has a third pair defensemen get 4 minutes and can’t control himself and loses control of his bench in the process. The difference is how the coach reacts to adversity or when things don’t go his way. One guy is professional and therefore has stuck around the league for 30 years and is beloved by his players by all accounts. The other is a below 500 NHL coach who can’t get any system in check at all.

Just for those who care about the details of last night, anyone else notice how Lindy Ruff went over to Quinn, said something and then Quinn stopped his embarrassing behavior. I’d venture to say Lindy said something to the effect of better get it under control before you get tossed. Experienced guy gets it.

Interesting you take a jab at Quinn for being a "below 500 NHL coach" while glorifying Rick Bowness whose NHL head coaching record currently sits at a wondrous 123-289.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

If I'm Dolan I find a way to pay every such fine. The fact that these lowlife incompetent refs are beyond reproach by the league, while coaches and players are held to the highest accountability is disgusting.

But he didn't say it after a bad call. It was the right call to give Lindgren 2 minor penalties.

This is the coaching equivalent of punching an opponent after a perfectly legal hit at open ice.

 

[offdacrossbar]

like usual with quinn, i have a problem with how he does things.

he comes off as spoiled and whiny when you show up a ref. and when you do, you pay the price.

the call was unfair- no question. there should have been matching penalties on both and we were getting blown out of the bulding so i get the emotion, but he crossed the line with the ears things and so he was penalized. the fact that they scored so quickly really backfired and quinn was made to look both emotional and immature and not in control.

i find it ironic, was that quinn on the bench or tony deangelo ??

imagine if tony had done that and cost the team.

 

[JHS]

Interesting you take a jab at Quinn for being a "below 500 NHL coach" while glorifying Rick Bowness whose NHL head coaching record currently sits at a wondrous 123-289.

I simply used Bowness as a point of comparison to show how an experienced guy handles adversity behind the bench vs an inexperienced guy. I also listened to NHL radio discussing the Bowness hire in Dalas and they had a former player of his who said he’s pretty much the most beloved coach currently in the NHL. If a guy has managed to stick with various NHL franchises for 30 or so years he must be doing something right. I’d venture to say Quinn is back in the college ranks in less than 5 seasons.

 

[JHS]

like usual with quinn, i have a problem with how he does things.

he comes off as spoiled and whiny when you show up a ref. and when you do, you pay the price.

the call was unfair- no question. there should have been matching penalties on both and we were getting blown out of the bulding so i get the emotion, but he crossed the line with the ears things and so he was penalized. the fact that they scored so quickly really backfired and quinn was made to look both emotional and immature and not in control.

i find it ironic, was that quinn on the bench or tony deangelo ??

imagine if tony had done that and cost the team.

I appreciate this and it’s exactly what I’ve argued for the past few pages. There are ways to handle situations and then there is what Quinn did. Thanks for showing that you get it!

 

[NernieBichols]

But he didn't say it after a bad call. It was the right call to give Lindgren 2 minor penalties.

This is the coaching equivalent of punching an opponent after a perfectly legal hit at open ice.

Maybe in Europe.
And that’s not slight or diss.

 

[True Blue]

They came back because Edmonton literally stopped caring and playing

In which case you can pretty much discount every single come back like that. Ever. In any sport.

 

[True Blue]

Trust me I’m not dying on this hill. I just can’t believe anyone is left defending Quinn at this point

Translation: I am so furious the the rest of you do not see things my way. How dare you? Where is my silent majority??

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

In which case you can pretty much discount every single come back like that. Ever. In any sport.

And isn't odd that the team that was down 6-0 was the team that didn't "stop caring and playing"?

 

[True Blue]

And isn't odd that the team that was down 6-0 was the team that didn't "stop caring and playing"?

Now if only Trotz had this roster, not only would they have been a much better team (he could get youngsters to play like seasoned vets) but they would have finished the come back.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Now if only Trotz had this roster, not only would they have been a much better team (he could get youngsters to play like seasoned vets) but they would have finished the come back.

The most popular coach in Ranger history is always the same: the next coach.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

In which case you can pretty much discount every single come back like that. Ever. In any sport.

I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion based on what I posted for this single game

But okay sure

People sure are getting triggered for me saying the Oilers effort level went way down after they were leading 6-0 lol

 

[True Blue]

I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion based on what I posted for this single gamel

You claimed that the Oilers stopped playing. That is an opinion. The same exact opinion that can be shared any time a team makes a large comeback.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

You claimed that the Oilers stopped playing. That is an opinion. The same exact opinion that can be shared any time a team makes a large comeback.

Seems to me you're making that determination for me

So clearly it must be true

 

[JohnC]

The most popular coach in Ranger history is always the same: the next coach.

Meh. Let's not pretend this team has had a good coach since somewhere around 2014.

 

[effen]

watching the postgame presser on MSG you can see what the brass saw in him. Straight shooting, looking for positives but not ridiculously so, exceptionally clear and thoughtful on his communication. I don't know what the disconnect is and it's frankly kinda baffling.