Confirmed with Link: David Quinn Dismissed

[Machinehead]

I'm casting a weak vote for Gallant because in case things don't work out, I'm curious to see what @Machinehead posts.

I'll probably keep posting the same dope ass takes I've always posted because I never said Quinn was holding this team back from being good.

 

[leetch99]

Of the names we are hearing, I guess Gallant is my preference.

None of them are really that appealing and I'm hoping they can pull someone good out of a hat.

But if it's just these names then I guess Gallant. And so what if he's just a 2-3 year stopgap?

Maybe better long term names available by then.

That's the way I see it as well . We are likely 3 years away from being fully constructed and legit contenders considering our average age . I think Gallant can do well with the kids . Can he get them all the way ? Who knows....as we are certainly a long ways from being a contender considering our current on ice product this season . Do we have 7 ? NHL like players to step in that can take jobs away from our current roster holders and yet still be fitted into long term cap planning ? The road to success is never easy and without obstacles . I don't think two or 3 seasons of Gallant behind the bench will hurt us and some of you just might have a different opinion on him when he has had a chance to work along side Drury .

 

[chosen]

That's the way I see it as well . We are likely 3 years away from being fully constructed and legit contenders considering our average age . I think Gallant can do well with the kids . Can he get them all the way ? Who knows....as we are certainly a long ways from being a contender considering our current on ice product this season . Do we have 7 ? NHL like players to step in that can take jobs away from our current roster holders and yet still be fitted into long term cap planning ? The road to success is never easy and without obstacles . I don't think two or 3 seasons of Gallant behind the bench will hurt us and some of you just might have a different opinion on him when he has had a chance to work along side Drury .

I think they're absolutely a legit contender the season after next.

 

[Edge]

I think they're absolutely a legit contender the season after next.

That's definitely what I have in my head as well.

This was the transition year. Next year was the climb and next step. The year after is when things should be in a really good place.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Carp is saying in his latest that Sather was more involved in the events that got JD/Gorton/Quinn fired than the team is letting on

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

That's definitely what I have in my head as well.

This was the transition year. Next year was the climb and next step. The year after is when things should be in a really good place.

I also think this team was on that trajectory before the pause last season and this season being so irregular.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Carp is saying in his latest that Sather was more involved in the events that got JD/Gorton/Quinn fired than the team is letting on

I don't find that surprising.

 

[will1066]

I'll probably keep posting the same dope ass takes I've always posted because I never said Quinn was holding this team back from being good.

I don't understand half your posts anyway, just the Laf memes in GDTs make sense to me and I laugh at them. I'm just a simple caveman. I don't understand your complex, modern analytics and on-ice systems. But I do know one thing: David Quinn is a bad hockey coach who deserved to get the maximum penalty.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Torts?

Like him or not, his teams buy in to what he wants until they get tired of him.

What about his stint in Vancouver?

 

[FireGerardGallant]

I don't understand half your posts anyway, just the Laf memes in GDTs make sense to me and I laugh at them. I'm just a simple caveman. I don't understand your complex, modern analytics and on-ice systems. But I do know one thing: David Quinn is a bad hockey coach who deserved to get the maximum penalty.

 

[Levitate]

I don't find that surprising.

Big same and also frustrating. He was supposed to be stepping aside for Gorton and keeps meddling.

 

[will1066]

 

[leetch99]

I think they're absolutely a legit contender the season after next.

LOL...I'd like to think that as well but I also know a lot has to happen to achieve it .....a lot of stars have to align for that to happen . This year we had it all go haywire from the get go . Possibly without the injuries to Trouba/Chytil and the DeAngelo/Panarin events and both our goalies playing terrible and or hurt .....and whatever was ailing Mika , we would have won a handful more games earlier on and been in a playoff race and possibly then Gorton might have done a few tweaks to adjust our grit level......but that never happened and we will never know . Such is life on an internet message board where everybody has the answers . Have faith....we will be better .

 

[leetch99]

LOL

What about his stint in Vancouver?

LOL...we would have had a free for all in the hall if the DeAngelo saga had taken place in the hallway with Torts here ....that was a great clip from the Vancouver and Calgary game a few years ago.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

LOL

LOL...we would have had a free for all in the hall if the DeAngelo saga had taken place in the hallway with Torts here ....that was a great clip from the Vancouver and Calgary game a few years ago.

Wasn't Hartley the other coach too?

 

[LORDE]

Quinn's thumbprint seems to be an overprotective parent who kept his kids on the straight and narrow path, spoonfeeding them hockey's version of life's lessons. One could say that he stifled their growth. One could also say, because of what he did, the kids are developing slowly but CORRECTLY. Player development isn't an exact science, and there is no formal definition next to "developmental coach." If it were an exact, formulaic science, we'd have 31 great and greater teams and no bad ones.

That's fair enough... time would tell on that I suppose. Once the smoke has cleared and we hear what the Kakko's and Lafreniere's say a loud it will also tell us more.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

atleast itll be an actual good coach doing it

 

[Look Up]

I don't know what happened in Vegas tbh. That situation has always been a little weird to me.

Someone mentioned that Gallant got fired at both of his last two spots because he failed to embrace analytics. I don't think thats true (and if he did, what ever he is using has worked because his teams have always killed it analytically) but I know he butted heads with the management in Florida, which isn't surprising considering that they were a certified dumpsterf*** during his time there.

What do I do know is this, his teams play exactly how most of us want the Rangers to play. He did a good job with the young players in Florida too. Of the available coaches, he's easily at the top of my wish list.

Here's some background on what led to Florida firing Gallant, from Doug Maclean on Real Kyper at Noon today. Analytics guy and minority owner would text Gallant during intermissions from the press box on what lines to play. Clearly Gallant did not like, which ultimately led to them butting heads and him getting fired by ownership.

 

[leetch99]

Wasn't Hartley the other coach too?

I can't remember....but it was great entertainment for sure .

 

[Machinehead]

I think the reason we always fight about coaches is that you have people who look at how many games the team is winning and you have people with certain other expectations.

I've said it before: this roster finishing 5th in this division isn't a bad result at all. And yes, wins are obviously important. But I think there's more to analyzing a team's overall outlook, especially from a team building standpoint, which is what we're all doing here.

It's been said that this team needs more of a direction or a clear identity. I agree with @Edge when he says that's a work in progress, but my honest assessment is that we got further from that in 20-21. I feel we got more disengagement from the vets, more questions about what the roster is moving forward, looked worse in some of those unfavorable matchups, and had fewer moments where we looked organized as opposed to last year.

Also, last year we got better as we went along and I feel we got worse the second half this year. Again, the wins and losses might not reflect that, but I think we went from a good team that just wasn't finishing to a team that was feasting on Buffalo, NJ, and Philly (which is fine) but looked worse against the quality sides. You could attribute least year's second half to Zibanejad but Zibanejad got hot on the scoreboard both years.

Quinn's dismissal is not an inherent suggestion that a better coach finishes higher than 5th. But maybe Kakko scores more, maybe Zibanejad is less of a zombie, maybe we a score a goal or two in tight games, or maybe we have more boxes checked off on the 2023 fantasy roster. All hypotheticals but this is what the front office will wonder about.

Judging a coach by W-L is as dangerous as doing it with a goalie or a pitcher.

I'm not expecting our next coach to put us in next year's playoffs. I'm expecting our next coach to start building towards an identity, bring fresh standards of what's expected (because Quinn let vets get away with murder), and maybe give Lafreniere a look on the powerplay when LH half-wall is a gaping hole, instead of applying this umbrella "kids=tough shit" mentality.

 

[will1066]

That's fair enough... time would tell on that I suppose. Once the smoke has cleared and we hear what the Kakko's and Lafreniere's say a loud it will also tell us more.

I wasn't directing my post at you, FWIW. Just felt your post was a good segue into mine.

 

[Machinehead]

I don't understand half your posts anyway, just the Laf memes in GDTs make sense to me and I laugh at them. I'm just a simple caveman. I don't understand your complex, modern analytics and on-ice systems. But I do know one thing: David Quinn is a bad hockey coach who deserved to get the maximum penalty.

The analytics mindset is simple, really. We all know what goals and assists are. Then there's defense and "grit/intangibles/jam" whatever word you want. I believe those things can be measured and I believe David Quinn is the poster boy for talking about hard work without producing it in any measurable way.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Here's some background on what led to Florida firing Gallant, from Doug Maclean on Real Kyper at Noon today. Analytics guy and minority owner would text Gallant during intermissions from the press box on what lines to play. Clearly Gallant did not like, which ultimately led to them butting heads and him getting fired by ownership.

Was probably the right decision...Florida went in to a free fall after he left, so one can assume the next guy started listening to the nerd upstairs.

 

[chosen]

LOL...I'd like to think that as well but I also know a lot has to happen to achieve it .....a lot of stars have to align for that to happen . This year we had it all go haywire from the get go . Possibly without the injuries to Trouba/Chytil and the DeAngelo/Panarin events and both our goalies playing terrible and or hurt .....and whatever was ailing Mika , we would have won a handful more games earlier on and been in a playoff race and possibly then Gorton might have done a few tweaks to adjust our grit level......but that never happened and we will never know . Such is life on an internet message board where everybody has the answers . Have faith....we will be better .

Not sure what's funny.

If they're not a contender the season after next the rebuild has failed.

This is the most talented young Rangers team since the early 70's.

 

[Kravtsov420]

I don't understand half your posts anyway, just the Laf memes in GDTs make sense to me and I laugh at them. I'm just a simple caveman. I don't understand your complex, modern analytics and on-ice systems. But I do know one thing: David Quinn is a bad hockey coach who deserved to get the maximum penalty.

You damn kids with your hoola-hoops and Pac-Man video games!